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Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 13 2008,12:43    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 13 2008,18:26) Turn off those irony meters:   Quote Dembski:  Neither my wife nor I regret going. It was an education. Our kids are resilient. But the ride home raised a question. We found ourselves avoiding talking about the event until the children fell asleep. Then, as they drifted off in the early morning, we talked in hushed tones about how easily religion can be abused, in this case to exploit our family. What do we tell our children? I'm still working on that one. Or like how some people want to undermine the entire foundations of science education by pushing "Goddidit" in lieu of the scientific method?  Yeah Bill, we're still working on that one too.  :angry: But you must know how to conjugate the verb "To abuse religion"? I/we never abuse religion. You are abusing my religion. He/she/it/they are vile abusers of religion and heretics that deserve nothing but persecution and condemnation. My irony meters have been off and buried in a bunker since FTK pitched up claiming we're close minded and biased.... Louis -------------- Bye.

Chayanov Posts: 289 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 13 2008,13:21    Quote (Louis @ July 13 2008,12:43) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 13 2008,18:26) Turn off those irony meters:     Quote Dembski:  Neither my wife nor I regret going. It was an education. Our kids are resilient. But the ride home raised a question. We found ourselves avoiding talking about the event until the children fell asleep. Then, as they drifted off in the early morning, we talked in hushed tones about how easily religion can be abused, in this case to exploit our family. What do we tell our children? I'm still working on that one. Or like how some people want to undermine the entire foundations of science education by pushing "Goddidit" in lieu of the scientific method?  Yeah Bill, we're still working on that one too.  :angry: But you must know how to conjugate the verb "To abuse religion"? I/we never abuse religion. You are abusing my religion. He/she/it/they are vile abusers of religion and heretics that deserve nothing but persecution and condemnation. My irony meters have been off and buried in a bunker since FTK pitched up claiming we're close minded and biased.... Louis Exactly. In Dr. Dr. D's mind, he's truly doing God's work. It's the faith healer who's abusing religion and making it look bad. Nothing will ever convince him otherwise. -------------- Help! Marxist literary critics are following me!

dvunkannon Posts: 1377 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 13 2008,14:56    Can we invite DDrr.. Dembski, Dave and Denise to somekind of festschrift for the 1000th page of this thread? If it wasn't for them and their quick trigger finger on the banninator, their tolerance of cognitive dissonance, and atrociously bad writing, this thread would not exist, and the world would be a much less amusing place. Just putting the idea out there... -------------- I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 13 2008,19:45    Quote (dvunkannon @ July 13 2008,14:56) Can we invite DDrr.. Dembski, Dave and Denise to somekind of festschrift for the 1000th page of this thread? If it wasn't for them and their quick trigger finger on the banninator, their tolerance of cognitive dissonance, and atrociously bad writing, this thread would not exist, and the world would be a much less amusing place. Just putting the idea out there... I like your idea, BUT... If Dr. Dr. D, DaveScott and Dense-ee O'Leary were they type to post on a board like this one, they wouldn't be the type of people that they are - and then where would we be? QED. But it would be funny as hell! We could give out awards and stuff.. Most Baninations For No Reason - DaveScot Most Banninations For Disagreeing with Banninator- DaveScot Most Published Photo Of A Sweater - EVAR - Dr. Dr. D Most convictions for Killing The King's English - Densye O'Leary Most Use Of Biblical Quotes in defense of a "Scien^tific Theory" - BornAgain77 DodgeBall Winner - FTK - for dodging everyone's actual questions. Miss Gullibility - FTK for her acceptance of Walt Brown's half-baked theory Best Flounce Out - FTK Best Flounce Back - FTK (Looks like we have a BIG winner right here!) Please feel free to add your own! Worth a thread as we approach The Big 1,000? -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Chayanov Posts: 289 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 13 2008,19:50    Most quotemines from "Origin of Species" -- Sal Cordova -------------- Help! Marxist literary critics are following me!

Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: July 13 2008,19:57    Most dishonest quotemines, period. - Sal Cordova

EyeNoU Posts: 115 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 13 2008,20:00    Most obsessed with homosexuality....Sal Cordova

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 13 2008,20:02    OT: any UDers who are reading and "don't have an a priori commitment to naturalism": http://www.ghosttrackers.tv/ Is that an ID website? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 13 2008,23:13    Quote (EyeNoU @ July 13 2008,21:00) Most obsessed with homosexuality....Sal Cordova He can put that right next to his Asshole of the Year trophy from earlier this year, and his Pussy of the Year trophy from the year before. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2008,03:14    Quote (dvunkannon @ July 13 2008,15:56) Can we invite DDrr.. Dembski, Dave and Denise to somekind of festschrift for the 1000th page of this thread? If it wasn't for them and their quick trigger finger on the banninator, their tolerance of cognitive dissonance, and atrociously bad writing, this thread would not exist, and the world would be a much less amusing place. Just putting the idea out there... Aside from being the kind of wonderful guy who wishes fatal diseases on us, calls himself a psycopath, and fantasizes about beating evolutionists, Dave makes threats about hacking the board here, and so he's on the shit list. Dembski, I don't know if Dembski's banned or not. I don't think he is. If someone can confirm that he's not, maybe invite him to say a few words at the commencement for page 1000. Since lots of people will have lots to say in response, though, might be better to invite him to the inauguration of Official Uncommonly Dense Discussion Thread 2 (working title).

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2008,03:32    dvunkannon: "Can we invite DDrr.. Dembski, Dave and Denise to somekind of festschrift for the 1000th page of this thread?" Could this be some sort of a "Dawning of a New Age" moment?  ATBC-OUDDT nears its thousandth page and Mike Gene calls it a day and retires from the scene? Now if Salvador turns up in the arms of a really big guy with tatoos named "Steve" ...

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2008,03:40    Speaking of Dembski and the faith healer, there's one thing that has always bothered me about religion.  I first noticed it as a child when I saw a picture of a religious procession somewhere in Europe, Italy I think.   It was a group of village people in their church clothes walking through the streets carrying a platform with the Virgin Mary on it - a 3d figure of her sitting on a chair. In the procession were several priests, in their fanciest robes, and half of them were wearing big black Buddy Holly style glasses. And I remember thinking then, "Wait, you're worshipping the greatest power in the universe, a Being that you claim is both all-powerful and all-knowing, a Being you're counting on to heal you while you're on earth and take you away to paradise when you die and you're praying and processing and doing every thing you can think of to make him like you and help you - and he can't even cure your nearsightedness?? Something wrong here.

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2008,08:50    Quote (CeilingCat @ July 14 2008,03:40) Speaking of Dembski and the faith healer, there's one thing that has always bothered me about religion.  I first noticed it as a child when I saw a picture of a religious procession somewhere in Europe, Italy I think.   It was a group of village people in their church clothes walking through the streets carrying a platform with the Virgin Mary on it - a 3d figure of her sitting on a chair. In the procession were several priests, in their fanciest robes, and half of them were wearing big black Buddy Holly style glasses. And I remember thinking then, "Wait, you're worshipping the greatest power in the universe, a Being that you claim is both all-powerful and all-knowing, a Being you're counting on to heal you while you're on earth and take you away to paradise when you die and you're praying and processing and doing every thing you can think of to make him like you and help you - and he can't even cure your nearsightedness?? Something wrong here. Yeah - I think that was right before Mary created the Miracle That Is Lasik Eye-surgery. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

American Saddlebred Posts: 111 Joined: May 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2008,10:04    Quote (stevestory @ July 14 2008,03:14) I don't know if Dembski's banned or not. I don't think he is. If someone can confirm that he's not, maybe invite him to say a few words at the commencement for page 1000. I do recall him posting on several occasions here (a few years ago).  Never to the UCD thread though AFAIK.  I wish I could remember his handle.  He wasn't GhostOfPaley was he?

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2008,10:21    Quote (American Saddlebred @ July 14 2008,16:04) Quote (stevestory @ July 14 2008,03:14) I don't know if Dembski's banned or not. I don't think he is. If someone can confirm that he's not, maybe invite him to say a few words at the commencement for page 1000. I do recall him posting on several occasions here (a few years ago).  Never to the UCD thread though AFAIK.  I wish I could remember his handle.  He wasn't GhostOfPaley was he? Egads I hope not! I'd like to be able to credit Dembski with more intellectual capability than that troll. There is a clear hierarchy of tard there, I would hope that someone with two PhDs was not some obtuse moron with a fixation on the tu quoque fallacy. Perhaps I'm too much of an optimist. ;-) Louis -------------- Bye.

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2008,12:32    Quote (Louis @ July 14 2008,11:21) Quote (American Saddlebred @ July 14 2008,16:04) Quote (stevestory @ July 14 2008,03:14) I don't know if Dembski's banned or not. I don't think he is. If someone can confirm that he's not, maybe invite him to say a few words at the commencement for page 1000. I do recall him posting on several occasions here (a few years ago).  Never to the UCD thread though AFAIK.  I wish I could remember his handle.  He wasn't GhostOfPaley was he? Egads I hope not! I'd like to be able to credit Dembski with more intellectual capability than that troll. There is a clear hierarchy of tard there, I would hope that someone with two PhDs was not some obtuse moron with a fixation on the tu quoque fallacy. Perhaps I'm too much of an optimist. ;-) Louis Seems less like a hierarchy and more like a taxonomic bush to me. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2008,12:35    Quote (Lou FCD @ July 14 2008,18:32) Quote (Louis @ July 14 2008,11:21) Quote (American Saddlebred @ July 14 2008,16:04)   Quote (stevestory @ July 14 2008,03:14) I don't know if Dembski's banned or not. I don't think he is. If someone can confirm that he's not, maybe invite him to say a few words at the commencement for page 1000. I do recall him posting on several occasions here (a few years ago).  Never to the UCD thread though AFAIK.  I wish I could remember his handle.  He wasn't GhostOfPaley was he? Egads I hope not! I'd like to be able to credit Dembski with more intellectual capability than that troll. There is a clear hierarchy of tard there, I would hope that someone with two PhDs was not some obtuse moron with a fixation on the tu quoque fallacy. Perhaps I'm too much of an optimist. ;-) Louis Seems less like a hierarchy and more like a taxonomic bush to me. Sorry, there would be an amusing post here but I had to go and write out "I will not make obvious bush jokes" one hundred times on my office whiteboard. Frankly, I think everyone is grateful. Or should be!!!one11!! {copying Arden's trademarked angry emote. Mimicry being the sincerest form of flattery and all} Louis -------------- Bye.

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2008,12:40    Quote BarryA: Faith and Reason: Everyone Has Faith. Once again, the Wheel of Life completes a turn. And once again, the argument begins anew. With the mind clear of all obstacles, all remembrances washed away, it's as if these arguments are being made for the first time. Quote BarryA: Everyone Has Faith. Let's start with the false dichotomy. In BarryA's world, there are theists and materialists. But some people think the world is completely meaningless, or gibberish, or unending irony, or an illusion, or simply don't care. Quote BarryA: Materialists have faith just like the rest of us. Reaffirming the false dichotomy. Quote BarryA: One standard of proof is an “apodictic proof.” A is greater than B and B is greater than C. Therefore, A is greater than C. That's not a proof. That's the transitive axiom of inequality. In other words, it's an assumption. (Transitivity isn't applicable to all comparisons.          Eyes over blond.          Blond over curves.          Curves over eyes.) Quote BarryA: The self-created universe is a logical absurdity. No more logically absurd than particles appearing and disappearing in the quantum vacuum. Quote BarryA: Therefore, there must have been an uncaused first cause. The conclusion follows inexorably from perfectly reasonable premises. The Cosmological Argument was quite refreshing a few millennia ago. -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2008,12:48    No Zach, if you create one big meta-explanation, that takes less faith because you don't have to bother tying anything together after the fact. By making it completely divorced from reality, you also don't have to waste your time looking for it. The 'a priori commitment to materialism' charge is always funny. Try living your life any other way - it would either be comedic or tragic. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2008,12:52    Quote (American Saddlebred @ July 14 2008,10:04) Quote (stevestory @ July 14 2008,03:14) I don't know if Dembski's banned or not. I don't think he is. If someone can confirm that he's not, maybe invite him to say a few words at the commencement for page 1000. I do recall him posting on several occasions here (a few years ago).  Never to the UCD thread though AFAIK.  I wish I could remember his handle.  He wasn't GhostOfPaley was he? Well, I did a little research, and can not find any member names listed as: Dembski W.A. Dembski Super-Sweater Man Baylor Boy Dr. Dr. Pompous Stick Up The Buttocks Mr. ID is NOT Religion, Cuz I Said So Although there IS a "WAD of ID!" Bottom line - Yeah, but I also seem to recall seeing Dembski post here a couple of years ago... maybe a "Guest Poster" handle as he responded to Wes? I am sure he would not bother to respond to anyone without at least 1 PhD. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2008,13:34    Here's a remarkable peek under the tinfoil of a typical UDer, from the comments on Dembski's faith-healing post. Quote It reminds me of the aftermath of World War II. The forces of evil did not defeat us militarily, so they seduced us to sin in the Sixties. Hippies = Nazis.  Who knew? -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2008,13:38    Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 14 2008,19:34) Here's a remarkable peek under the tinfoil of a typical UDer, from the comments on Dembski's faith-healing post.   Quote It reminds me of the aftermath of World War II. The forces of evil did not defeat us militarily, so they seduced us to sin in the Sixties. Hippies = Nazis.  Who knew? "Heyyyy man, pass the doobage, I'm bummed from gassing Jews. Peace and Love." Now there's a juxtaposition I never thought would enter my mind. Nazi hippies. What a worrying piece of psychologically dissonant trauma. I'm off to have a lie down in a darkened room. Louis -------------- Bye.

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2008,13:40    Quote (Louis @ July 14 2008,13:38) Now there's a juxtaposition I never thought would enter my mind. Nazi hippies. What a worrying piece of psychologically dissonant trauma. I'm off to have a lie down in a darkened room. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2008,13:47    Quote (carlsonjok @ July 14 2008,19:40) Quote (Louis @ July 14 2008,13:38) Now there's a juxtaposition I never thought would enter my mind. Nazi hippies. What a worrying piece of psychologically dissonant trauma. I'm off to have a lie down in a darkened room. Good point, well made, however, I hardly think he is the best example of a non-dissonant completely sane individual.... ;-) Louis -------------- Bye.

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2008,15:11    Quote DaveScot: Any more problems with the physics involved in how the water cycle transports heat from the surface to an altitude above much of the greenhouse blanket? Water vapor is an important greenhouse gas. One of the primary mechanisms of global warming is that when CO2 causes the Earth to heat, it then causes increasing evaporation, which causes more heating. There are a lot of unanswered questions with regards to cloud formation (esp. cirrus), but qualitative handwaving, no matter how confident the waver, won't answer these questions. -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2008,16:39    Not found worthy to post at UcD, I just wonder here: Is Dave saying that 1. As the planet gets hotter, it will evaporate more water. 2. More water will transport more heat away from the planet to be radiated into space. 3. Because of 1) and 2) the planet will get colder, problem solved? -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2008,16:51    Off Topic / mushy spamfest. Be warned: much like an email granny would forward to you. FAO Davescot, because I know you are an animal lover: Christian the lion enjoy. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

dvunkannon Posts: 1377 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2008,16:55    How nice that Denyse should take this moment to look back on seven (7!!1!) years of ID progress with these fond memories: - Covering the acceptance of the Nobel Prize by DDrr.. William Dembski. - Coverage of the death of Darwinism at the time predicted by the good DDrr.. oh, sorry, never mind. But equally impressive: - ID now means exactly what we say it means. Most of the time. In Google hits. - Helping create the NCSE. - ID has successfuly captured the mindshare of legacy media as a shorthand for crank. Accomplishments, in sum, that no Nobel Prize can equal. -------------- I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2008,16:58    Legacy media.. black helicopters, Gmen, S.P.E.C.T.R.E... -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2008,19:39    Quote Most Published Photo Of A Sweater - EVAR - Dr. Dr. D I must confess, I have developed sweater lust.  I want one, I want PZ to have one, I want many people to wear one to a science gathering. -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

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