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KCdgw Posts: 376 Joined: Sep. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2010,12:35    Quote (blipey @ Mar. 02 2010,12:19) Well, Louis.  I can get pooch to increase or decrease his use of the asshole stratagem, but have never gotten him to expand his area of operation.  It seems you can't teach an old dog new tricks after all. But you can sure get him to drool on cue like a sonofabitch. -------------- Those who know the truth are not equal to those who love it-- Confucius

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2010,12:53    Quote (blipey @ Mar. 02 2010,17:19) Well, Louis.  I can get pooch to increase or decrease his use of the asshole stratagem, but have never gotten him to expand his area of operation.  It seems you can't teach an old dog new tricks after all. Maybe if we moved to testicle cuffs and an electric cattle prod? Not for him you understand, I have guests this weekend. Sorry I just got distracted. I'd settle for teaching the pooch not to make poopies on the carpet. Maybe you should team up Olegt and meet Joe and ID Guy in a car park, at least you and Olegt are different people, not just voices in a doggy's confused, crack addled brain. Louis -------------- Bye.

dnmlthr Posts: 565 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2010,13:12    How can you reach something approximating adulthood without knowing about Pavlov? I'm amazed and appalled. Hope you're feeling honoured Joe Gangsta, I delurked just for you darling. Ding ding ding. -------------- Guess what? I don't give a flying f*ck how "science works" - Ftk

slpage Posts: 349 Joined: June 2004 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2010,14:24    Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 25 2010,20:14) Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 25 2010,20:06) Tell me, Joe.  Have you ever done a calculation?   He sure has!  Behold! So, an aardvark only 202 characters? Didn't Berlinski count 50,000 character differences between cows and whales?

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2010,14:48    Quote (Louis @ Mar. 02 2010,12:53) {snip}  at least you and Olegt are different people... are we? p.s.  apologies to Olegt, who is much smarter than the other half of me... -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2010,14:53    Quote (blipey @ Mar. 02 2010,19:48) Quote (Louis @ Mar. 02 2010,12:53) {snip}  at least you and Olegt are different people... are we? p.s.  apologies to Olegt, who is much smarter than the other half of me... Ahhhh well this *is* the interwebs and everyone on it is really just one of the many personalities of a 400lb trucker from Arkansas called Bubba. Even the ladies..... Especially the ladies. Louis P.S. I've just discovered, via Pharyngula, something called ChatRoulette. All I'll say is never again. Never, ever again. -------------- Bye.

digitus impudicus Posts: 62 Joined: Feb. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2010,23:21    Joe? Sweety? Whatever happened to our GN/GNX discussion? Is it parked in a tree?

digitus impudicus Posts: 62 Joined: Feb. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2010,23:23    <Tammy Fay Bakker voice> Jim? Jim? The kids were only joking honey. Jim? <close Tammy Fay Bakker voice> (look up Sam Kinnison for those unfamiliar)

JonF Posts: 634 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2010,15:22    Quote (Louis @ Mar. 02 2010,15:53) P.S. I've just discovered, via Pharyngula, something called ChatRoulette. All I'll say is never again. Never, ever again. The Daily Show did a great skit on ChatRoulette: http://tinyurl.com/y9bdkjk.  See if you can identify the headshot behind Keith Olbermann.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,08:29    Quote (digitus impudicus @ Mar. 05 2010,23:21) Joe? Sweety? Whatever happened to our GN/GNX discussion? Is it parked in a tree? I don't have a GNX. And why would I want to discuss my GN with you? Someone asshead said I drive a Dodge. I just corrected that nonsense. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,08:31    Quote (slpage @ Mar. 02 2010,14:24) Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 25 2010,20:14) Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 25 2010,20:06) Tell me, Joe.  Have you ever done a calculation?   He sure has!  Behold! So, an aardvark only 202 characters? Didn't Berlinski count 50,000 character differences between cows and whales? Dr Page proves he is an imbecile. The definition of an aarvark only has that many characters. Are you that stupid that you can't even understand what I post? Do you realize that 13 year olds understand what you cannot? -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Richard Simons Posts: 425 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,08:39    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2010,08:31) Quote (slpage @ Mar. 02 2010,14:24)   Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 25 2010,20:14)   Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 25 2010,20:06) Tell me, Joe.  Have you ever done a calculation?   He sure has!  Behold! So, an aardvark only 202 characters? Didn't Berlinski count 50,000 character differences between cows and whales? Dr Page proves he is an imbecile. The definition of an aarvark only has that many characters. Are you that stupid that you can't even understand what I post? Do you realize that 13 year olds understand what you cannot? So what was your point in bringing up a definition of an aardvark ? How does this relate to the amount of 'specified complex information' in an organism? -------------- All sweeping statements are wrong.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,08:51    Quote (Richard Simons @ Mar. 11 2010,08:39) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2010,08:31)   Quote (slpage @ Mar. 02 2010,14:24)   Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 25 2010,20:14)     Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 25 2010,20:06) Tell me, Joe.  Have you ever done a calculation?   He sure has!  Behold! So, an aardvark only 202 characters? Didn't Berlinski count 50,000 character differences between cows and whales? Dr Page proves he is an imbecile. The definition of an aarvark only has that many characters. Are you that stupid that you can't even understand what I post? Do you realize that 13 year olds understand what you cannot? So what was your point in bringing up a definition of an aardvark ? How does this relate to the amount of 'specified complex information' in an organism? Well Richard perhaps you should read that blog entry. But most likely that won't help because you are an evotard... So I will spoon-feed you- In the post "Measuring Information/ specified complexity" I used the definition of an aarvark as an example of how to measure specified information to see if complex specified information is present. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,09:34    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2010,08:51) In the post "Measuring Information/ specified complexity" I used the definition of an aarvark as an example of how to measure specified information to see if complex specified information is present. And what was the value you determined for the amount of information in a Aardvark? And is that more or less then the information in a bacterial flagellum? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,09:37    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 11 2010,09:34) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2010,08:51) In the post "Measuring Information/ specified complexity" I used the definition of an aarvark as an example of how to measure specified information to see if complex specified information is present. And what was the value you determined for the amount of information in a Aardvark? And is that more or less then the information in a bacterial flagellum? Do you really think your ignorance helps your case? Even if ID is bunk you still couldn't support your position. I take that bothers you. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,09:39    So Joe, About this debate. I don't think that a person who displays the level of intelligence that you typically display here could have $10,000 to put up in the first place. Unless you've been saving up the money that people throw at you to make you go away that is, in which case it's quite possible. Put the money in escrow and perhaps you'll convince me that you have it in the first place and then we can get this debate kicked off. http://www.iescrow.com/ -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,09:44    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 11 2010,09:39) So Joe, About this debate. I don't think that a person who displays the level of intelligence that you typically display here could have $10,000 to put up in the first place. Unless you've been saving up the money that people throw at you to make you go away that is, in which case it's quite possible. Put the money in escrow and perhaps you'll convince me that you have it in the first place and then we can get this debate kicked off. http://www.iescrow.com/ Nice projection you ignorant dolt. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,09:51    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2010,09:37)   Do you really think your ignorance helps your case? Ignorance of what? Your "argument"? Seems like the entire biological community is doing just fine without your "input". Interesting how you pretend I did not ask a question. I know that you have problems supporting your position, but if you could tell me which has more information (and how much more), an Aardvark or bacterial flagellum, that would go a long way to proving your case that ID deals in "information" and that you can quantify it.     Quote Even if ID is bunk you still couldn't support your position. And that's why "my position" is the default one and your position is doing so well in the courts, in schools, in journals. I mean, look at the support that ID has for it's position http://www.iscid.org/ A journal that has not published in 5 years.   Quote I take that bothers you. It seems to bother you, in fact it seems to bother you so much that you are here. Why not go to UD or TT and shout into the echo chamber? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,09:52    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2010,09:44) Nice projection you ignorant dolt. The plural of insults is not "data" you know. Tell me one thing, how do you keep a keyboard working with the amount of drool you must produce? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,09:55    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 11 2010,09:51) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2010,09:37)   Do you really think your ignorance helps your case? Ignorance of what? Your "argument"? Seems like the entire biological community is doing just fine without your "input". Interesting how you pretend I did not ask a question. I know that you have problems supporting your position, but if you could tell me which has more information (and how much more), an Aardvark or bacterial flagellum, that would go a long way to proving your case that ID deals in "information" and that you can quantify it.     Quote Even if ID is bunk you still couldn't support your position. And that's why "my position" is the default one and your position is doing so well in the courts, in schools, in journals. I mean, look at the support that ID has for it's position http://www.iscid.org/ A journal that has not published in 5 years.     Quote I take that bothers you. It seems to bother you, in fact it seems to bother you so much that you are here. Why not go to UD or TT and shout into the echo chamber? Too bad that biological community has no idea if the transformations required are even possible via mutational accumulation. And all YOU have is to try to bash ID with your ignorance. You couldn't support your position if your life depended on it. As for not answering questions- well limpdick tell me- How can we test the premise that the bacterial flagellum "evolved" via an accumulation of genetic accidents? It isn't in any textbooks. And it isn't in any peer-reviewed paper. IOW asswipe your position is all smoke and mirrors. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,09:56    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 11 2010,09:52) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2010,09:44) Nice projection you ignorant dolt. The plural of insults is not "data" you know. Tell me one thing, how do you keep a keyboard working with the amount of drool you must produce? More projection from the drool-queen -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,10:01    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2010,09:55) Too bad that biological community has no idea if the transformations required are even possible via mutational accumulation. And your proof for that is what? Those words? Anything else?   Quote And all YOU have is to try to bash ID with your ignorance. Why don't you wow us all then and give a demonstration of the EF in action.   Quote You couldn't support your position if your life depended on it. The argument has already happened. My "position" is the default. You've already lost, you just don't realise it.   Quote As for not answering questions- well limpdick tell me- How can we test the premise that the bacterial flagellum "evolved" via an accumulation of genetic accidents? I'll answer that once you answer how we can test the premise that the bacterial flagellum was intelligently designed? Also, which bacterial flagellum did you have in mind here? There are many variants. Any one in particular? I'm afraid I don't know what the variant is called that is on the banner at UD.   Quote It isn't in any textbooks. And it isn't in any peer-reviewed paper. As we've seen from the "cosmos" thread even it is probable you would not be able to understand it.   Quote IOW asswipe your position is all smoke and mirrors. And that's why almost every working biologist in the entire world takes that position. And a few bible bashing IDiots at bible-university and you think otherwise. So what. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,10:02    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2010,09:56) More projection from the drool-queen Have you just learnt a new word? How sweet! -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,10:09    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2010,09:55) How can we test the premise that the bacterial flagellum "evolved" via an accumulation of genetic accidents? Joe G claims that the EF can detect ghosts: Quote Next we have the “Ghost Hunters” on the SciFi channel. They use the EF- as in first they try to explain phenomenon X via all other non-agency explanations. Only after those attempts have failed, and a pattern is met, do they say the place is haunted. Yet he can't give us an example of the EF detecting design in biology despite the fact they can do it on TV. Har har har. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,10:11    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 11 2010,10:01) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2010,09:55) Too bad that biological community has no idea if the transformations required are even possible via mutational accumulation. And your proof for that is what? Those words? Anything else?     Quote And all YOU have is to try to bash ID with your ignorance. Why don't you wow us all then and give a demonstration of the EF in action.     Quote You couldn't support your position if your life depended on it. The argument has already happened. My "position" is the default. You've already lost, you just don't realise it.     Quote As for not answering questions- well limpdick tell me- How can we test the premise that the bacterial flagellum "evolved" via an accumulation of genetic accidents? I'll answer that once you answer how we can test the premise that the bacterial flagellum was intelligently designed? Also, which bacterial flagellum did you have in mind here? There are many variants. Any one in particular? I'm afraid I don't know what the variant is called that is on the banner at UD.     Quote It isn't in any textbooks. And it isn't in any peer-reviewed paper. As we've seen from the "cosmos" thread even it is probable you would not be able to understand it.     Quote IOW asswipe your position is all smoke and mirrors. And that's why almost every working biologist in the entire world takes that position. And a few bible bashing IDiots at bible-university and you think otherwise. So what. My "proof"= nothing in peer-review. There isn't any data which demonstrates mutations can accumulate in such a way as to give rise to new protein machinery, new body parts and new body plans. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,10:16    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2010,10:11) My "proof"= nothing in peer-review. What have you read? Given that it's not possible for a single person to keep up with the complete volume of scientific output I have to wonder on what basis you make this claim. Do you have a team of ID researchers in your basement scouring every journal? Every paper that comes out?   Quote There isn't any data which demonstrates mutations can accumulate in such a way as to give rise to new protein machinery, new body parts and new body plans. Therefore ID? Even if that were true, how exactly does it help you? Even if it were true, what support does that give ID? None whatsoever, that's how much. Ever thought about providing some evidence for *your* position? Knock "Darwinism" as much as you like, it won't help ID one single bit. So, about that debate. Proved you've even got $10,000 yet? Or still making that empty claim just to avoid having to put up or shut up? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,10:23    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 11 2010,10:16) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2010,10:11) My "proof"= nothing in peer-review. What have you read? Given that it's not possible for a single person to keep up with the complete volume of scientific output I have to wonder on what basis you make this claim. Do you have a team of ID researchers in your basement scouring every journal? Every paper that comes out?   Quote There isn't any data which demonstrates mutations can accumulate in such a way as to give rise to new protein machinery, new body parts and new body plans. Therefore ID? Even if that were true, how exactly does it help you? Even if it were true, what support does that give ID? None whatsoever, that's how much. Ever thought about providing some evidence for *your* position? Knock "Darwinism" as much as you like, it won't help ID one single bit. So, about that debate. Proved you've even got $10,000 yet? Or still making that empty claim just to avoid having to put up or shut up? Hey asshole- If I am wrong then please present the data which demonstrates that. I have provided plenty of evidence for ID on my blog. Why can't you grow some balls and leave your protectorate and actually engage the evidence? -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Badger3k Posts: 861 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,10:25    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 11 2010,10:09) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2010,09:55) How can we test the premise that the bacterial flagellum "evolved" via an accumulation of genetic accidents? Joe G claims that the EF can detect ghosts:   Quote Next we have the “Ghost Hunters” on the SciFi channel. They use the EF- as in first they try to explain phenomenon X via all other non-agency explanations. Only after those attempts have failed, and a pattern is met, do they say the place is haunted. Yet he can't give us an example of the EF detecting design in biology despite the fact they can do it on TV. Har har har. Using moronic plumbers who have no clue as to what they are doing as evidence of EF?  Those idiots just start out with the assumption there is a ghost, then look for anything they can twist to conform to their fantasies.  If ghosts are real, those guys wouldn't know one if it bit them on the ass.  All they end up doing is making assertions and scaring themselves, and feeling superior to anyone who isn't in their clique. Oh, wait, that is like IDiots. -------------- "Just think if every species had a different genetic code We would have to eat other humans to survive.." : Joe G

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,10:26    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 11 2010,10:09) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 11 2010,09:55) How can we test the premise that the bacterial flagellum "evolved" via an accumulation of genetic accidents? Joe G claims that the EF can detect ghosts:   Quote Next we have the “Ghost Hunters” on the SciFi channel. They use the EF- as in first they try to explain phenomenon X via all other non-agency explanations. Only after those attempts have failed, and a pattern is met, do they say the place is haunted. Yet he can't give us an example of the EF detecting design in biology despite the fact they can do it on TV. Har har har. CSI investigation. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,10:29    Quote I have provided plenty of evidence for ID on my blog. Then it shouldn't be too much trouble to cut and paste your best example of that evidence. Quote Why can't you grow some balls and leave your protectorate and actually engage the evidence? Your posts are coming through here without hindrance, Joe. You pre-moderate your own blog. A quick glance doesn't suggest your blog is a suitable venue for a free exchange of ideas.

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