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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,11:55   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ Mar. 06 2012,11:46)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 06 2012,11:16)
Now Joe misunderstands SLoT from the safety of the parking lot:

http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2012.......of.html

 
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Again the argument pertains to naturalism- you have to explain the universe using the blind watchmaker wrt 2nd law.


That's easy: 42.

No, joe.  The only one who has to explain the 'blind watchmaker' is you.  You're the only person, possibly on the planet who thinks that this is the scientific explanation.

He refuses to get it.

ETA:

The 2nd law of THERMOdynamics is about what, Joe?  Give up?  

Heat, Joe.  The 2nd law of thermoDYNAMICS describes the flow of heat in a closed system.

Tell you what, use the formula of the 2nd Law and show exactly why the things you claim can't happen actually can't happen.

Analogies are a waste of breath.  This is a mathematical function.  Use it or STFU.

Edited by OgreMkV on Mar. 06 2012,12:00

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,12:32   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 06 2012,11:55)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Mar. 06 2012,11:46)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 06 2012,11:16)
Now Joe misunderstands SLoT from the safety of the parking lot:

http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2012.......of.html

   
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Again the argument pertains to naturalism- you have to explain the universe using the blind watchmaker wrt 2nd law.


That's easy: 42.

No, joe.  The only one who has to explain the 'blind watchmaker' is you.  You're the only person, possibly on the planet who thinks that this is the scientific explanation.

He refuses to get it.

ETA:

The 2nd law of THERMOdynamics is about what, Joe?  Give up?  

Heat, Joe.  The 2nd law of thermoDYNAMICS describes the flow of heat in a closed system.

Tell you what, use the formula of the 2nd Law and show exactly why the things you claim can't happen actually can't happen.

Analogies are a waste of breath.  This is a mathematical function.  Use it or STFU.

No Kevin, YOU are retarded as Dawkins is the one who presented and stands by the blind watchmaker.

Also see Hawking who has said this is all just an accident- that the laws "just are (the way they are)"


Planetary formation via accretion- just a bunch of cosmic collisions, kevin

Star formation- just another lucky event

You are one fucked-up dumbass kevin-

matter, energy, necessity and chance didit = the blind watchmaker

Adding a designer = ID

BTW I don't think the blind watchmaker is a scientific explanation, but it is your position's explanation- or are you saying that you are an IDist?

Or perhaps you are just a clueless and ignorant fuck...

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,12:34   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 06 2012,11:16)
Now Joe misunderstands SLoT from the safety of the parking lot:

http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2012.......of.html

Unfortunately for RichTARD he still cannot provide a coherent argument to support his imbecilic accusations.

Strange, that...

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,12:41   

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Isn't MODERATION supposed to be a virtue? ;)

Not when taken to extremes.

Now you're just being mean.

It's a standard error.

You're biased!

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,12:44   

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Joe:
 
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Oh NO- NOT MODERATION!!!!

Link.
Yet Joe has comment moderation enabled for every poster, every comment on his blog.

There is a name for people like you Joe.

"Evenhanded"- or in the case of moderating my blog due to the likes of you, the word would be "Intelligent"

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,12:46   

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Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 05 2012,17:44)
Joe:
 
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Oh NO- NOT MODERATION!!!!

Link.
Yet Joe has comment moderation enabled for every poster, every comment on his blog.

There is a name for people like you Joe.

The same word when he demands that we support his strawman and yet refuses to do so for his own notions... that word?

What strawman?

I have referenced my claim wrt the blind watchmaker/ blind and undirected processes.

OTOH all you have is your continued cowardice.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,12:49   

Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 06 2012,12:32)
Also see Hawking who has said this is all just an accident- that the laws "just are (the way they are)"

That's it right there Joe.  

There is no blind watchmaker.  THERE ARE LAWS that govern how subatomic particles interact, how atoms interact and change, how molecules interact and change.

And there is not a single one of those laws that has ever been shown to prevent life developing from non-life.  

Your inability to use the equation that describes the 2nd Law is noted.

Wait, before you go off 1/2 cocked (or quarter... eighth cocked in your case?) let me just remind you that many of the laws that govern these things have only recently been discovered.  My understanding is that there are some excellent hypotheses (you know, testable, falsifiable, repeatable... unlike stuff IDiots do) that may even help us to determine why those laws are the way they are... the laws to make universal laws if you will.

Now, I understand that you refuse to accept this.  Because one person on the internet can't describe the entire creation of the known universe from scratch, then you think you've won the argument.  That just goes to show how you really don't understand science.

Design is not the null hypothesis.  Design is not what you should go to when you don't know the real answer.  There are so many logical fallacies with that tactic I don't even want to count them... but you use that rule.

So, again, stand up for YOUR notions Joe.  Use the equation that describes the second law to prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt that life, in an open system, cannot exist.  

Since you can't, I'm going to do some useful work while you fume and rage impotently at your keyboard in your mom's basement.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,12:51   

Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 06 2012,12:44)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 05 2012,17:44)
Joe:
   
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Oh NO- NOT MODERATION!!!!

Link.
Yet Joe has comment moderation enabled for every poster, every comment on his blog.

There is a name for people like you Joe.

"Evenhanded"- or in the case of moderating my blog due to the likes of you, the word would be "Intelligent"

Funny how your tone has changed since you got put in moderation init Joe?

Why is that? What does that pertain to?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,12:55   

Joe:      
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Planetary formation via accretion- just a bunch of cosmic collisions, kevin

Star formation- just another lucky event


Gravity, Joe. Gravity. Not just 'random' collisions. Mass attracts mass. And, incidentally, causes nucleosynthesis of planetary matter and of those radionuclides that power our subcrust heating AND that nice sunlight plants obligingly trap in complete accord with the Second Law of Thermodynamics. All hail gravity.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,13:03   

frisbee kid while you are here, just like to thank you for your epic performance at TSZ lately.  i have pointed and laughed at you for years but that was by far the most hilarious thing you have ever done.  beats the fuck out of everything prior by infinite exponents.  not even the same universe of tard as you have been producing.  just wanted you to know that I, old buddy, am a HUGE fan of this shit.  There is no doubt in my military mind that you have converted *untold* numbers of onlookers to Intelligent Design Creationism as a direct result of your reasoned, objective, coolly logical arguments drawing upon the vast amount of literature, theoretical and conceptual knowledge you have at your disposal.

FUCKING A, DOOD



Edited by Lou FCD on Mar. 06 2012,17:09

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,13:05   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Mar. 06 2012,12:55)
Joe:      
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Planetary formation via accretion- just a bunch of cosmic collisions, kevin

Star formation- just another lucky event


Gravity, Joe. Gravity. Not just 'random' collisions. Mass attracts mass. And, incidentally, causes nucleosynthesis of planetary matter and of those radionuclides that power our subcrust heating AND that nice sunlight plants obligingly trap in complete accord with the Second Law of Thermodynamics. All hail gravity.

Of course, gravity isn't accidental either.  It's a result of the fact that mass warps the fabric of spacetime in a consistent way.  

Do we understand why mass warps spacetime?  No, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't do so in a consistent way.

Hey Joe, trick question, in a closed system how does the entropy of one mole of water change as it disassociates into hydrogen and oxygen?  How does the entropy change as the disassociated gases recombine into water?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,13:19   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 06 2012,12:49)
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 06 2012,12:32)
Also see Hawking who has said this is all just an accident- that the laws "just are (the way they are)"

That's it right there Joe.  

There is no blind watchmaker.  THERE ARE LAWS that govern how subatomic particles interact, how atoms interact and change, how molecules interact and change.

And there is not a single one of those laws that has ever been shown to prevent life developing from non-life.  

Your inability to use the equation that describes the 2nd Law is noted.

Wait, before you go off 1/2 cocked (or quarter... eighth cocked in your case?) let me just remind you that many of the laws that govern these things have only recently been discovered.  My understanding is that there are some excellent hypotheses (you know, testable, falsifiable, repeatable... unlike stuff IDiots do) that may even help us to determine why those laws are the way they are... the laws to make universal laws if you will.

Now, I understand that you refuse to accept this.  Because one person on the internet can't describe the entire creation of the known universe from scratch, then you think you've won the argument.  That just goes to show how you really don't understand science.

Design is not the null hypothesis.  Design is not what you should go to when you don't know the real answer.  There are so many logical fallacies with that tactic I don't even want to count them... but you use that rule.

So, again, stand up for YOUR notions Joe.  Use the equation that describes the second law to prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt that life, in an open system, cannot exist.  

Since you can't, I'm going to do some useful work while you fume and rage impotently at your keyboard in your mom's basement.

Umm you have to explain those laws beyond just saying "they are they way they are"- isn't science.

But way to go ace- you definitely choked on that false accusation- don't worry I don't expect you to apologize.

And asshole- I have stood up for my notions- I have also exposed you as the lying coward that you are.

MY inability? Fuck you- your inability to support your accusations is the problem here kevin.

And the way my posts disappear from this cowards retreat why should I post anything other than responses to your obvious cowardice?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,13:22   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Mar. 06 2012,12:55)
Joe:      
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Planetary formation via accretion- just a bunch of cosmic collisions, kevin

Star formation- just another lucky event


Gravity, Joe. Gravity. Not just 'random' collisions. Mass attracts mass. And, incidentally, causes nucleosynthesis of planetary matter and of those radionuclides that power our subcrust heating AND that nice sunlight plants obligingly trap in complete accord with the Second Law of Thermodynamics. All hail gravity.

Right soapy- just pull this "just-so" gravity out of the blind watchmaker's ass...

Got it- all science so far...

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,13:30   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 06 2012,13:05)
Quote (Soapy Sam @ Mar. 06 2012,12:55)
Joe:        
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Planetary formation via accretion- just a bunch of cosmic collisions, kevin

Star formation- just another lucky event


Gravity, Joe. Gravity. Not just 'random' collisions. Mass attracts mass. And, incidentally, causes nucleosynthesis of planetary matter and of those radionuclides that power our subcrust heating AND that nice sunlight plants obligingly trap in complete accord with the Second Law of Thermodynamics. All hail gravity.

Of course, gravity isn't accidental either.  It's a result of the fact that mass warps the fabric of spacetime in a consistent way.  

Do we understand why mass warps spacetime?  No, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't do so in a consistent way.

Hey Joe, trick question, in a closed system how does the entropy of one mole of water change as it disassociates into hydrogen and oxygen?  How does the entropy change as the disassociated gases recombine into water?

Yes mass warps space-time in a consistent way because it was designed to do so.

release of nrg- h2o disass

requires nrg- making h2o

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,13:40   

Joe, post one example of a post of yours disappearing from here.  You can't... as far as my blog... I just don't appreciate a guest shitting on my floor.  You don't get to come to my place and call me all the things you did.  Do it here... I don't care.

Again, Joe, because you still need to work on the keeping more than two sentences in memory at the same time*.  Science is actively looking for the answers.  You know all that real hypothesis, research, experiment stuff.  Perhaps you've heard of the Higgs Bosun that is being actively searched for at the largest scientific system ever built?  No, I'm not surprised.

You see, in many calculations using both quantum mechanics and the standard model, the Higgs particle is directly involved in generating mass.  Thoughts differ on how this occurs.  Perhaps (and aesthetically, this is my favorite) mass doesn't cause warped spacetime and gravity, but it's the other way around... warped spacetime causes mass.  Again, this is a working hypothesis.

But that's just it.  It's a working hypothesis, Joe.  It's called science, perhaps you should look it up and learn about it.  

Again, your refusal to even acknowledge the actual equations for the 2nd law are noted (and laughed about).  

Again, your refusal to even attempt to explain why the things you claim are impossible are impossible is noted and snickered about.  

That is why I am justified talking about your inability Joe.

Send me the link to a single example of you calculating the CSI of anything.  Show me the link to where you explain how to calculate the CSI of anything.  Remember CSI is measured in bits, if it can be measured, then it can be calculated.

That is why I am justified talking about your inability Joe.  

Your complete ignorance of actual science, beyond what you can get from quotmining scholarly journals is why I'm justified talking about your inability Joe.  The mere fact that I have to explain to you what gravity is and how research is actively being conducted to unravel how it actually works just shows you don't even bother to keep up with real science.

As far as supporting 'my position'... you don't even know what my position is Joe.  Otherwise you would know that it is supported and has been supported for 150 years.  Sure changes are made a new information comes to light, but that's what science is Joe.  Dembski just dressed up Paley's watchmaker argument in new clothes, but it hasn't changed in over 200 years.

But keep whining and keep refusing to actually do the things that would show you are correct (like explaining how ID works, how it can be used, how to calculate CSI, how to determine the entropy in a system, etc. etc. etc.).

It's OK, don't cry.  Someday (probably sooner rather than later), everyone will forget you ever existed and you won't have to worry about the embarrassment caused by your own idiocy.




* There's this game called "memory" it's for 3-6 year-olds... though it doesn't mention physical or emotional age.  Perhaps you should check it out.  It might help with your problem.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,13:41   

Ya see kevin, one problem I have always had with hydrogen fuel cells is if that hydrogen wasn't taken from existing H2O, when the hydrogen fuel combusts and makes water vapor, we will be adding to the existing supply and end up drowning ouselves anyway. LoL

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,13:45   

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Hey Joe, trick question, in a closed system how does the entropy of one mole of water change as it disassociates into hydrogen and oxygen?  How does the entropy change as the disassociated gases recombine into water?


release of nrg- h2o disass

requires nrg- making h2o

Well, that is a worse answer than I could have imagined.

Edited by REC on Mar. 06 2012,13:47

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,13:47   

Maybe mass and warped space-time are just two ways of describing the same thing?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,13:51   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 06 2012,13:40)
Joe, post one example of a post of yours disappearing from here.  You can't... as far as my blog... I just don't appreciate a guest shitting on my floor.  You don't get to come to my place and call me all the things you did.  Do it here... I don't care.

Again, Joe, because you still need to work on the keeping more than two sentences in memory at the same time*.  Science is actively looking for the answers.  You know all that real hypothesis, research, experiment stuff.  Perhaps you've heard of the Higgs Bosun that is being actively searched for at the largest scientific system ever built?  No, I'm not surprised.

You see, in many calculations using both quantum mechanics and the standard model, the Higgs particle is directly involved in generating mass.  Thoughts differ on how this occurs.  Perhaps (and aesthetically, this is my favorite) mass doesn't cause warped spacetime and gravity, but it's the other way around... warped spacetime causes mass.  Again, this is a working hypothesis.

But that's just it.  It's a working hypothesis, Joe.  It's called science, perhaps you should look it up and learn about it.  

Again, your refusal to even acknowledge the actual equations for the 2nd law are noted (and laughed about).  

Again, your refusal to even attempt to explain why the things you claim are impossible are impossible is noted and snickered about.  

That is why I am justified talking about your inability Joe.

Send me the link to a single example of you calculating the CSI of anything.  Show me the link to where you explain how to calculate the CSI of anything.  Remember CSI is measured in bits, if it can be measured, then it can be calculated.

That is why I am justified talking about your inability Joe.  

Your complete ignorance of actual science, beyond what you can get from quotmining scholarly journals is why I'm justified talking about your inability Joe.  The mere fact that I have to explain to you what gravity is and how research is actively being conducted to unravel how it actually works just shows you don't even bother to keep up with real science.

As far as supporting 'my position'... you don't even know what my position is Joe.  Otherwise you would know that it is supported and has been supported for 150 years.  Sure changes are made a new information comes to light, but that's what science is Joe.  Dembski just dressed up Paley's watchmaker argument in new clothes, but it hasn't changed in over 200 years.

But keep whining and keep refusing to actually do the things that would show you are correct (like explaining how ID works, how it can be used, how to calculate CSI, how to determine the entropy in a system, etc. etc. etc.).

It's OK, don't cry.  Someday (probably sooner rather than later), everyone will forget you ever existed and you won't have to worry about the embarrassment caused by your own idiocy.




* There's this game called "memory" it's for 3-6 year-olds... though it doesn't mention physical or emotional age.  Perhaps you should check it out.  It might help with your problem.

Kevin I have had many of my comments disappear from here.

I know what science is, kevin- yes I know all about CERN and the LHC- electronics, kevin- the flow of electrons, the producers of invisible fields - that is my realm kevin- Tesla- I was building tesla coils, producing millions of volts at about 10 MHz, with stuff WE designed and built- our own capacitors made out of panes of glass as the dielectric and tin foil as the plates.

We wound the secondary on a PVC tube 4' long and a 2" diameter- we used a power drill, with one guy feeding the wire along the tube.

We did it kevin- when you were in diapers, or maybe you weren't evn born yet.

We took CBs, 23 channels at the time, and reversed the two oscillators and got 23 unused channels below the regular CB band- we were in high school kevin- testing our hypothesis- we built CB linears- home and auto- we used to test our power hypothesis by driving down the street at night key- up and light a flourescent tube we would hold outside the car. Or we would back up to some store, key-up and blank their registers.

As for CSI go to my blog and search on that-

And your equivocation is duly noted as there isn't anything in that 150 years that demonstrates the blind watchmaker didit

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,13:53   

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Hey Joe, trick question, in a closed system how does the entropy of one mole of water change as it disassociates into hydrogen and oxygen?  How does the entropy change as the disassociated gases recombine into water?


release of nrg- h2o disass

requires nrg- making h2o

Well, that is a worse answer than I could have imagined.

Yup- I totally fucked up


OK pig pile on the fuck-up

I will get back later

wtf?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,13:56   

But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water.



Edited by Lou FCD on Mar. 06 2012,17:14

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,14:07   

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Kevin I have had many of my comments disappear from here.


What? Delete your comments and thereby deprive ourselves of the lulz?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,14:07   

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But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water.

Lolwut?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,14:08   

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But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water.

OMG.  Seriously?  That's what you think the trick question is.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I didn't fucking misspell "molecule" you moron.  I said "mole" and I meant "mole"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

breath

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


ETA:

Oh, I understand, you couldn't keep more than two sentences in memory and forgot we were talking about the the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 06 2012,13:56)
But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water.


No you don't...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

breath

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Edited by OgreMkV on Mar. 06 2012,14:10

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,14:09   

Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 06 2012,13:56)
But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water.

---you might want to google 'mole,' if you didn't have high-school chemistry.

While you're at it, you might want to look into enthalpy vs entropy.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,14:09   

Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 06 2012,13:41)
Ya see kevin, one problem I have always had with hydrogen fuel cells is if that hydrogen wasn't taken from existing H2O, when the hydrogen fuel combusts and makes water vapor, we will be adding to the existing supply and end up drowning ouselves anyway. LoL

While recent discussions on gravity and mass are a tad beyond me (though if anyone has some books\papers to reccomend...), I have to take issue with this statement, Joe.

Hydrogen does not "combust" in a hydrogen fuel cell. It is combined with oxygen (usually taken from the air) and this interaction generates electricity and water. You may as well complain that fuel cells will take all the oxygen from the atmosphere, suffocating us before we can drown.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,14:13   

Quote (Mindrover @ Mar. 06 2012,14:09)
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 06 2012,13:41)
Ya see kevin, one problem I have always had with hydrogen fuel cells is if that hydrogen wasn't taken from existing H2O, when the hydrogen fuel combusts and makes water vapor, we will be adding to the existing supply and end up drowning ouselves anyway. LoL

While recent discussions on gravity and mass are a tad beyond me (though if anyone has some books\papers to reccomend...), I have to take issue with this statement, Joe.

Hydrogen does not "combust" in a hydrogen fuel cell. It is combined with oxygen (usually taken from the air) and this interaction generates electricity and water. You may as well complain that fuel cells will take all the oxygen from the atmosphere, suffocating us before we can drown.

man, beat me to it.

I was too busy rolling around on the floor laughing.  My coworkers are still looking at me funny.


BTW: I'll remind you for the 2,348th time that you are the only one with the blind watchmaker fixation.  It's called a strawman when you misrepresent your opponents position and attack that.

Hey guys, what would you call it when Joe misrepresents his supporters position?  Like when Meyer, Behe, and Demsbki have all stated that ID is anti-evolution?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,14:15   

Let's just put this up again... I'd hate to see it get lost in the lulz.


Hey Joe, trick question, in a closed system how does the entropy of one mole of water change as it disassociates into hydrogen and oxygen?  How does the entropy change as the disassociated gases recombine into water?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,14:19   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 06 2012,12:15)
Let's just put this up again... I'd hate to see it get lost in the lulz.


Hey Joe, trick question, in a closed system how does the entropy of one mole of water change as it disassociates into hydrogen and oxygen?  How does the entropy change as the disassociated gases recombine into water?

There's an Indian expression "like playing the flute to the water buffalo" which seems apposite here.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,14:20   

Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 06 2012,13:56)
But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water.

Two wrong answers combined in a single response.  :p

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