Reciprocating Bill
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Joined: Oct. 2006
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BarryA starts to come around:
B: "Wow Grandpa, you're saying that some Injuns designed and made these things?"
G: "No. They clearly display design, and I am an expert in detecting design. But I am not saying there was a designer."
B: "Grandpa, but who made them? Do you think it was just one tribe, two, or even more?"
G: "We don't speculate on who made them. I can reliably detect design, but can't say anything about a designer, or whether there were two designers."
B: "Wha...Ok. Wow, Grandpa, but when were they made? Can we tell if they were made last week? Or maybe thousands of years ago. That would be COOL!"
G: "I see design. And they could have been designed last week, and they could have been designed thousands of years ago. My design expertise doesn't give me any way to tell."
B: "Ok Grandpa. But wow! Wouldn't it be cool if we could find out about the Injuns? Where did they live? If we could figure out where they lived, and what they were doing with these pointy things, we would know where to look for more, and how deep to dig!"
G: "Grandson, you just aren't listening. I am not saying there were Injuns, or anything about a designer. I am saying they clearly display design, which I can prove mathematically, but we can't say anything about a designer."
B: "Grandpa, wouldn't it be cool if we looked at the pointy things and figured out how they were made? I wonder if they were all made the same way? Does it take a long time, or can they make one right away?"
G: "These objects absolutely reflect design. Any idiot can see that. But you have to understand that we can't say anything about a designer, or even that there was a designer, or two designers, or when they designed, or how they turned the design into a real thing, or why they were designed, or anything else. I am only interested in detecting the design they display."
B: "But Grandpa, I'll bet we can figure out SOMETHING about the pointy things that would tell us if they are old or not, or something about the designer, or how they made them, or when, or why. WHY won't you think about that?"
G: "Grandson, that's the last bit of idiocy I'm going to hear from you. Hasta la vista Baby!" (Grandpa smacks the shit out of his insolent grandson, and permanently terminates their relationship).
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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace
"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington
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