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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,00:23

Granddad, what did you do in the war against Darwinism:

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Increasinginly I find that those with doctorates in the natural and engineering sciences are asking, “What can I do to help in the fight against Darwinism?” For some this will involve research bearing directly on Darwinian theory. But there is also another way to help. Many in the media and the public still do not know that there is scientific dissent from Darwinism. They have no idea that MANY scientists are skeptical of neo-Darwinian theory.

Well sure, you could do research if you really want. But the exciting work is in blogging and issuing press releases!

In the comments, Sal reports proudly:

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The DI list is about to over take the StevoMeter.

I don't think Sal gets the irony behind the Steve list.

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,01:18

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The thing that gets me is why his targets are not bursting out in fits of laughter...they must have to deal with some seriously deluded tard as though it is normal.

Experts frequently have to endure idiocy. Maybe that predisposes them to take apparent idiocy at face value. For example, the guy who taught my PY341 class (Intro to Thermo) at one point bitched out the department secretary for sending all the crackpots his way. He was irritated that every week he had some nutcase on the phone or in his mailbox explaining how to build free-energy devices that would revolutionize the universe and overthrow all the current paradigms. Much like the Intelligent Design nuts. The department secretary told him he wasn't special-- there were lots of nuts, and she was distributing them equally around the physics faculty.

Oh ......so Demski isn't just a one off anti-gravity, zero energy, infinite wavelength, disembowled imaginary entity..... pseudoscience nutcase?

Geez I can understand your Intro to Thermo guys frustration, friggin' pods and replicants are so well disguised these days its giving good cheap clothing a bad name.
They should be given a test before they can buy a razor or get a hair cut, "Why does facial hair on the human male make it a mammal?".
If they fail they join the crowd that reminds everyone else how lucky they are.

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,05:18

Dembski announces the McGrath-Dennett debate on the future of atheism. And everyone's being really sweet about it! First, up pops DaveScot:

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I’m kind of surprised it’s still on. Dennett had aorta replacement surgery in October. That’s some major crack your chest open stop your heart surgery. February is only 4 months recovery.

That's quite thoughtful of you, Dave. Then russ:

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Yes, but any guy who resembles Santa comes into a debate about 10 points up, so he has the advantage if his doctors let him go.

Hope Dennett has a speedy recovery.

Funny, Russ! And that's very decent of you to wish him well.

Now IDist:

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McGrath is a person who I hold great respect for, although (I think) he accepts Darwinism

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This is going to be interesting.

See, we can all get along so nicely, and respect our intellectual adversaries. This party is just going so swell, everyone's being so ni...

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GilDodgen 01/24/2007 8:57pm: The future of atheism is bleak, because humans are aware of their mortality, and are programmed with an ineluctable sense that their lives must have some ultimate purpose and meaning — otherwise, life is absurd. Despite claims to the contrary, atheism peddles nihilism as its ultimate product, and most people intuitively recognize this.

OH NO, IT'S DEBBIE DOWNER!!!!!

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,05:41

DS:

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Thus we IDiots have to comb the literature looking for quotes made during a moment of innocent honesty. Sucks, doesn’t it? Science isn’t supposed to work like that. Your side has turned science into politics and you punish those who wander from the reservation with political consequences.

hit the nail on the head there DS. Instead of combing the literature, do some friggin research!
DS admits here that ID is simply quotemining or "comb the literature looking for quotes" as he puts it. Classic.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1993#comments

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,05:55

DaveScot

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Real nice situation the asshats on your side have created that frightens scientists into not only not saying what they think but fearful of even of the hint of having heretical ID thoughts.

As usual, DaveScot elevates the discussion. In any case, he just called Loomis and the vast majority of evolutionary biologists cowards who are afraid to even think. In fact, the Theory of Evolution permeates Loomis's research and teaching.

* Evolution of complex genomes from simpler ones appears to have involved duplication of individual genes and surrounding sequences followed by changes in the extra copies.
* The genome sequence shows all the proteins available to Dictyostelium as well as definitively showing which domains have been lost since Dictyostelium diverged from the line leading to metazoans.
* However, the ability to synthesize nine amino acids (Phe, Trp, Ile, Leu, Val, Lys, His, Thr, and Met) was lost in a wide variety of eukaryotes that evolved the ability to feed on other organisms.
* An expanded phylogenetic tree built from the complete predicted proteomes of 23 eukaryotes places the two amoebae in the same lineage, although the divergence is estimated to be greater than that between animals and fungi, and probably happened shortly after the Amoebozoa split from the opisthokont lineage.
* The second part of this course will focus on the evolution of whole genomes.

Yes, the man obviously lives in fear.

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,06:12

Dave:

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You know that secret listserv you've been talking about on ATBC that Heddle got kicked off of? I'm on that list and write to it a couple times every day. ... I was added to it shortly after Heddle was removed.

Dave, once more:

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I wrote either here or to a private listserv in the past...

Dave, again:

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On a listserve which shall remain nameless...

Still Dave:

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after several months of being a member on an underground ID listserv

Dave, are you, like, on a secret listserve or something?

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,06:56

Shhhh ITS A SECRET.

Along with the secret ID research lab where ex Marine Fieldmushroom 'stormin' Dave Springer is the doorman, comment cleaner and IP inspector everything is totally transparent ...in fact a completely empty vessel.

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,08:58

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 25 2007,05:41)

DS:

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Thus we IDiots have to comb the literature looking for quotes made during a moment of innocent honesty. Sucks, doesn’t it? Science isn’t supposed to work like that. Your side has turned science into politics and you punish those who wander from the reservation with political consequences.

hit the nail on the head there DS. Instead of combing the literature, do some friggin research!
DS admits here that ID is simply quotemining or "comb the literature looking for quotes" as he puts it. Classic.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1993#comments

Nah, Dave has heard that the 2007 Nobel Prize nominations for Looking Stuff Up on Google are still wide open, so expect him to be working very hard this year.

Dave's already won his Moment of Total Non Self-Awareness Prize for the day:

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Your side has turned science into politics

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,09:56

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1993#comments

Joseph turns on the tard:

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Design is a mechanism and it is just as valid of a mechanism as anything the ToE has to offer.

WOW. I'm happy you're NOT Santa, Joesph, or I'd have gotten blueprints for Christmas. :angry:

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,10:11

Ed Brayton at Science Blogs jumps on the Tardman too -
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatc....s_1.php

Worth looking at the comment by a REAL combat vet, Scot A. I invited Scot A over here, hope you don't mind.

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,10:24

Quote (Altabin @ Jan. 25 2007,05:18)

Dembski announces the McGrath-Dennett debate on the future of atheism. And everyone's being really sweet about it! First, up pops DaveScot:

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I’m kind of surprised it’s still on. Dennett had aorta replacement surgery in October. That’s some major crack your chest open stop your heart surgery. February is only 4 months recovery.

That's quite thoughtful of you, Dave. Then russ:

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Yes, but any guy who resembles Santa comes into a debate about 10 points up, so he has the advantage if his doctors let him go.

Hope Dennett has a speedy recovery.

Funny, Russ! And that's very decent of you to wish him well.

Now IDist:

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McGrath is a person who I hold great respect for, although (I think) he accepts Darwinism

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This is going to be interesting.

See, we can all get along so nicely, and respect our intellectual adversaries. This party is just going so swell, everyone's being so ni...

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GilDodgen 01/24/2007 8:57pm: The future of atheism is bleak, because humans are aware of their mortality, and are programmed with an ineluctable sense that their lives must have some ultimate purpose and meaning — otherwise, life is absurd. Despite claims to the contrary, atheism peddles nihilism as its ultimate product, and most people intuitively recognize this.

OH NO, IT'S DEBBIE DOWNER!!!!!

You're wrong. That is in fact Captain Bringdown and the Buzzkillers.

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,10:36

Yes, he seems to be having a bad day, and is taking it out on his Strawman:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1997#comment-87343

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The number of unconvinced is growing. Better get busier in those labs producing evidence that random mutation and natural selection is responsible for turning mud into man and bacteria into baboons

IQ north of 150 and don't know what abiogenisis is?

CALL 1-800-FAT-TARD

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,10:59

Bfast lays it on the line: "fuck you, we refuse to do research, and we're proud of it!":

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bFast
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Ofro, “Go to the laboratory and provide empirical evidence that will convince everybody.”

The ID community is small compared to the research scientist community. However, the research sccientists are coming out with all sorts of evidence that cries for an ID interpretation. Do you remember those mice that had 100,000 highly conserved basepairs removed with no mesurable deleterious effects?

“Go to the laboratory” is a platitude, a brush off. While laboratory work is being done, analysis of the laboratory work of others is a hundred times more fruitful.

If anyone wanted a better statement of the parasitic nature of ID...

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,11:16

Re "Do you remember those mice that had 100,000 highly conserved basepairs removed with no mesurable deleterious effects?"

So, uh, is this guy telling us that the Designer put in 100,000 basepairs that had no relevance to the function of the organism? I thought they'd established that the Designer wouldn't put in DNA that wasn't used for anything? Did I miss something somewhere or is the who whatting how with huh?

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,11:25

Quote (Henry J @ Jan. 25 2007,11:16)

Re "Do you remember those mice that had 100,000 highly conserved basepairs removed with no mesurable deleterious effects?"

So, uh, is this guy telling us that the Designer put in 100,000 basepairs that had no relevance to the function of the organism? I thought they'd established that the Designer wouldn't put in DNA that wasn't used for anything? Did I miss something somewhere or is the who whatting how with huh?

ID predicts this. ;)

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,11:31

Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 25 2007,10:36)

Yes, he seems to be having a bad day, and is taking it out on his Strawman:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1997#comment-87343

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The number of unconvinced is growing. Better get busier in those labs producing evidence that random mutation and natural selection is responsible for turning mud into man and bacteria into baboons

IQ north of 150 and don't know what abiogenisis is?

CALL 1-800-FAT-TARD

I'm pretty sure with Demski as "The Skipper" and Dave Scot as his "Little Buddy", the good ship Tard won't get off the island.

They really are the fleas fighting over the dog.

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,12:02

Kazmer Ujvarosy makes an appearance at Orwellian Malevolence and much hilarity ensues.

Of course, he doesn't bother correcting quizzlestick's fabricated-out-of-whole-cloth claim that his article is peer-reviewed. Instead, he favors us with a supersized sciencereligionistic word salad, and sends a fews props to quizzlestick:

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By the way, Quizzlestick is displaying an exceptional understanding of this living cosmology. I still have to find a person who has comparable capacity for clear thinking.

In spite of the evidence for it, I'm having a hard time believing that Kazmer is for real. Has anyone seen him and Lou FCD in the same place at the same time? No? According to my Super Premium Explanatory Filter, this proves that Kazmer was designed by Lou.

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,12:41

Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 25 2007,09:56)

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1993#comments

Joseph turns on the tard:

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Design is a mechanism and it is just as valid of a mechanism as anything the ToE has to offer.

WOW. I'm happy you're NOT Santa, Joesph, or I'd have gotten blueprints for Christmas. :angry:

Wait wait wait...

I thought that, according to Dembski, ID wasn't a "mechanistic theory".
I'm lost.

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,12:50

This old classic never loses its flavor:

http://thequestionableauthority.blogspot.com/2006....me.html

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,12:51

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GilDodgen 01/24/2007 8:57pm: The future of atheism is bleak, because humans are aware of their mortality, and are programmed with an ineluctable sense that their lives must have some ultimate purpose and meaning — otherwise, life is absurd. Despite claims to the contrary, atheism peddles nihilism as its ultimate product, and most people intuitively recognize this.

Gil: Were we programmed with such an intuition - with the ineluctable sense that our lives must have some ultimate purpose and meaning - our intuition would be of no help in deciding whether this proposition is true.

A programmed intuition is roughly as useful as a compass programmed to always tell us that we are facing north.

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,12:53

Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 25 2007,12:50)

This old classic never loses it's flavor:

http://thequestionableauthority.blogspot.com/2006....me.html

This one is good too:

http://atheistexperience.blogspot.com/2007....nd.html

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What kind of name is Shalini? I keep looking for a red dot on your forehead.

BIGOTARD!

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,12:57

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GilDodgen 01/24/2007 8:57pm: The future of atheism is bleak, because humans are aware of their mortality, and are programmed with an ineluctable sense that their lives must have some ultimate purpose and meaning — otherwise, life is absurd. Despite claims to the contrary, atheism peddles nihilism as its ultimate product, and most people intuitively recognize this.

Gil: Were we programmed with such an intuition - with the ineluctable sense that our lives must have some ultimate purpose and meaning - our intuition would be of no help in deciding whether this proposition is true.

A programmed intuition is roughly as useful as a compass programmed to always tell us that we are facing north.

Arf!

We know the inerrant bible is inerrant because the inerrant bible tells us so!

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,13:18

Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 25 2007,12:50)

This old classic never loses its flavor:

http://thequestionableauthority.blogspot.com/2006....me.html

Ah.... good times!

Compare:

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To everyone who’s pointed out that the ACLU story is a fabrication according to snopes.com - that’s hardly the point. The pictures of Marines praying are real. The fighting and dying to protect the interests of the United States is real. The request to pray for them is real. So I removed the fake names, noted the ACLU statement is rumor, and quoted a very real former Marine Sergeant’s sentiments instead. If anyone has a problem with that they can KMA. Google that.

HOO RAH! Semper Fi!

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As I was watching the Democratic response to President Bush’s State Of The Union speech tonight Senator Jim Webb played the United States Marine card[ three times (for himself, his brother, and his son all Marines). I take it personally when someone does that.

Aaaaahhhhh... That's the stuff!

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,13:24

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Dave:

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You know that secret listserv you've been talking about on ATBC that Heddle got kicked off of? I'm on that list and write to it a couple times every day. ... I was added to it shortly after Heddle was removed.

Dave, once more:

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I wrote either here or to a private listserv in the past...

Dave, again:

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On a listserve which shall remain nameless...

Still Dave:

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after several months of being a member on an underground ID listserv

Dave, are you, like, on a secret listserve or something?

in 1972, a crack design detection unit was sent to prison by a liberal homo court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from the scientific method to a top secret listserve. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of Jebus. If you need religion, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire... The D-Team.

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,13:47

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,13:48

Quote (Altabin @ Jan. 25 2007,06:12)

Dave:

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You know that secret listserv you've been talking about on ATBC that Heddle got kicked off of? I'm on that list and write to it a couple times every day. ... I was added to it shortly after Heddle was removed.

Dave, once more:

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I wrote either here or to a private listserv in the past...

Dave, again:

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On a listserve which shall remain nameless...

Still Dave:

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after several months of being a member on an underground ID listserv

Dave, are you, like, on a secret listserve or something?

And now a message for the members of the secret listserv!

BESURETODRINKYOUROVALTINE

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,13:48

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 25 2007,13:18)

Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 25 2007,12:50)

This old classic never loses its flavor:

http://thequestionableauthority.blogspot.com/2006....me.html

Ah.... good times!

Compare:

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To everyone who’s pointed out that the ACLU story is a fabrication according to snopes.com - that’s hardly the point. The pictures of Marines praying are real. The fighting and dying to protect the interests of the United States is real. The request to pray for them is real. So I removed the fake names, noted the ACLU statement is rumor, and quoted a very real former Marine Sergeant’s sentiments instead. If anyone has a problem with that they can KMA. Google that.

HOO RAH! Semper Fi!

with:

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As I was watching the Democratic response to President Bush’s State Of The Union speech tonight Senator Jim Webb played the United States Marine card[ three times (for himself, his brother, and his son all Marines). I take it personally when someone does that.

Aaaaahhhhh... That's the stuff!

Arden - Thank you for posting to this excellent Summer Memory - It will ALWAYS be linked to my memories of 2006. And the VERY BEST thing, is that someting equally dumb, or even dumber could erupt from him like a zit on prom night AT ANY TIME.

This guy HAS to be worth at least a PhD to someone lucky enough to get a grant to study him, and answer the questions we all would like to know the answers to, such as:
1.) Is there anyone dumber with an IQ of 15o +?
2.) How stupid can anyone person be?
3.) Can we run a cross check with his DNA and Neadertal DNA and see what, if any variation exists?
4.) What species is he?
5.) How long has he been in love with Bill Dembski?
6.) Is it True Love, or just a school boy crush?
7.) Was he really a Marine? If so, what country?
8.) Has he ever met a donut he didn't like?
9.) Are Cheesy Poofs just a comfort food for DaveTard, or is it an obsession?
10). Was he born a moronic bully, or did he have to work at it?

Enquiring Minds Want To Know

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,14:12

Quote (Michael Tuite @ Jan. 25 2007,13:47)

*Doffs Cap*

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Posted: Jan. 25 2007,14:14

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Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 25 2007,12:51)

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GilDodgen 01/24/2007 8:57pm: The future of atheism is bleak, because humans are aware of their mortality, and are programmed with an ineluctable sense that their lives must have some ultimate purpose and meaning — otherwise, life is absurd. Despite claims to the contrary, atheism peddles nihilism as its ultimate product, and most people intuitively recognize this.

Gil: Were we programmed with such an intuition - with the ineluctable sense that our lives must have some ultimate purpose and meaning - our intuition would be of no help in deciding whether this proposition is true.

A programmed intuition is roughly as useful as a compass programmed to always tell us that we are facing north.

Arf!

We know the inerrant bible is inerrant because the inerrant bible tells us so!

True or false:

"This statement is false."

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