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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,10:33   

Quote (Zachriel @ May 19 2008,08:07)
If anything, a theory is a higher order of classification than a law, as a theory unifies and explains a variety of often disparate phenomena.

A perfect example being Newtonian Mechanics:  

3 Laws of Motion + Law of Universal Gravitation allows one to derive Kepler's Laws of Planetary Motion and explains why they work, but you still need all the conceptual stuff like inertia, force, action-at-a-distance, frames of reference, et cetera to understand what the laws are talking about in the first place.  Oh, and all the calculus and other mathematics required to compute anything.

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guthrie



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,11:10   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 19 2008,09:54)
Quote (dogdidit @ May 19 2008,09:44)
Hey guthrie, DT is talking to ya! :p

Shouting over the fence from the safety to Tardonia...

Naw, thats alright, I tangled with him at "Janiebelles" a couple of years ago.  
Thanks to Zachriel for pointing out the answer.  The problem with all science is that correcting the nutters who spew out erroneous talking points every minute, is that it takes 10 minutes to educate them about where they are even wrong.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,11:25   

Dave links to a report the researchers retracted.

*sigh*

All science so far...

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
guthrie



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,11:48   

Just the usual denialist tactics- jump on the first thing you find using google to support your case.
Entirely normal.

I once had good fun pointing out to a climate change denialist that the paper he thought supported his position instead supported mine.  After I'd pointed it, and his continnued non-reply to my questions about it, out across 2 comments threads he dissappeared for a while.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,11:53   

In case it disappears:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-288905
 
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DaveScot

05/19/2008

8:38 am
For Guthrie:

Please try to keep up.

Ocean temp data blogged here:

The Mystery of Global Warming’s Missing Heat

Josh Willis of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in 2003 completed the deployment of 3000 oceanic robots that dive 1 kilometer deep and record the water temperature. The unexpected result is that the robots have found that the ocean cooled slightly in the past 4 years.


Yes, Do try and keep up

Don't just bang words into google looking for something that will support your tinfoil hat crack-pottery. Actually be up to date.

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,12:41   

Hey, Dave,

Didn't you follow my link:
     
Quote (Alan Fox @ May 18 2008,06:42)
Edit: As for your assertion about the  ARGO project data, see here.

From the paper:
 
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Abstract.

Two significant instrument biases have been identified in the in situ profile data used to estimate globally integrated upper-ocean heat content. A large cold bias was discovered in a small fraction of Argo floats along with a smaller but more prevalent warm bias in expendable BathyThermograph (XBT) data. These biases appear to have caused the bulk of the upper-ocean cooling signal reported by Lyman et al.(2006) between 2003 and 2005. These systematic data errors are significantly larger than sampling errors in recent years, and are now the dominant sources of error in estimates of globally integrated upper-ocean heat content variability. The bias in the XBT data is found to be consistent with errors in the fall-rate equations, suggesting a physical explanation for that bias. With biased profiles discarded, no significant warming or cooling is observed in upper-ocean heat content between 2004 and 2006.

  
Advocatus Diaboli



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,12:57   

Dave should have let his wife subscribe to New Scientist. IIRC, last year New Scientist had a news item about the ARGO's "oops" data collecting.

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Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,13:02   

Dave,

Tim Ball,  formerly with Friends of Science, seems to have links with the gas and oil lobby.

  
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,13:15   

Quote (Alan Fox @ May 19 2008,14:02)
Dave,

Tim Ball,  formerly with Friends of Science, seems to have links with the gas and oil lobby.

He'll like this part:

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Dispute over qualifications to comment on global warming

   * Dan Johnson, a professor of environmental science at the University of Lethbridge, wrote in an April 23, 2006 letter to the editor of the The Calgary Herald in reply to an editorial by Dr. Ball: "... he does not have the academic background and qualifications to make serious comments on global warming". The newspaper had credited Ball as "the first climatology PhD in Canada and worked as a professor of climatology at the University of Winnipeg for 28 years."[11]. His biography for the George C. Marshall Institute also cites his being "a professor of climatology at the University of Winnipeg for 28 years".[12], and he has repeated "the fact that I was the first Canadian Ph.D. in Climatology" [13]
   * Ball could not have been a professor before receiving his PhD in 1983, only 23 years before the article.
   * Ball has also stated that "for 32 years I was a Professor of Climatology at the University of Winnipeg."[13]
   * Ball's resume shows that at the University of Winnipeg he was Associate Professor from 1984 to 1988, then Professor from 1988 to 1996, a total of 8 years.[14]
   * Ball was not "the first climatology PhD in Canada", but was in fact preceded by several well known Canadian PhD climatologists: e.g. Dr. Kenneth Hare, PhD in arctic climatology, 1950 [15], Dr. André Robert, PhD, 1965, [16], or Dr. Timothy Oke, PhD 1967 [17].
   * In September, 2006, Ball filed suit against Johnson and four editors at the Calgary Herald newspaper for $325,000 for, among other things, "damages to his income earning capacity as a sought after speaker with respect to global warming".[18]. In its response (point 50(d), p12), the Calgary Herald stated that "The Plaintiff (Dr. Ball) is viewed as a paid promoter of the agenda of the oil and gas industry rather than as a practicing scientist."(Original statement of claim, Defendant Johnson's answer, Defendant Calgary Herald's answer). In June 2007, Ball abandoned the suit.


Looks like he'd fit right in at UD.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,13:20   

Quote (dogdidit @ May 19 2008,10:00)
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 19 2008,09:54)
   
Quote (dogdidit @ May 19 2008,09:44)
Hey guthrie, DT is talking to ya! :p

Shouting over the fence from the safety to Tardonia...

I thought it was "Tardistan".

They seem to be non-stop on AGW denialism these days. Ran out of ID research to talk about, I suppose. With the Old Testament off limits, there's not much left to discuss, so anti-AGW it is! Uncommonly Warm!

Their falling for global warming denial is merely a symptom of a much larger science deficit.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,13:21   

Uh oh. Dave is a credulous pawn of 'Big Oil' spinners, googling long retracted works to deny science.

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,13:24   

I'd just like to add that I rate this episode. 3.8 Tards where 'ACLU-photoshop-marines' would be a 5 and "Darwin DIDNT lead to Hitler" would be a 0.

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,13:25   

Tom Harris has a little history, too.

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,13:28   

Quote (Advocatus Diaboli @ May 19 2008,12:57)
Dave should have let his wife subscribe to New Scientist. IIRC, last year New Scientist had a news item about the ARGO's "oops" data collecting.

This could  almost be a topic by itself

Magazines that Dave's wife could subscribe to:

1.  Cheesy Poof Monthly (Feature article for May - "Celebrity Chef Favorite Cheesy Poof Recipe's")

2.  Designer Diets (Featured article for May - "Real Men Eat Cheesy Poofs")

3.  Marine Magazine - For Manly Men (Featured Article for May - "M-60 vs. Mallards - Can YOU Measure Up"?

4.  Intelligent Design For Dummies - This month features
"It's All About The Science", and "Prayer of The Month"

Maybe you all can help Dave's wife out and come up with a couple more Birthday Gift Items for the Smartest Man In The World Living On A Houseboat.

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,13:32   

To be serious for a moment, Dave states he has three kids and three grand-kids. Has he no concern for their future? Will somebody explain the downside of reducing our dependency on fossil fuels.

Anyone?

Anyone?

  
guthrie



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,13:37   

Quote (Alan Fox @ May 19 2008,13:32)
To be serious for a moment, Dave states he has three kids and three grand-kids. Has he no concern for their future? Will somebody explain the downside of reducing our dependency on fossil fuels.

People who support middle eastern regimes and have shares in oil and gas might lose out?

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,13:42   

Quote (Alan Fox @ May 19 2008,13:32)
To be serious for a moment, Dave states he has three kids and three grand-kids. Has he no concern for their future? Will somebody explain the downside of reducing our dependency on fossil fuels.

Anyone?

Anyone?

And he's so quick to jump on Pascal's wager for 'design'.




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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,13:52   

Quote (J-Dog @ May 19 2008,14:28)
Maybe you all can help Dave's wife out and come up with a couple more Birthday Gift Items for the Smartest Man In The World Living On A Houseboat.

Hey, MacGyver lived on a houseboat.

Course, if MacGyver had actually been so smart he wouldn't have had a Jeep Wrangler.

   
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,13:53   

Denyse posts on behalf of Dembski again (he makes her do all the Baylor ones so it doesn't look like sour grapes) then he gets-a-commenting:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....er-news

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,14:01   

ID predicts: There will be no math in this thread...

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....r-other

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
PTET



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,14:33   

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William Dembski
05/19/2008
1:30 pm

During my seminary days in the mid 90s, the joke was that UCC (United Church of Christ) stands for Unitarians Considering Christ. It was by far the most liberal protestant denomination in the U.S. at the time, having approved, for instance, homosexual clergy well before the Episcopalians, Methodists, and Presbyterians got around to it. That the UCC should endorse materialist evolution at the expense of ID is therefore hardly surprising — if anything, it’s a recommendation for our cause.

STOP PRESS!

Dr Dr Dr DumbTard

A) Doesn't like TEH GAYZ any more than he likes Hitler and/or Darwin
B) Thinks Christians who accept evolution DENY CHRIST
C) Equates ID with conservative christianity yet again again again

Just when I thought I couldn't think any less of the guy.

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Even the attempt to formulate ID is a generous accommodation." - ScottAndrews

   
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,14:37   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 19 2008,11:53)
Denyse posts on behalf of Dembski again (he makes her do all the Baylor ones so it doesn't look like sour grapes) then he gets-a-commenting:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....er-news

Channeling DaveTard, embittered loser WAD bitches about liberals, mentions homos, even gets in a swipe at Obama, big surprise:

 
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William Dembski
05/19/2008
1:30 pm
During my seminary days in the mid 90s, the joke was that UCC (United Church of Christ) stands for Unitarians Considering Christ. It was by far the most liberal protestant denomination in the U.S. at the time, having approved, for instance, homosexual clergy well before the Episcopalians, Methodists, and Presbyterians got around to it. That the UCC should endorse materialist evolution at the expense of ID is therefore hardly surprising — if anything, it’s a recommendation for our cause.


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William Dembski
05/19/2008
1:31 pm
P.S. Barack Obama’s Jeremiah Wright is a UCC minister.


Hmmm. Bill you act *surprised* when church groups reject ID. Isn't ID supposed to have nothing to do with Christianity??

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,14:43   

*stares at bottle of Bowmore*

It's going to be the '404 drinking game' again, isn't it?

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,15:38   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 18 2008,15:04)
Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 15 2008,16:24)
 I now live in fear that I will be compelled to gay marry Arden.[/font]

Trust me Robert, I can do much better.

I forgot Arden was a chubby chaser.

Yes, Arden, you could do much better where high BMI is concerned.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,15:42   

Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 19 2008,15:38)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 18 2008,15:04)
Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 15 2008,16:24)
 I now live in fear that I will be compelled to gay marry Arden.[/font]

Trust me Robert, I can do much better.

I forgot Arden was a chubby chaser.

Yes, Arden, you could do much better where high BMI is concerned.

Hey, they're just short for their height, that's all.

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,15:46   

Quote (Louis @ May 18 2008,18:28)


Voice over guy: Or will it be exciting Batchelor number 3, Bobby? Spend literally microseconds of fun acting the twat on the internet with Momma's Basement Baby, Bobby. Guaranteed never to see the inside of a lady, unless Arden relents and shows him his collection, Bobby will be reporting to a tower near you with a high powered rifle (because Daddy told him his penis made him a bad boy) any day now. Don't forget the meds with THIS one, Arden.

Cilla Black: So Chuck, we've had a lorra lorra laffs. Which one will it be? Find out, after the break.....

{Blind Date Theme Tune}

Louis

Lois (I took the liberty of Americanizing your name by removing the extraneous 'u'):

Don't quit your day job to become Miss Cleo. Also, if you are going to continue to test the drugs on yourself despite my repeated admonitions, then at least up the dose until your delusions of adequacy abate.

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Caeli enarrant gloriam Dei

    
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,16:05   

I suspect this video would upset Denyse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVzY6MtAAkQ

I'll be she couldn't do it that fast with a little T-shirt on.

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,16:06   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 19 2008,14:01)
ID predicts: There will be no math in this thread...

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....r-other

Barry A:

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You know nothing else about the tree other than what you can infer from a visual inspection.


That is the IDers problem in a nutshell.  They know nothing about biology, in this instance, trees.

:D

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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,16:09   

Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 19 2008,13:38)
     
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 18 2008,15:04)
     
Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 15 2008,16:24)
 I now live in fear that I will be compelled to gay marry Arden.

Trust me Robert, I can do much better.
I forgot Arden was a chubby chaser.

Yes, Arden, you could do much better where high BMI is concerned.

You think I fancy Ed?

Bob, may I remind you that you are the one he named an award after, not me. Leave me out of whatever sick, codependent thing you two have going.

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Hey, they're just short for their height, that's all.


Richard says he has 'big bones'. I leave it to you to evaluate this statement.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2008,16:11   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 19 2008,16:09)
Richard says he has 'big bones'. I leave it to you to evaluate this statement.

That's "big boner". Gah! I've been negatively mutated. I suspect this will be in Tarden's sig. line.

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
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