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Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,15:17   

This is great. Barry says that IDs models are roughly as imprecise as those of economics. Economics is, ah, not much of a science.* It's sad that the Isaac Newton of information theory and paradigm-shifter for molecular biology can't surpass the social sciences in precision. Given the fairly high mathematical standards of biologists, I foresee a long, dark road ahead of those taking such a soft approach.

Also, "utility" as usually used is a very nebulous approximate model. You could, in principle, explain "utility" down to the minutia of human behavior and the desirability of resources it produces. The problem is that economy (and human behavior) is too complicated to model precisely by currently feasible methods, much like the electron paths in complex molecules. However, nobody rests their argument regarding an electron path on the things about it that they can't compute, nor do even economists** rest their arguments upon things that they can't detect. Could you imagine it?

"This part of the electron's path, which I cannot compute or verify and am essentially running on instinct for, clearly proves my theory."

"There is no evidence whatsoever that the markets display this effect, because it is so subtle. In fact, even if the effect existed, it would not be possible for me to quantify it. However, the existence of this effect clearly proves my theory."

I mean ... yeah.

*Translation: I would like to have a fistfight with some economists.

**Translation: Did I say fistfight? I meant gunfight.

ETA: Hey, and on top of that, didn't Dembski already produce equations for calculating CSI? That would mean that Barry is contradicting him.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,15:30   

Even betterer:

Granny Spice:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-289086


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O'Leary

05/21/2008

3:09 pm
Barry, are you saying that ratios might be more achievable than absolute numbers? ....


WOW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratio

Funny how all these ratios use two absolute numbers. Get back to knitting, Denyse.

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Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,15:34   

Ooooh man.

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But why would we need to quantify something in order to identify it. I can pick my wife out of a crowd without quantifying her.


So you don't look at her? There's no data coming in through the hundreds of millions of light receptors in your eyes. The billions of neurons in the visual processing areas of your brain do not respond to the visual stimuli, either. You just know, by MAGIC! HALLELUJAH!

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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,15:36   

More from DO'L:
 
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Also: Theories about CSI are not needed to dismiss the Darwinist superstition. The Darwinist superstition is that natural selection is a creative force. It isn’t, and it obviously isn’t.

Anyone can see this by looking at the difference between animals subjected to natural selection and animals protected by humans and artificially bred. Natural selection produces sameness; breeding (intelligent selection) produces creative differences.

So we do not know the source of the huge level of information in naturally occurring life forms, and it is probably too much to begin a project like this with.

Shorter version:
 
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Evidence-free personal incredulity.

WTF?

Non-sequitur.


Editation: linky

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,15:36   

batshit77 is adding a nice thick core of molten stupid to the tard cake...

"No Barry, Dr Quack-Quack says..."

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dnmlthr



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,15:37   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 21 2008,21:30)
Even betterer:
Granny Spice:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-289086

 
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O'Leary
05/21/2008

3:09 pm
Barry, are you saying that ratios might be more achievable than absolute numbers? ....


WOW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratio

Funny how all these ratios use two absolute numbers. Get back to knitting, Denyse.


Perhaps she's more into irrational numbers?

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,15:39   

Quote (dnmlthr @ May 21 2008,15:37)
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 21 2008,21:30)
Even betterer:
Granny Spice:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-289086

   
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O'Leary
05/21/2008

3:09 pm
Barry, are you saying that ratios might be more achievable than absolute numbers? ....


WOW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratio

Funny how all these ratios use two absolute numbers. Get back to knitting, Denyse.


Perhaps she's more into irrational numbers?

I think she thinks "lots", "some","little" and "tonnes" are ratios.

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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,15:48   

The current hot topic in ID research appears to be "Things which look like other things.  Therefore goddidit."  We've had trees which look like chairs, and (about two-thirds down here) proteins which look like writing.  Not to mention batshit77's Holy Protein of Jesus.

It's just a matter of time before they start trawling the archives of That's Life for vegetables which look like genitals.

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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,15:51   

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Funny how all these ratios use two absolute numbers. Get back to knitting, Denyse.


Hell no!  I'd like to keep those few brain cells that copious drinking and 10 years of eating fire haven't killed.

Please, Denyse, for the love all things beautiful, stick to the math.  It's stoopid without the arsenic-like induced paralysis.

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Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,15:54   

Every single post on that thread has something I want to respond to, so I'll restrain myself. Let me just say that pi, e, and the square root of two are all deeply offended at being associated with O'Dreary. Irrational-Americans are people too, you know. They have feelings.

But god she cannot do math. UD truly is the land of the blind, and the one-eyed are kings. Extremely sad kings who can do high school algebra easy (unlike Darwin!).

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,15:57   

Continuing my habit of posting about DI junk with nanometer-thin "it's on topic" justifications, I wonder how long before this Simmons  guy gets invited to write for UD:
   
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A design must be considered improbable if it is highly functional and durable yet too complex to have come about spontaneously or by intermediate steps. Think of the subway system in any large metropolitan area. Could the combination of tracks, stations, tunnels, signs, vending machines, stairwells, lighting, trains, billboards, ticket booths, turnstiles, benches, platforms, security measures, and restrooms have happened all at once or did it come about by stages? If these commuter systems were to follow the tenets of the theory of evolution, the tracks going off in every direction might be called links to the stations called species. How does one get from station to station without the tunnel, train, and tracks? In the theory of evolution, these kinds of intermediaries are abundantly missing.


Umm, sorry man, subway-ex-nihilo didn't happen either. Or is that your point?  You're not really making sense, so I'll assume you subscribe to the subway-all-at-once model. Well, any given one was built in stages, and has been continuously maintained, altered, extended and upgraded ever since, with no end in sight. You can find traces of the old system in the new by way of old engineering compromises carried over, tunnels sealed over,  et cetera. But, you're an ID hack and thus congenitally incapable of producing good analogies, so I'll cut you a little slack.  One thing that definitely doesn't evolve, in any sense of the word:  your crap "no transistional forms" argument.


   
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The wombat has an upside-down pouch. Scientists presume, and it makes sense, that position prevents dirt from entering the pouch when the wombat is digging in the ground. Could there have been transitional species with pouches situated sideways, or did the first wombats have to scoop dirt out of their pouches every day?


Did you just make that up?  So, what design criterion dictated giving Koalas a rear facing pouch?  It's really not that hard:  regulatory genes control development.  Genes can change.  Small changes in regulatory genes can have large effects on morphology.  In the wombat's case, a rearward pouch is advantageous in its burrowing lifestyle and thus visible to natural selection.  Plus you neglect the possibility that forward-facing pouches are the innovation in diprotodonts, and not the reverse. Are the details known?  No.  Does this matter?  Not really. Are you an IDiot? Yes.

He's one of the jackasses they sent over to Spain to shill for ID, and they've discussed him and his book on UD before, so I might actually be in the millimeter-thin range:

Dr. Geoff Simmons vs PZ Myers Debate
Medical Doctor writes new pro-ID book for grade-school kids
PSSI Takes the Debate to Spain, Darwinists React With Lies

(edited: formatting)
(again: apostrophes)

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Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

  
Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,15:59   

Hide the children, O'Leary's opening a new blog. May The Designer help us all.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,16:06   

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As noted top left, I want to write a book with a physicist that explains why the multiverse - the idea that there is an infinity of flopped universes out there - is a crock. (He would say the idea is "deeply problematic.")


It's always good to have your conclusion before your investigation.


But seriously, the linkfarm that is Denyse is hoping to harness Network Effects

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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,16:07   

Quote (Annyday @ May 21 2008,13:59)
Hide the children, O'Leary's opening a new blog. May The Designer help us all.

In other news: Every single Canadian physicist applies for asylum:
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Why?: Because I hope to write a book with a Canadian physicist about “God vs. the multiverse”: Is our universe fine-tuned for life or are there zillions of flopped universes out there, so that our universe is an accidentally tolerable place?


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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,16:12   

Quote (Annyday @ May 21 2008,15:59)
Hide the children, O'Leary's opening a new blog. May The Designer help us all.

That should help to ease the over-crowding on her current blogs.

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Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,16:25   

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O’Leary asks: “Barry, are you saying that ratios might be more achievable than absolute numbers?”

No, a ratio is achieved by putting one absolute number in the numerator and another absolute number in the denominator.


Barry proves that he has one eye. Congrats, Barry.

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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,16:37   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 21 2008,15:30)
Even betterer:
Granny Spice:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-289086
 
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O'Leary

05/21/2008

3:09 pm
Barry, are you saying that ratios might be more achievable than absolute numbers? ....

Strangely enough, that whole thread reminds me of an old Kliban cartoon...



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Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind
Has been obligated from the beginning
To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,16:54   

New UD posters website:

http://patriotprodigy.blogspot.com/


Woo, bodybuilding, science denying...

Move over DaveTard!

ETA:

I think he's going to Tordando-in-a-Junktard us..

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-289098

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F2XL

05/21/2008

4:40 pm
Let’s start off with what we’re quantifying. We are looking at a rotary flagellum commonly found in E. coli. We go with something simple, a 35 gene flagellar motor (one which Scott Minnich has proven to require all 35 of those genes) which because of gene size in an E. coli the flagellum is thus coded for by 49,000 base pairs.

The total amount of base pairs in the E. coli as a whole is about 4.7 million. Follow me so far?


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Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,17:58   

Sfunny that they never use the tornado analogy when they describe jeebus, who is far more complex than a single cell and he created himself out of nothing whatsoever.  A 747 assembling itself in a tornado or high winds in a junk yard is far more plausible than an all powerful deity creating himself from thin air.

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,18:03   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ May 21 2008,15:58)
Sfunny that they never use the tornado analogy when they describe jeebus, who is far more complex than a single cell and he created himself out of nothing whatsoever.  A 747 assembling itself in a tornado or high winds in a junk yard is far more plausible than an all powerful deity creating himself from thin air.

Dude, how wrong can you get?  Jesus didn't create himself out of thin air.  He created the thin air in the first place.  Stupid Darwinist.

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I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,20:04   

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BarryA

Any effort to give precise gradations of quantification to CSI is doomed to failure....Why am I going on about this?  Because many materialists commenting on this site frequently say, essentially, if one cannot quantify CSI then it is a meaningless concept.  This is false.  “Utility” cannot be quantified, but surely no one would suggest it does not exist or that it is not a useful concept in the field of economics.  Similarly, simply because CSI cannot always be precisely quantified is no reason to suggest that it does not exist or that it is not a useful concept in the study of objects to determine whether design is the most plausible explanation for their features.

This is deep. Neither can "bullshit" be quantified - yet we all just know that the proposition that CSI can be formalized to provide a mathematical and empirical foundation for a science of intelligent design is bullshit, pure and simple.

Even BlarneyA knows it.

Can we go home now?

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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,21:39   

Sounds like O'Leary is going full tilt at windmills.  The multiverse hypothesis has not been accepted by astronomers and astrophysicists.  It can't be tested at the moment (nor in the foreseeable future).  There's no chance it will be taught in school any time soon.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,21:49   

Quote (Annyday @ May 21 2008,13:17)
It's sad that the Isaac Newton of information theory and paradigm-shifter for molecular biology can't surpass the social sciences in precision. Given the fairly high mathematical standards of biologists, I foresee a long, dark road ahead of those taking such a soft approach.

Biology has been all a twitter the last 5 or so years about "networks."  Network analysis was begun by an anthropologist, Jay Barns in the 1950s.  The application of graph theory to network analysis was pioneered by social scientists in the 1970s. I still occasionally get requests for a copy of one of my 1983 conference   papers "An Application of Graph Centrality to Psychiatric Diagnosis." The numerical taxonomy of the early '70s was using programs developed by psychologists (See Sneath and Sokal).  The idea that biologists have greater math skills than the social scientists is bullshit.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,22:40   

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I hope to write a book with a Canadian physicist about “God vs. the multiverse”
What's so special about Canadian physicists?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2008,01:29   

I guess her British cloth maker physicist declined to help.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2008,06:58   

Presented for your pleasure without comment.

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Charlie: Interesting handle, Soplo Caseosa,
Would you mind translating it for my curiosity?
Thanks.


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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2008,07:17   

Kairosfocus brings the good stuff.    
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SC:
In re:

   I ask again, how is this different than a subjective assessment? I had thought CSI was a computational system developed by Dr. Dembski. I will be a bit discouraged if it has only advanced it to the “yes”, “no”, “more”, “less” level of formalization.

ALL measurements are digitisable. So, in principle [and in praxis too . . .] ALL measurements are a chain of yes/no, more/less decisions.

Equally — and as pointed out above — ALL measurements incorporate a subjective element. Indeed, ALL knowledge inevitably incorporates a subjective element. Further to this, every quantity is also about a quality: how much of X is in the end about in part recognising the presence/absence of X. Moreover, once we address information, as opposed to mere concatenations of elements forming a contingent whole, we are dealing with issues of intent, purpose, context etc — i.e the active mind, thus again the subjective.

Objectivity is about whether there is credibly more than the merely subjective, and CSI — especially FSCI — far and away passes that test.

In short you may be falling into dismissive, selective hyperskepticism; which is inevitably incoherent.

Shorter KF

I can't address your question about the emperor's lack of clothes, but if you just breathe more deeply from this pipe o'tard, you won't notice that any more.

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Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2008,08:01   

Quote (Dr.GH @ May 21 2008,21:49)
Quote (Annyday @ May 21 2008,13:17)
It's sad that the Isaac Newton of information theory and paradigm-shifter for molecular biology can't surpass the social sciences in precision. Given the fairly high mathematical standards of biologists, I foresee a long, dark road ahead of those taking such a soft approach.

Biology has been all a twitter the last 5 or so years about "networks."  Network analysis was begun by an anthropologist, Jay Barns in the 1950s.  The application of graph theory to network analysis was pioneered by social scientists in the 1970s. I still occasionally get requests for a copy of one of my 1983 conference   papers "An Application of Graph Centrality to Psychiatric Diagnosis." The numerical taxonomy of the early '70s was using programs developed by psychologists (See Sneath and Sokal).  The idea that biologists have greater math skills than the social scientists is bullshit.

I agree.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2008,08:55   

WAD:

 
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Do many worlds present a business opportunity? Would it be possible, for a modest fee, for people to have worlds named after them? Are worlds, like genes, patentable?

Or am I just dreaming? Would it be fair to say that a science is not a science unless there is money to be made off of it? Darwinists and global warming people seem to have learned that lesson.



Sing along,

Doctor, Doctor, Mister Bill D,
you gotta bad case of mammon envy!




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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2008,09:02   

Good lord, they can't quantify CSI, but they know it when they see it, so Dembski's math holds up even without the numbers, so they are too a science, just like economics......


   
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Big Tent chronicles … oh, and about my new blog …
O'Leary


(And whether Americans are better off with the risks of al Gore or of al Quaeda is, in my opinion, moot.)

But one thing the ID guys sure won’t need if they take the pay wallah’s advice is … a big tent.

Also: Yes, another new blog. I have further enraged a number of people (who don’t have enough to do) by starting a new blog: Welcome to Colliding Universes.

Why?: Because I hope to write a book with a Canadian physicist about “God vs. the multiverse”: Is our universe fine-tuned for life or are there zillions of flopped universes out there, so that our universe is an accidentally tolerable place?

At the blog, I will just make notes about things that may (or may not) find their way into the book. For example:

A friend fondly recalls physicist John Wheeler

Life on Mars?: Yes, when the Mars Hilton Convention Centre finally opens

Sure as the law of gravity, you say? Okay then, better check the refund policy …

Stuff I have already written on the bleeping multiverse, for which the multiverse (Inc.) is suing me for defamation … But not to worry, the writ went to zillions of wrong universes and won’t be back here for vermillion years.



 
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05/22/2008

8:13 am

Do many worlds present a business opportunity? Would it be possible, for a modest fee, for people to have worlds named after them? Are worlds, like genes, patentable?

Or am I just dreaming? Would it be fair to say that a science is not a science unless there is money to be made off of it? Darwinists and global warming people seem to have learned that lesson.


I was skeptical about multiple universes before, but D.O’L sure seems to be in another one from the rest of us.  

And the Dembski scam-the-rubes empire of publishing, business advising, and fine dining displays its true colors there.  

Maybe they are both dreaming of some other universe where ID is true, and they are respected.

It occurs to me that O'Leary is in some ways almost the exact opposite of Davison in the blogosphere.  Davison makes one blog that just grows and grows without subdividing or branching until it dies of bloat, while O'Leary keeps ferociously spinning off progeny until we have an infinity of infinitely insignificant entities.  Both are like failed e-universes, in that both are sterile wastelands that have given rise to nothing useful, which nobody wants to visit, and where nothing interesting ever happens.



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