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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,13:15   

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,13:37   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 13 2007,13:15)
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Rich - I think Kristine's witchiness is rubbing off on us -

I found a secret link to where the IDers are getting most of their ideas from, and when I went to post it, I saw your link to Dense-eys latest...clearly she has been using this procedure for some time now.

http://scienceblogs.com/retrospectacle/2007/09/hallucinogenic_sage.php

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,13:48   

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....on-line
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factician



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,15:55   

http://mindfulhack.blogspot.com/2007....ce.html

Denyse writes beautiful prose without irony:

 
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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,16:24   

Quote (factician @ Sep. 13 2007,15:55)
http://mindfulhack.blogspot.com/2007....ce.html

Denyse writes beautiful prose without irony:

 
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When you don't know much about a topic, you can easily believe things that you would never believe if you did.

The utter lack of self-awareness aside, Denyse writes like a 12-year-old with a big vocabulary.

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Steviepinhead



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,16:44   

Arden, you're about to find yourself extremely unpopular with the 12-year-olds-with-big-vocabulary crowd.

  
BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,18:31   

Speaking as a twelve year old with a big vocabulary, I stammer in outrage.

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dochocson



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,19:08   

Quote (factician @ Sep. 13 2007,15:55)
http://mindfulhack.blogspot.com/2007....ce.html

Denyse writes beautiful prose without irony:

   
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When you don't know much about a topic, you can easily believe things that you would never believe if you did.

Wow. I had a serious Stuart Smiley moment reading that...

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hooligans



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,19:44   

I have done a quick analysis of O'leary's blog. My conclusion is that Dense doesn't get out much and she never talks to real people.
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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,20:22   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 13 2007,11:32)
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I used to wonder if Davetard would realize he's making a fool of himself and quit, but I think he's too invested at this point.

So you're suggesting that there's like a Chandreskwhosit's Limit for Tard, wherein once it reaches that particular event horizon there is no return to reality?

I suggest Davetard's using the same illogic as Salvador. Salvador said he decided christianity must be true since he'd supported missionaries who'd gotten killed. If christianity wasn't true then Salvador encouraged people to their pointless deaths, and that would make him a major-leage asshole, therefore it must be true.

It's horrendously bad reasoning, but Davetard's probably operating much the same way. If he ever realizes Dembski's a fraud he'll repress it. After all, if Dembski's a fraud then Davetard's been duped for years and we've been right, and that simply can't be. So Dembski has to be right.

Edited by stevestory on Sep. 13 2007,21:24

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,20:30   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 13 2007,11:40)
[blah blah blah all that stuff arden said about Davetard last page]

I also think your take is pretty much dead-on.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,20:52   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 13 2007,12:55)
Plus, the political dimension of it is very important to Dave, and it's probably how he chose ID in the first place: being a foot soldier for ID gives him a way to think he's sticking it to those pointy headed liberal science types who didn't get everything they know from Scientific American. It's his way of doing his bit for the 'culture wars' in his retirement.

The Discovery Institute is funded by Dominionists. It is first and foremost a culture war activity. You are right about his motivations. Dembski, Phil Johnson, Salvador, FtK...how many of these ID nuts would we hear from if not for the culture war aspect? The evolution defenders are primarily scientists because evolution is science. The IDers are primarily culture warriors because ID is about the culture war.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,21:14   

Quote (k.e @ Sep. 13 2007,12:57)
I think Bill probably lets Dave eat all he wants at his grease shop and afterwards they get together and enjoy one of Bill finest single malts. It wouldn't surprise me if BillAD pours Mekong into an old Laphroaig bottle and has a quiet giggle at D.T.s expense.

When I was in college I worked in several coffeeshops. If you do anything day in, day out, you get remarkably sensitive. When I worked at Caribou in 2001, I had a girlfriend who would stop by there on the way to my apartment, pick up two cups, and my task was to identify them by smell/taste, which I could do about 80% of the time. Mocha Java was downright easy, Sumatra child's play, and Jamaican Blue Mountain a gimme. Blends like Daybreak were harder. I don't have an especially good palate, but like I said, you get sensitive over time to subtle differences. You get to where you can smell the volcanic ash taste of Sumatran coffees, the lemony scent from Kenya, the green taste of light roasts, the thick oiliness of French Roasts, etc. Telling decaf from caf was easy, though the new Swiss Water Method makes it slightly harder. I know a guy in chapel hill who can guess the timing of an espresso shot to within about 1 second, whereas I can only guess within about 3-4. I've had so much fresh gourmet coffee that's if it's been sitting in the pot for even 30 minutes and it'll taste oxidized, burnt, and gross to me. Anyway, all this background is for the following comment: Of all the chains, Caribou serves the best coffee. The stuff in the pot was selected from the top 5 or so percent of coffee beans in the world. It was roasted probably about two weeks ago by experts, and came off the trees within the last 2-3 months. Whereas supermarket coffee comes from crap beans, was roasted 6 months ago in a factory by someone who responds to a preset alarm, and on the tree last year sometime. And I have to confess, once or twice we snuck Folgers into the pot, gave it to customers, and not a single customer said anything.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,21:26   

Also speaking to k.e.'s point, in Florida I knew a good-looking, well-read guy who fancied himself a sophisticated bon vivant. He would smoke Dunhills, but if you watched you saw he never inhaled, he was quick to drop names, etc. One day he said to me "You know, I'm surprised by those cappuccino machines at the gas station. They actually deliver quite fine cappuccinos." I had to stifle myself, because the sugary, milky junk from those machines is to a real cappuccino as Paris Hilton is to Audrey Hepburn.

   
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,21:36   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 14 2007,04:52)
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Plus, the political dimension of it is very important to Dave, and it's probably how he chose ID in the first place: being a foot soldier for ID gives him a way to think he's sticking it to those pointy headed liberal science types who didn't get everything they know from Scientific American. It's his way of doing his bit for the 'culture wars' in his retirement.

The Discovery Institute is funded by Dominionists. It is first and foremost a culture war activity. You are right about his motivations. Dembski, Phil Johnson, Salvador, FtK...how many of these ID nuts would we hear from if not for the culture war aspect? The evolution defenders are primarily scientists because evolution is science. The IDers are primarily culture warriors because ID is about the culture war.

That's the only thing that keeps D.T. in the tent.

If this argument was going on at the time Darwin was baskin in the glow of Origin D.T. would be nailing slavery apologetics pamphlets to church walls …….after the fall……..of the Confederacy.

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,21:53   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 14 2007,05:26)
Also speaking to k.e.'s point, in Florida I knew a good-looking, well-read guy who fancied himself a sophisticated bon vivant. He would smoke Dunhills, but if you watched you saw he never inhaled, he was quick to drop names, etc. One day he said to me "You know, I'm surprised by those cappuccino machines at the gas station. They actually deliver quite fine cappuccinos." I had to stifle myself, because the sugary, milky junk from those machines is to a real cappuccino as Paris Hilton is to Audrey Hepburn.

pfffffft Audrey truly was plastic, a total confection, a sugary nothing. I always prefered Lauren Bacall.

Paris just can't act, but I can't wait for her next 'movie'. Oh BTW Paris, if you are reading this, I haven't dirtied myself by actually looking at your first movie, I'm waiting for you to grow up, that way you'll be able to keep up with me and I might be surprised.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,21:57   

Dave, you read this, and are an expert on everything. Who do *YOU* think the designer is?



PS - I love you.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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ERV



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,22:02   

I officially get more hits from you guys than UD.  A message board gets more hits than THE Intelligent Design blog.

ROFL!

YOU ALL ARE THE ONLY ONES READING UD HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,22:06   

Quote (ERV @ Sep. 13 2007,22:02)
I officially get more hits from you guys than UD.  A message board gets more hits than THE Intelligent Design blog.

ROFL!

YOU ALL ARE THE ONLY ONES READING UD HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Please, ERV, have your say:

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....;t=5162

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"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,22:08   

Zachriel deserves some sort of award for distinguished service over at http://telicthoughts.com/scifi-and-id/#comments:

 
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#  Zachriel Says:
September 12th, 2007 at 12:37 pm |

 
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   Bradford: If one looks at proximate causes one can construct a case for ID.


What is the proximate cause?


 
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# Bradford Says:
September 12th, 2007 at 12:50 pm |

 
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   Bradford: If one looks at proximate causes one can construct a case for ID.

   Zachriel: What is the proximate cause?

It depends on what you are looking at. One of the focal points I believe to be helpful to ID is the exploration of minimal genomes. It seems to me that IDists would be well advised to consider this an area of research within which varying hypotheses could be constructed and tested much like their counterparts do with respect to abiogenesis. The overarching principle would be the position that a minimal level exists but varies within a range that is linked to the nature of the organism cited. Exploration of proximate causes, that lead to the demise of a specific organism when the threshhold is transgressed because function x is not present, would simultaneously lead us to a better understanding of minimal function. Only then would we be in a good position to assert that gradual, incremental process y leads to (or does not lead to) the minimal function of organism z.


 
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   Bradford: If one looks at proximate causes one can construct a case for ID.


You forgot the proximate cause.


 
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# Bradford Says:
September 12th, 2007 at 12:57 pm |

 
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 Bradford: If one looks at proximate causes one can construct a case for ID.


   You forgot the proximate cause.

I did not forget it. I await the reserach results that would reveal it.



 
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   Bradford: I did not forget it. I await the reserach results that would reveal it.


Okay. Then this,

 
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   Bradford: If one looks at proximate causes one can construct a case for ID.


means this,

 
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   If one looks for proximate causes one might one day construct a case for ID.


Zachriel had a nice use of overstrike, and regrettably I can't reproduce it, so I bolded instead.  Anyway, an elegant deflation of an bogus claim.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,22:11   

Quote (ERV @ Sep. 13 2007,23:02)
I officially get more hits from you guys than UD.  A message board gets more hits than THE Intelligent Design blog.

ROFL!

YOU ALL ARE THE ONLY ONES READING UD HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

We have been amused for some time with the fact that more of us are laughing at UD than are taking UD seriously.

BTW erv, we love your blog. Keep up the good work.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,22:15   

Quote (ERV @ Sep. 14 2007,06:02)
I officially get more hits from you guys than UD.  A message board gets more hits than THE Intelligent Design blog.

ROFL!

YOU ALL ARE THE ONLY ONES READING UD HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

R U CALLING US HOMOS!!!NINETYNINE!! COTTAGE MONKEY?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,22:17   

Zachriel might be, pound for pound, the best poster here on UD matters.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,22:19   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 13 2007,22:17)
Zachriel might be, pound for pound, the best poster here on UD matters.

NOT IF I LOSE 160 LBS. HOMO.  :angry:

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,22:22   

Wah wah Baylor, write a letter to a complain:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....ics-lab

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,22:35   

From RTH's link above ....is this Tardy enough?

 
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There seems to be a cognitive dissonance on the part of Baylor’s administrators ( and I am being kind here ).

I note that after Prof. Marks meeting with the administrators ( which ended amicably by what I read ), the meeting in fact ended in PRAYER. That’s right *PRAYER*.

Now here’s the question to ask — are they praying to God ? if so, then God, by definition is the creator of the universe. And if he is the creator, He necessarilly is the intelligent designer.

Yet, here we are — an administration that prays to the designer while simulataneously preventing any research that tries to discover the designer’s handiwork.

This is a case of cognitive dissonance. It would be more honest if we had a school that simply says — we don’t believe in intelligent design or any God who created the universe.

Here, we have a school whose administrators profess to believe in the designer while at the same time frowning on any research trying to understand the designer’s creation.


One can add of course add that if you declare a logical set of "everything was designed and created by god" then everything you discover about that creation is the work of 'god' ....ergo evolution is the work of god.

Only someone who thinks they are god can then say 'no I don't want evolution to be part of creation'.

WHADAYA THINK D.T.? IS THERE A GOD FOR AGNOSTICS?AND IS SHE THE SAME AS LARRY CRAIGS GOD (WHO IS GAY).

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,22:56   

On his blog Dembski writes:

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At this point the only thing that would work is if the Baylor Board of Regents placed his job in jeopardy (Board of regent member to President Lilley: “What about academic freedom don’t you understand?”)


So, Dembski thinks that emails from a bunch of crackpot creationists to the Board is going to put pressure on the Board to give Lilley the Lecture.

Really.

Do you think Dembski uses dolls to help him act out these fantasies?

Dembski is GI Joe and Lilley is Elmo, maybe?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,23:04   

[quote=Doc Bill,Sep. 14 2007,06:56]On his blog Dembski writes:

 
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Do you think Dembski uses dolls to help him act out these fantasies?


No ....but I do.

I always leave the RTH doll in the bottom of the toy box, he's constantly upstaging me.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,23:08   

Quote (k.e @ Sep. 13 2007,23:04)
I always leave the RTH doll in the bottom of the toy box, he's constantly upstaging me.



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,23:15   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Sep. 13 2007,22:56)
Do you think Dembski uses dolls to help him act out these fantasies?

Dembski is GI Joe and Lilley is Elmo, maybe?

Doc,

My wife is officially pissed at you.

The belly laugh woke her up.

Just so y'know.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
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