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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2007,13:35   

Fine tuning...nah.

http://cosmicvariance.com/2007....nations

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Jim_Wynne



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2007,15:17   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 15 2007,13:35)
Fine tuning...nah.

http://cosmicvariance.com/2007....nations

The best part of that thread is this exchange in the comments, where Moshe asks,
 
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Probably an obvious thing I am missing, but why can?t life form from dark matter?

and Dark Matter Man responds,
 
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Moshe: it can, but sex loses a lot of its fun when you just keep flying through each other.


BTW, any mention of fine-tuning will summon Heddle and his bottomless bag of logical fallacies.

Edit: typo

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2007,16:04   

mentalist Mentok gets suckered into a "who designed the designer" variant, and does badly.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2007,16:09   

SPAMPERMIA!!

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Jim_Wynne



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2007,17:07   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 15 2007,16:04)
mentalist Mentok gets suckered into a "who designed the designer" variant, and does badly.

From Mentok's comment:
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God had to have a transformational cause in order to become what God is today. What this means is that the God of today has the knowledge on how to build the natural world within which we exist.


Perhaps an apocryphal story, but someone is said to have remarked about Dorothy Parker that she was smarter than god.  When asked whether she thought this was true or not, her answer was, "No, but I'm probably smarter than He was at the same age."

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blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2007,17:31   

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Aug. 15 2007,17:07)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 15 2007,16:04)
mentalist Mentok gets suckered into a "who designed the designer" variant, and does badly.

From Mentok's comment:
 
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God had to have a transformational cause in order to become what God is today. What this means is that the God of today has the knowledge on how to build the natural world within which we exist.


Perhaps an apocryphal story, but someone is said to have remarked about Dorothy Parker that she was smarter than god.  When asked whether she thought this was true or not, her answer was, "No, but I'm probably smarter than He was at the same age."

Is Mentok a Mormon?

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Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2007,18:51   

Quote (Rob @ Aug. 15 2007,10:53)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 15 2007,09:49)
Anybody invited him here? :)

A few of us have pointed Dr. Olofsson to the parallel discussion taking place here.  I have to say that he's as gracious over email as he is on UD.  He's truly a class act, which is probably one of the reasons that Dave felt so threatened by him.

I've invited him, but he's pretty busy.  I think he was surprised at how much the pileup of nonsense at UD cost in terms of time.

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Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2007,18:55   

Beautiful.  

Art2 asks:
   
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(If this goes thru, then I have a question - do some URLs cause a comment to be deleted without warning? I?m trying to figure out where another comment went.)

DS lies in response:
   
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art

Comments sometimes get eaten for reasons unknown.

You know why, Dave.  You ass.

Edit: I've added that to my signature quotes.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2007,22:33   

Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 15 2007,18:55)
Beautiful. ?

Art2 asks:
? ?  
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(If this goes thru, then I have a question - do some URLs cause a comment to be deleted without warning? I?m trying to figure out where another comment went.)

DS lies in response:
? ?  
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art

Comments sometimes get eaten for reasons unknown.

You know why, Dave. ?You ass.

Edit: I've added that to my signature quotes.

The spam filter is full of CSI / intelligent agency. It can't occur naturally. It violates SLoT.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2007,22:54   

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"Comments sometimes get eaten for reasons unknown." -- DaveScot


And the other times?

DT's dandruff must be getting on his black shirt.


ACHTUNG HOMOS. VE VILL DECIDE VHO POSTS UND VHEN.!!! d.t.

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djmullen



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,01:38   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Aug. 15 2007,11:22)
Gil gets theomological:
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Cosmological ID — Who Designed the Designer?
GilDodg'em

Some insights can totally change one’s perspective. One of those insights for me was learning that time had a beginning at the origin of the universe. (Oops, “beginning” implies a point on the time line, so let’s change that to “a point of appearing.”) If time came into existence, then the cause of the universe could not have had a cause, or a history, or a beginning, or a designer, because all of these require that the cause of the universe be located on the time line of the universe, which did not exist prior to the creation of the universe. (Oops, can’t use “prior to” because that implies time.)

Thus, the question of who designed the designer is meaningless when it comes to the origin of the universe. The designer must be “it is that it is,” or if “it” is personal, “I am that I am.”

I realize that this twists one’s brain into a Mobius strip, but it does make sense if you think about it.

If moebius strip is the best you can muster, this may make sense. Those of us capable of being everted into a Klein Bottle understand the actual import of your musing is that the assertion of a cosmological "designer" is itself meaningless.

Look at the response from saxe17: Pure Tard! ?  
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I don?t believe the concept of cause and effect dictates every cause requires a cause. It only requires that every cause has an effect and every effect has a cause. Where does one get the idea that every cause necessarily belongs to an antecedent cause? The concept of infinite causes being mandatory is illogical and also just plain silly.
Thanks
And thank you, Mr. saxe17. ?May I ask if you use a bong or roll your own?

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,03:52   

Tardboy:
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Comments sometimes get eaten for reasons unknown.

Yeah, like when a "server glitch" "accidentally" deleted the comments of my second UD alter ego, woctor.

(Not that it made any difference. I came back under at least seven other names before getting too bored to bother with it any more. I might very well hold the record for "most banned" at UD.)

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Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,06:26   

Quote (keiths @ Aug. 16 2007,03:52)
Tardboy:
 
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Comments sometimes get eaten for reasons unknown.

Yeah, like when a "server glitch" "accidentally" deleted the comments of my second UD alter ego, woctor.

(Not that it made any difference. I came back under at least seven other names before getting too bored to bother with it any more. I might very well hold the record for "most banned" at UD.)

Kairosfocus labors under the illusion that Olofsson has not been banned.  I sent Kf the following email:

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Dear Kairosfocus,

Hermagoras here.  Like me before him, Professor Olofsson seems to have been banned by DaveScot, and he can't answer your questions on that forum.  In fact, DaveScot scrubbed his last post but not before it briefly appeared.  It is captured here but the link [to UD] no longer works.  Atom followed up, but DaveScot scrubbed that too.  Then Art2 asked a question about that, and DaveScot responded by claiming ignorance, when everybody who's watching UD from the realm of the banned knows perfectly well what happened, and that DaveScot lied about doing it.

You've been very quick to accuse those with whom you disagree of using "rhetorical" tricks and of arguing in bad faith.  You did it with me, and you did it with Professor Olofsson.  I think you're trigger-happy with that accusation and usually wrong on the merits (for example, PO did not engage in ad hominem).  Further, you argue strongly -- I would say rhetorically -- while accusing others of making "rhetorical" points.  Hence PO's mention that having you as a referee is like Federer referee Wimbeldon. You always see the rhetorical splinter in the other's eye, not the rhetorical planks in your own.

But that's neither here nor there. Rather, I wanted to write and let you know two things: (1) you're making those accusations on a forum moderated by DaveScot, a documented liar (see above); and (2) If PO does not respond to your latest post in the thread at UD, it's because DaveScot has banned him, erased his last posting, and then lied about it.    

Hermagoras


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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,06:46   

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kairosfocus: Prof PO (and all . . .)

Seems there is life yet in this thread that keeps going and going.

No, there's not.

DaveScot threatened Olofsson with banning, and he left the building before security arrived. Denizens of Uncommon Descent pretend to have an open discussion, just as you pretend to lecture a university teacher of statistics and probability on statistics and probability.



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While goin' the road to sweet Athy Alingsas, hurroo, hurroo
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Venus Mousetrap



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,08:33   

I just wanted to unlurk and offer you all my congrats, as OUDDT approaches its 600th (page) birthday. I've been lurking since around 400, it's one of my guilty pleasures. ;)

I actually started reading UD in the days when it first seemed respectable. No, really. Please don't kill me. :) Somehow Dembski has this ability to project a shield of authenticity that none of the other ID chaps have, although two years of him machine gunning his feet off have weakened it quite a lot.

Again, thanks for all your hard work, and may this thread live long after UD has peri... no, wait, that won't work.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,09:44   

Oh, don't worry VM.  If UD goes, we'll just find another ID blog to mock (I can think of at least one  ;-))

Bob

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,10:21   

Boy djmullen I hope you wear protection when you dredge that tard!

?
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Cosmological ID — Who Designed the Designer?
GilDodg'em

Some insights can totally change one’s perspective. One of those insights for me was learning that time had a beginning at the origin of the universe. (Oops, “beginning” implies a point on the time line, so let’s change that to “a point of appearing.”) If time came into existence, then the cause of the universe could not have had a cause, or a history, or a beginning, or a designer, because all of these require that the cause of the universe be located on the time line of the universe, which did not exist prior to the creation of the universe. (Oops, can’t use “prior to” because that implies time.)

Thus, the question of who designed the designer is meaningless when it comes to the origin of the universe. The designer must be “it is that it is,” or if “it” is personal, “I am that I am.”

I realize that this twists one’s brain into a Mobius strip, but it does make sense if you think about it


Here pass me that Klien bottle bong, you need a little bit of Moroccan in it raastaman, now light it up on the edge of a black hole and lie back. Sci. Am. how to build a time machine

See, that was easy wasn't it? The Designer made black holes so he could zip around the universe in no time and be in two places at once.

Tell me black holes weren't designed? It's obvious isn't it? Jesus just has to be in one, how else is he going to last an eternity.

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....At the surface of a neutron star, gravity is so strong that time is slowed by about 30 percent relative to Earth time. Viewed from such a star, events here would resemble a fast-forwarded video. A black hole represents the ultimate time warp; at the surface of the hole, time stands still relative to Earth. This means that if you fell into a black hole from nearby, in the brief interval it took you to reach the surface, all of eternity would pass by in the wider universe. The region within the black hole is therefore beyond the end of time, as far as the outside universe is concerned. If an astronaut could zoom very close to a black hole and return unscathed--admittedly a fanciful, not to mention foolhardy, prospect--he could leap far into the future.



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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,10:51   

Quote (djmullen @ Aug. 16 2007,07:38)
Look at the response from saxe17: Pure Tard! ? ? ?  
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I don?t believe the concept of cause and effect dictates every cause requires a cause. It only requires that every cause has an effect and every effect has a cause. Where does one get the idea that every cause necessarily belongs to an antecedent cause? The concept of infinite causes being mandatory is illogical and also just plain silly.
Thanks
And thank you, Mr. saxe17. ?May I ask if you use a bong or roll your own?

Now I think I can honestly say that on occasion I've smoked a bit of weed (not any more, obviously. Honest, Officer/Mum, it was just a phase). I have, after all been to Amsterdam more than once. I even went there for my stag weekend (weekend, bah, more like the culmination of a stag life at that point).

During my stag weekend I thought "Hey ho, I've never hallucinated, I'll try magic mushrooms".

Mistake.

Now I'm at least relatively sure I enjoyed myself, I was for a period invisible and invulnerable and my future wife was a tree of some description or possibly a woman, I remember not being very sure, however I STILL to this day, the better part of a decade later, owe at least 3 of my very best friends a lot of very serious favours.

Even after a weekend's heavy smoking and drinking and two full bags of what the chap in the head shop described as "The Madman" (the capo di tutti capi of his 'shroom selection) coupled to consumption of a Kit Kat (the cognoscenti will know why) I was incapable of blistering tard like that of Mr. saxe17. That takes talent.

Mr. saxe 17, I, and my only recently recovered lungs and brain, salute you!

Louis

P.S. Added in edit: I think that a comedian said about an assassination attempt on Bob Marley that the reason it failed is because the bullets entered a cloud of pot smoke around Bob so dense and powerful that they simply forgot why the came and sloped off for some pizza. Like the pot protected Bob on that fateful day, I feel that we should all be heavily hitting the bong (chock full of the excellent White Widow from the Greenhouse Effect on the Warmoesstraat, although some prefer their Jack Herrer/Northern lights blend) in order to save ourselves from serious brain injuries whilst reading the Tard at UD. Remember people, drugs can get you better through times of no money than money can get you through times of no drugs. Long live the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers!

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,11:39   

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Long live the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers!


So that's what they were called, I always thought they were "The Feakulous Fribby Fronk Blithers".

Did you know that you should never have sex while you are stoned, unless I'm like, there....man.

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,12:00   

Louis sez:  
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Now I think I can honestly say that on occasion I've smoked a bit of weed (not any more, obviously. Honest, Officer/Mum, it was just a phase).

Etc.
That whole post is the funniest thing I've read in a long time.  I cried laughing.

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,12:07   

Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 16 2007,20:00)
Louis sez: ?
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Now I think I can honestly say that on occasion I've smoked a bit of weed (not any more, obviously. Honest, Officer/Mum, it was just a phase).

Etc.
That whole post is the funniest thing I've read in a long time. ?I cried laughing.

OH YOU THINK THAT WAS FUNNY EH? WELL CHECK THIS OUT

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"It's fabulous," exulted Brian, my bearded gay friend. "I get to be Jesus at the Easter Fetish performance party. First I'm laid out on a pink marble slab, with only a wisp of loincloth about me. Then -- hallelujah! Resurrection!"


FROM

WAS JESUS GAY?

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
CCP



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,12:55   

Hello, all. Thought I, too, would delurk to help celebrate the impending page 600. I have been lurking here and reading your stuff (and posting once or twice, nothing very memorable) since double-digit page numbers...thanks for all the laffs.
-CCP aka Sven DiMilo

  
hooligans



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,12:58   

Okay! Which one of you went undercover to post this nugget?
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08/15/2007
1:13 pm
As more and more journalists get hip to ID, the biologists will see their hegemony over science crumble.


Is this rich TARD or what?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,13:10   

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rrf
08/15/2007
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As more and more journalists get hip to ID, the biologists will see their hegemony over science crumble.

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get hip to ID,


I've heard that up-to-date youth slang brings in the teenagers in droves.


The word 'hegemony' kinda wrecks it, tho. :(

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,13:15   

SHUT UP YOU KRAYZEE KATS. I AM TOTALLY DOWN WITH TEH ID, BUT ITS DA MAN WHO DOESN'T WANT WANT CHOO TO KNOW. Y'ALL DIG?

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,13:56   

Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 16 2007,18:00)
Louis sez: ?
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Now I think I can honestly say that on occasion I've smoked a bit of weed (not any more, obviously. Honest, Officer/Mum, it was just a phase).

Etc.
That whole post is the funniest thing I've read in a long time. ?I cried laughing.

Glad to be of service. Obiviously I hated every single moment of it and I am profoundly sorry.

Remind me not to mention the time I went back to see if this time I could get it right and repeated the mistake. But this time with a combination of weed, beer, mushrooms and cocaine. Bad, bad, BAD idea.

Oh wait...DAMN!

It wasn't big or clever, but I did briefly get an interesting nickname and spend 1 hour 45 minutes on a toilet in bar. It was an interesting experience. Again mostly for me. My wife, who was with me at the time, has only recently become amused by it. Luckily I've just made dinner and done the washing up so I shouldn't get reminded of it tonight at least! ;)

And there are people who doubt that their mind and their whole perception of reality are chemically based. BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.*

Louis

*Although it is possibly not advisable to attempt the Leary-esque experiments I did.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,17:09   

Quote (k.e @ Aug. 16 2007,09:21)
Boy djmullen I hope you wear protection when you dredge that tard!

? ?  
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Cosmological ID — Who Designed the Designer?
GilDodg'em

Some insights can totally change one’s perspective. One of those insights for me was learning that time had a beginning at the origin of the universe. (Oops, “beginning” implies a point on the time line, so let’s change that to “a point of appearing.”) If time came into existence, then the cause of the universe could not have had a cause, or a history, or a beginning, or a designer, because all of these require that the cause of the universe be located on the time line of the universe, which did not exist prior to the creation of the universe. (Oops, can’t use “prior to” because that implies time.)

Thus, the question of who designed the designer is meaningless when it comes to the origin of the universe. The designer must be “it is that it is,” or if “it” is personal, “I am that I am.”

I realize that this twists one’s brain into a Mobius strip, but it does make sense if you think about it


Here pass me that Klien bottle bong, you need a little bit of Moroccan in it raastaman, now light it up on the edge of a black hole and lie back. Sci. Am. how to build a time machine

See, that was easy wasn't it? The Designer made black holes so he could zip around the universe in no time and be in two places at once.

Tell me black holes weren't designed? It's obvious isn't it? Jesus just has to be in one, how else is he going to last an eternity.

?  
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....At the surface of a neutron star, gravity is so strong that time is slowed by about 30 percent relative to Earth time. Viewed from such a star, events here would resemble a fast-forwarded video. A black hole represents the ultimate time warp; at the surface of the hole, time stands still relative to Earth. This means that if you fell into a black hole from nearby, in the brief interval it took you to reach the surface, all of eternity would pass by in the wider universe. The region within the black hole is therefore beyond the end of time, as far as the outside universe is concerned. If an astronaut could zoom very close to a black hole and return unscathed--admittedly a fanciful, not to mention foolhardy, prospect--he could leap far into the future.

Heh, you missed this: ?
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Even if time travel isn't strictly paradoxical, it is certainly weird. Consider the time traveler who leaps ahead a year and reads about a new mathematical theorem in a future edition of Scientific American. He notes the details, returns to his own time and teaches the theorem to a student, who then writes it up for Scientific American. The article is, of course, the very one that the time traveler read. The question then arises: Where did the information about the theorem come from? Not from the time traveler, because he read it, but not from the student either, who learned it from the time traveler. The information seemingly came into existence from nowhere, reasonlessly.

Quotminetastic!

(Yes, yes, Rich, I know. I'll get to it.) :)

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,17:48   

Re "The question then arises: Where did the information about the theorem come from?"

A parallel universe? I figure that "paradoxes" like that either don't happen, or actually involve shift(s) between parallel universes, even though the people involved might not notice that.

(Though my guess would be that time travel doesn't happen, at least not for anything bigger than a quantum particle - but it's still an interesting concept to think about.)

Henry

  
Steviepinhead



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,18:57   

I have it on reasonable authority from Lenny's friend Pizza Guy that, however hot and tasty his pizzas may be, they are not guaranteed to divert marijuana-dazed bullets from penetrating their original targets.

Whatever Bob Marley's experience may have been.

It's true that a few dazed bullets have fluttered into the pizza shop, but at least some of them were slathered with wet red stuff.

...Before they got to the tomato sauce.

This may, thus, be another instance of "Don't try this at home."

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,20:26   

Re ""Intelligent Design: For People Who Don't Like Any Surprises." "

Really?

I'd think ID would generate even more surprises than evolution, since everything that's surprising to a scientist would also be surprising to an IDer, plus most of the stuff that's explained by evolution theory would also be a surprise to one who doesn't accept that explanation.

Or am I confused?

Henry

  
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