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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2007,06:22   

Quote (Patrick Caldon @ Aug. 09 2007,05:52)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 09 2007,04:24)
that page is now a 404 error!
funny thing is that if you search UD using the internal search feature the thread appears, but click on the link and it's gone.

Internal Search

Google Cache of the page

We're having a UD timewarp to 3 1/2 weeks ago.  At the moment it reads that the most recent entry was on the 15th of July.

Maybe they've tried to ban most of the last month.

One hopes they get their web server back up soon.

ah, so it's not a wholesale jump into the memory hole? Shame, but I bet DS and Dr Dr Dr Dembski would like that whole Thread to go away as they are getting a beating over teh Explanatory Filter in there!

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2007,06:50   

Quote (Patrick Caldon @ Aug. 09 2007,05:52)
   
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 09 2007,04:24)
that page is now a 404 error!
funny thing is that if you search UD using the internal search feature the thread appears, but click on the link and it's gone.

Internal Search

Google Cache of the page

We're having a UD timewarp to 3 1/2 weeks ago.  At the moment it reads that the most recent entry was on the 15th of July.

Maybe they've tried to ban most of the last month.

One hopes they get their web server back up soon.

Google's cache was updated around 8:38 am 08/08/2007 with a post by tribune7.



Ya gotta pay the web guy.

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steve_h



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2007,07:27   

The last post still in is from 16 July.  Three posts later Dembksi announced the new link to  Baylor’s fleeting Evolutionary Informatics Lab, www.evolutionaryinformatics.org

google:
cache:http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/baylors-evolutionary-informatics-lab-better-link/

(Via "latest news" at the ever popular ud4kids site, if anyone wants to try and rescue and other goodies)

  
Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2007,09:10   

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William Dembski: What happened to the last three weeks at UD?

I just learned that the last three weeks of UD disappeared. I’m checking into what happened. –WmAD


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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2007,09:14   

Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 09 2007,09:10)
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William Dembski: What happened to the last three weeks at UD?

I just learned that the last three weeks of UD disappeared. I’m checking into what happened. –WmAD


Choose one or more of the following:

1.)  an Evil Atheistic Darwinista Conspiracy

2.) A friggin' Miracle - The Designer made Peter Olaffson disappear.

3.) DaveScot got carried away and pushed ALL the Bannnanator Buttons.

4.) Who Cares?  The last 3 weeks of UD are just like all the other weeks on UD.  A whole lot of hot air about nothing.


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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2007,09:21   

Quote (J-Dog @ Aug. 09 2007,09:14)
Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 09 2007,09:10)
 
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William Dembski: What happened to the last three weeks at UD?

I just learned that the last three weeks of UD disappeared. I’m checking into what happened. –WmAD

It's either

1.)  an Evil Atheistic Darwinista Conspiracy

2.) A friggin' Miracle - The Designer made Peter Olaffson disappear.

3.) DaveScot got carried away and pushed ALL the Bannnanator Buttons.

4.) Who Cares?  The last 3 weeks of UD are just like all the other weeks on UD.  A whole lot of hot air about nothing.

When was PO's first post?  When did the entry to which he responded get posted?  Hmm.

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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2007,09:36   

Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 09 2007,09:10)
       
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William Dembski: What happened to the last three weeks at UD?

I just learned that the last three weeks of UD disappeared. I’m checking into what happened. –WmAD

ERROR

The requested URL could not be retrieved

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While trying to retrieve the URL: http://www.uncommondescent.com/

The following error was encountered:

* Connection Failed

The system returned:

   (111) Connection refused

The remote host or network may be down. Please try the request again.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2007,09:45   

Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 09 2007,09:21)
Quote (J-Dog @ Aug. 09 2007,09:14)
 
Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 09 2007,09:10)
 
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William Dembski: What happened to the last three weeks at UD?

I just learned that the last three weeks of UD disappeared. I’m checking into what happened. –WmAD

It's either

1.)  an Evil Atheistic Darwinista Conspiracy

2.) A friggin' Miracle - The Designer made Peter Olaffson disappear.

3.) DaveScot got carried away and pushed ALL the Bannnanator Buttons.

4.) Who Cares?  The last 3 weeks of UD are just like all the other weeks on UD.  A whole lot of hot air about nothing.

When was PO's first post?  When did the entry to which he responded get posted?  Hmm.

The Designer made Peter Olaffson disappear

ohhhh....

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2007,10:43   

Patrick responds to Dembski's WTF post:

08/09/2007

10:40 am
I hope it can be recovered since a lot of the comments were very informative.

Dembski thinks:  Damn!  I hate informative.

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2007,12:57   

I wonder if Dembski, O'Leary, or Springer did something to upset Micah Spiracio. Whatever else one might say about him, he does know a thing or two about server configuration.

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2007,13:04   

Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 09 2007,08:10)
   
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William Dembski: What happened to the last three weeks at UD?

I just learned that the last three weeks of UD disappeared. I’m checking into what happened. –WmAD

Uhh...I just clicked on the link and got the 404 error page.

I do hope that it can be recovered, people - honestly - I have a knee-jerk horror of web pages disappearing, books crumbling unread on shelves and people throwing family bibles and tiny old devotionals into the trash or the "free" box at the estate sale - guess who gathers up this stuff...I have a fire-safe stuffed with tracts. I'm a theological librarian and don't even know it.

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2007,13:19   

Quote (Kristine @ Aug. 09 2007,13:04)
Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 09 2007,08:10)
   
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William Dembski: What happened to the last three weeks at UD?

I just learned that the last three weeks of UD disappeared. I’m checking into what happened. –WmAD

Uhh...I just clicked on the link and got the 404 error page.

I do hope that it can be recovered, people - honestly - I have a knee-jerk horror of web pages disappearing, books crumbling unread on shelves and people throwing family bibles and tiny old devotionals into the trash or the "free" box at the estate sale - guess who gathers up this stuff...I have a fire-safe stuffed with tracts. I'm a theological librarian and don't even know it.

Praise Jesus Kristine - your prayers have been answered!
UD is up again, and Dembski is bragging about the Kevin Padian thread - it's the longest evar on UD - thanks to PO and the brain-dead sycophants at UD.

Welcome back. :)

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2007,15:01   

BTW - are servers and webpages material entities, or not? ;)

And photos of teh_hawt_sexeh?

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Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2007,15:22   

Is This an Intelligent Design paper?

   
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2007,15:53   

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 09 2007,15:22)
Is This an Intelligent Design paper?

Jesus Christ on an effing crutch.  If Lennon were alive today, he'd bitch-slap Dembski and make him like it.

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2007,16:05   

Quote (J-Dog @ Aug. 09 2007,15:53)
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 09 2007,15:22)
Is This an Intelligent Design paper?

Jesus Christ on an effing crutch.  If Lennon were alive today, he'd bitch-slap Dembski and make him like it.

Is this an ID Video?

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Rob



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2007,17:40   

Newsflash from Sal:  Boston Globe says ID proponents “may well be right"

Of course, if you read past Sal's headline to see what IDists may very well be right about, you find out that it has nothing to do with ID and is totally unobjectionable, namely that "schools should do a better job of explaining evolution".

Stay tuned for Sal's next headline: Atheists may be right ...

... when they say that Coke Zero is better than Diet Coke.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2007,18:05   

Quote mining at its finest:
           
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Boston Globe says ID proponents “may well be right”
scordova

But Sal doesn't seem to be feeling well:
           
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...Unfortunately, this was the only good line in an otherwise horrible piece of biased tabloid style reporting by Lehrman, who appears to have gladly become a part of the propaganda machine of the National Center for Selling Evolution (NCSE)

Sal, you OK? Many other misleading titles may be extracted from that rich Boston ore:

"Boston Globe says 'Evolutionary science uses pseudoscience to attack 36 percent of American adults.'"

"Boston Globe says 'Residents of Massachusetts feel safe from Darwin's theory.'"

"Boston Globe says 'Darwin's brilliant theory turns on a static idea, perhaps never less so than today.'"

"Boston Globe says 'antievolutionists have raised students critical thinking in science education.'"

Here's a tip you can use: Don't bother with ellipses when your intent is to mislead and you don't give a rat's ass about scholarly or journalistic integrity. Just leave those suckers out. All them words are there in that order; to hell with the intention of the writer. She was probably unwitting, anyway.

Oh, and Word: omit links to original articles.

(Hope you're feeling better soon.)

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2007,07:33   

On a blog called "uncommondescent" jerry notes that
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ID says nothing about common descent.

I guess jerry also walks into massage parlors in the seedy side of town and asks for a massage and expects a massage. This is the very pinnacle of avoiding the "elephant in the room" for IDiots. If common descent is not true, they why bother even talking about the minutia of it? They should be working on their explnation for the evidence, but as Joe has shown us, search and replace is about the height of it (that and searching papers for the word "design" and then claiming then as ID positive research!)

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what you are witnessing here is mainly what ID does best, namely dispute gradualism as a mechanism for species origin.

Yes, what ID does best is the same thing that drunk hobo's do best. Dispute reality in a unintelligible manner. At the top of their voice, with absolute conviction, yet all the passers by do their best to ignore it.  
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So all this does is shed some more doubt on gradualism.

What, finding a fossil throws doubt on evolution does it? It's ironic really as a good % of the people over at UD are closet young-earthers, and would dispute the fact that the fossil was that old in the first place
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The argument for a gradualistic transition from one species to another is fairly suspect and all this does increase the doubt that Darwin’s ideas were involved in the origin of new species.

Huh? Darwin's ideas were written down in a book. New species would happen with or without the book! Increase what doubt anyway?

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By the way if you dispute my assertion

“The argument for a gradualistic transition from one species to another is fairly suspect ”

then step up to the plate and show us why ID is mistaken here. No one ever has on this site or any other site we have read so you can be the first one.


It's not really possible to dispute "fairly suspect" IMHO. And anyway, why "fairly" anyway? That implies that jerry has some doubt about his position. Otherwise he would have said "The argument for a gradualistic transition from one species to another is wrong"

So it's nice to see a UD'er admitting that their position is based on what they hope is true rather then what the evidence points to.

Oh, and I can't let this gem go unnoticed.
DaveScot blurts:
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Does ID say that we do not have apelike ancestors?

No. It says we have ape-like anthropologists.


Nice dodge there DS. Don't answer the question, but make a "funny" instead. No wonder you and FTK get on so very well.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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Patrick Caldon



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2007,07:58   

Quote

“The argument for a gradualistic transition from one species to another is fairly suspect ”

then step up to the plate and show us why ID is mistaken here. No one ever has on this site or any other site we have read so you can be the first one.


I'd love to if I hadn't been banned ...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2007,08:06   

And I thought that with their reset I might have been unbanned.  Not to be.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2007,09:42   

And in other news:

Peter Olaffson is still fighting the good fight with UD - up to Post #305

Overwhelmingly Dense has settled down to a posting rate @ 1 per 2 days.

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2007,09:49   

On the fossil comment thread, DaveScot has what could be described as "an FtK moment".    
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Do supporters of ID claim that Homo Sapiens (sic) does not share ancestry with apes?

Some do and some don’t.


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To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2007,10:21   

rrf says
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Thank goodness the Associated Press broke this story. I bet the Darwinists would have buried (heh) this fossil if some investigative reporter hadn’t scooped them.


They can't really believe that can they? How deluded.

I don't have time to check, but is this info not already a couple of years old, and has just been published in a journal once the facts of the matter were in? Hardly a Darwinist cover up.

But I guess rrf and the rest of them just believe what they want to. I'd call troll, except rrf seems as earnest and deluded as the rest of them and for a troll he's got a very long attention span.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2007,11:55   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 10 2007,10:49)
On the fossil comment thread, DaveScot has what could be described as "an FtK moment".        
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Do supporters of ID claim that Homo Sapiens (sic) does not share ancestry with apes?

Some do and some don’t.

Dave is equivocating around the bush.  1 1/2 years ago he stated:
 
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I will remind everyone again - please frame your arguments around science. If the ID movement doesn’t get the issue framed around science it’s going down and I do not like losing. The plain conclusion of scientific evidence supports descent with modification from a common ancestor...

Which obviously includes hominid descent. Not only does he no longer have the balls to state his conviction on such an important issue when idiotic posts the the contrary appear, the post itself has been vaporized, as searches on UD make clear.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2007,12:18   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Aug. 10 2007,11:55)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 10 2007,10:49)
On the fossil comment thread, DaveScot has what could be described as "an FtK moment".        
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Do supporters of ID claim that Homo Sapiens (sic) does not share ancestry with apes?

Some do and some don’t.

Dave is equivocating around the bush.  1 1/2 years ago he stated:
   
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I will remind everyone again - please frame your arguments around science. If the ID movement doesn’t get the issue framed around science it’s going down and I do not like losing. The plain conclusion of scientific evidence supports descent with modification from a common ancestor...

Which obviously includes hominid descent. Not only does he no longer have the balls to state his conviction on such an important issue when idiotic posts the the contrary appear, the post itself has been vaporized, as searches on UD make clear.

I think this reflects the post-Dover shift of emphasis from "marketing ID as science to the outside world" to "marketing ID as science to creationists".

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2007,13:32   

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Which obviously includes hominid descent. Not only does he no longer have the balls to state his conviction on such an important issue when idiotic posts the the contrary appear, the post itself has been vaporized, as searches on UD make clear.


He doesn't volunteer that sort of objection any more (he'd called that a "lie by omission" if it were us), but when pressed by Mark Frank:

 
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Dave - are you denying that you wrote these words on this blog - my italics (the item was of course removed from the blog pretty quickly):

“I will remind everyone again - please frame your arguments around science. If the ID movement doesn’t get the issue framed around science it’s going down and I do not like losing. The plain conclusion of scientific evidence supports descent with modification from a common ancestor. You are certainly welcome to have other opinions based on faith in something other than science but I’d ask that you go to a religious website with them if you must talk about it.”

Or you have changed your mind since?

Cheers

Of course I wrote that. Your next comment here will explain how that argues against saltation. Good luck. -ds

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2007,13:42   

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Yes, what ID does best is the same thing that drunk hobo's do best. Dispute reality in a unintelligible manner. At the top of their voice, with absolute conviction, yet all the passers by do their best to ignore it.  


Post o' the week.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2007,13:44   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 10 2007,09:49)
On the fossil comment thread, DaveScot has what could be described as "an FtK moment".    
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Do supporters of ID claim that Homo Sapiens (sic) does not share ancestry with apes?

Some do and some don’t.

This is Dave's own 'don't ask don't tell' policy.

It's hilarious to see DT post-Dover wriggling around trying to accomodate the Young Earthers.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2007,14:08   

Quote (steve_h @ Aug. 10 2007,12:32)
 
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Which obviously includes hominid descent. Not only does he no longer have the balls to state his conviction on such an important issue when idiotic posts the the contrary appear, the post itself has been vaporized, as searches on UD make clear.


He doesn't volunteer that sort of objection any more (he'd called that a "lie by omission" if it were us), but when pressed by Mark Frank:

       
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Dave - are you denying that you wrote these words on this blog - my italics (the item was of course removed from the blog pretty quickly):

“I will remind everyone again - please frame your arguments around science. If the ID movement doesn’t get the issue framed around science it’s going down and I do not like losing. The plain conclusion of scientific evidence supports descent with modification from a common ancestor. You are certainly welcome to have other opinions based on faith in something other than science but I’d ask that you go to a religious website with them if you must talk about it.”

Or you have changed your mind since?

Cheers

Of course I wrote that. Your next comment here will explain how that argues against saltation. Good luck. -ds

Um, yeah, good luck! What's his point? Does he mean saltationism (unorthodox adherence to sudden change as a primary evolutionary mechanism)?

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