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fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2010,11:32    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 22 2010,09:28) Quote (Robin @ July 22 2010,09:49) "...new bulb in that..." OM, you crack me up! Why thank you :) I try! Seeing as how the current bulb is rather dim. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 30 2010,10:09    http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2010....ry.html Quote ... Wrong Nicky. The argument is that blind, undirected processes cannot produce information from scratch nor can those processes increase information. IOW Nick you are a lying piece of shit. Now please take me to Court and try to sue me for slander or libel. That's boys an idiot. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Mindrover Posts: 65 Joined: April 2010 (Permalink) Posted: July 30 2010,14:49    Quote (Richardthughes @ July 30 2010,10:09) http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2010....ry.html Quote ... Wrong Nicky. The argument is that blind, undirected processes cannot produce information from scratch nor can those processes increase information. IOW Nick you are a lying piece of shit. Now please take me to Court and try to sue me for slander or libel. That's boys an idiot. On the plus side, it looks like Joe has stopped stalking Oleg. On the negative, I have read yet another of his "LOOK AT ME!!!!" posts. Why do I get the mental image of Joe in a soiled tutu and combat boots, jumping up and down in a city square, yelling his blog posts into a bullhorn at passers by?

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 30 2010,16:30    Bloody hell. He's over on PT now crapping all over the "random responses to Luskin" thread.  Full of sound and fury... -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 30 2010,16:34    Quote (fnxtr @ July 30 2010,16:30) Bloody hell. He's over on PT now crapping all over the "random responses to Luskin" thread.  Full of sound and fury... http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2010/07/random-response.html -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

socle Posts: 322 Joined: July 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 30 2010,22:58    Advanced set theory:   Quote Sheik:   Do you claim that the sets {x,y} and { {}, {x}, {y}, {x, y} } are equal?     Quote Joe G: Let x = $10 and y = $20 The set {x,y} contains $30 the power set { {}, {x}, {y}, {x, y} } also contains $30. $30 = $30     Quote Sheik: I didn't see this before my last post. The two sets are definitely not the same, however.     Quote Joe G: The CONTENTS are the SAME- they are EQUAL. $30 = $30 so {x,y} has to equal { {}, {x}, {y}, {x, y} } What part of that don't you understand?

MichaelJ Posts: 462 Joined: June 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,00:32    Is he really that dumb

didymos Posts: 1828 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,01:29    Quote (MichaelJ @ July 30 2010,22:32) Is he really that dumb Oh,  hell yes: http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2010....0977717 -------------- I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,03:22    Quote (MichaelJ @ July 31 2010,06:32) Is he really that dumb Why yes. Yes he is. And it hurts. Louis -------------- Bye.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,08:44    Quote (fnxtr @ July 30 2010,16:30) Bloody hell. He's over on PT now crapping all over the "random responses to Luskin" thread.  Full of sound and fury... That thread was full of shit already... -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,08:44    Quote (Richardthughes @ July 30 2010,10:09) http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2010....ry.html Quote ... Wrong Nicky. The argument is that blind, undirected processes cannot produce information from scratch nor can those processes increase information. IOW Nick you are a lying piece of shit. Now please take me to Court and try to sue me for slander or libel. That's boys an idiot. That makes sense- I'm the idiot because you faggots are lying cowards. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,08:45    Quote (Joe G @ July 31 2010,08:44) Quote (Richardthughes @ July 30 2010,10:09) http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2010....ry.html   Quote ... Wrong Nicky. The argument is that blind, undirected processes cannot produce information from scratch nor can those processes increase information. IOW Nick you are a lying piece of shit. Now please take me to Court and try to sue me for slander or libel. That's boys an idiot. That makes sense- I'm the idiot because you faggots are lying cowards. Do a podcast, please? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,08:46    Quote (socle @ July 30 2010,22:58) Advanced set theory:   Quote Sheik:   Do you claim that the sets {x,y} and { {}, {x}, {y}, {x, y} } are equal?     Quote Joe G: Let x = $10 and y = $20 The set {x,y} contains $30 the power set { {}, {x}, {y}, {x, y} } also contains $30. $30 = $30     Quote Sheik: I didn't see this before my last post. The two sets are definitely not the same, however.     Quote Joe G: The CONTENTS are the SAME- they are EQUAL. $30 = $30 so {x,y} has to equal { {}, {x}, {y}, {x, y} } What part of that don't you understand? What is your issue with what I posted? Do you have valid resource that says I am wrong? If so it would help you if you could produce it. Otherwise your ignorance does not refute what I post. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,08:46    Quote (Richardthughes @ July 31 2010,08:45) Quote (Joe G @ July 31 2010,08:44) Quote (Richardthughes @ July 30 2010,10:09) http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2010....ry.html   Quote ... Wrong Nicky. The argument is that blind, undirected processes cannot produce information from scratch nor can those processes increase information. IOW Nick you are a lying piece of shit. Now please take me to Court and try to sue me for slander or libel. That's boys an idiot. That makes sense- I'm the idiot because you faggots are lying cowards. Do a podcast, please? Why? So you can jerk-off to it? -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,08:51    Quote (Mindrover @ July 30 2010,14:49) Quote (Richardthughes @ July 30 2010,10:09) http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2010....ry.html   Quote ... Wrong Nicky. The argument is that blind, undirected processes cannot produce information from scratch nor can those processes increase information. IOW Nick you are a lying piece of shit. Now please take me to Court and try to sue me for slander or libel. That's boys an idiot. On the plus side, it looks like Joe has stopped stalking Oleg. On the negative, I have read yet another of his "LOOK AT ME!!!!" posts. Why do I get the mental image of Joe in a soiled tutu and combat boots, jumping up and down in a city square, yelling his blog posts into a bullhorn at passers by? Stalking oleg? oleg stalks me. OM stalks me. All evotards stalk me. Heck this thread is proof of that... -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,08:52    Quote (MichaelJ @ July 31 2010,00:32) Is he really that dumb I could be. However it is very noticeable that not one of you evotards can demonstrate that what I posted is wrong. IOW it appears that you chumps are really that dumb... -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,08:59    Joe G, How many elements are in {}? How many elements are in {{}}? -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,09:06    Quote (Zachriel @ July 31 2010,08:59) Joe G, How many elements are in {}? How many elements are in {{}}? Operations on the empty set: Operations performed on the empty set (as a set of things to be operated upon) are unusual. For example, the sum of the elements of the empty set is zero, but the product of the elements of the empty set is one (see empty product). Ultimately, the results of these operations say more about the operation in question than about the empty set. For instance, zero is the identity element for addition, and one is the identity element for multiplication. Not that I would expect you to understand any of that. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,09:08    Let x = $10 and y = $20 The set {x,y} contains $30 the power set { {}, {x}, {y}, {x, y} } also contains $30. $30 = $30 Does anyone disagree with that? If you disagree can you provide a valid resource that agrees with you? -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,09:11    Hi Joe.  Why don't we move the discussion of the example with Denton books here?     Quote Michael Denton wrote two books, Evolution: a Theory in Crisis, or E for short, and Nature's Destiny: How the Laws of Biology Reveal Purpose in the Universe, or N. The set Books = {E, N} contains two members. When you ask someone "Which of these books did you read?" you may hear one of four different answers: none, Evolution, Nature's Destiny, or both. Each of the outcomes is a set of books (not a book): an empty set, a set containing one book, or a set containing two books. Formally, Outcomes = {{}, {E}, {N}, {E, N}}. Clearly, the sets Books and Outcomes are different beasts. Even the sizes are different: two books, four possible outcomes. -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

dnmlthr Posts: 565 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,09:16    Quote (Joe G @ July 31 2010,15:08) Let x = $10 and y = $20 The set {x,y} contains $30 the power set { {}, {x}, {y}, {x, y} } also contains $30. $30 = $30 Does anyone disagree with that? If you disagree can you provide a valid resource that agrees with you? The sum of the elements of the set {x,y} as you defined it is $30. A set does not equal the result of a computation performed on that set. ETA: What you're saying is that a bag containing the ingredients for a cake and a cake are the same thing. -------------- Guess what? I don't give a flying f*ck how "science works" - Ftk

gravity well Posts: 11 Joined: July 2010 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,09:16    joe are you saying that the sum of the members of a set is the only measure of a set?

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,09:23    Quote (Joe G @ July 31 2010,09:08) Let x = $10 and y = $20 The set {x,y} contains $30 the power set { {}, {x}, {y}, {x, y} } also contains $30. $30 = $30 Does anyone disagree with that? If you disagree can you provide a valid resource that agrees with you? Do I disagree that 30 = 30? No. Do I disagree about the the equality of the sets in your example? Yes. It's interesting that you would considered these two examples (integers and sets) to be alike. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,09:48    Quote (Joe G @ July 31 2010,09:06) Quote (Zachriel @ July 31 2010,08:59) Joe G, How many elements are in {}? How many elements are in {{}}? You didn't answer the question. How many elements are in {}? How many elements are in {{}}? -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,09:52    Quote (Joe G @ July 31 2010,09:08) Let x = $10 and y = $20 The set {x,y} contains $30 Let x = $10 and y = $20. The sum of the elements of {x,y} is $30. Let x = $12 and y = $18. The sum of the elements of {x,y} is $30. Two sets are equal if and only if they have precisely the same elements. Is {10, 20} = {12, 18}? -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Venus Mousetrap Posts: 201 Joined: Aug. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,09:56    Quote (Joe G @ July 31 2010,09:08) Let x = $10 and y = $20 The set {x,y} contains $30 the power set { {}, {x}, {y}, {x, y} } also contains $30. $30 = $30 Does anyone disagree with that? If you disagree can you provide a valid resource that agrees with you? How comes you know what a set is but not the definition of equality?

socle Posts: 322 Joined: July 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,10:03    Quote (Joe G @ July 31 2010,09:08) Let x = $10 and y = $20 The set {x,y} contains $30 the power set { {}, {x}, {y}, {x, y} } also contains $30. $30 = $30 Does anyone disagree with that? If you disagree can you provide a valid resource that agrees with you? Joe, Here's another way to look at the issue using your money model: {x, y} stands for an envelope containing a $10 and a $20 bill. { {}, {x}, {y}, {x, y} } stands for a large envelope containing four smaller envelopes.  One of the smaller envelopes is empty, one contains a $10 bill, one contains a $20 bill, and the remaining one contains a $10 bill and a $20 bill. See the difference?

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,10:04    On his blog, Joe says: Quote How many books are in the set {E,N}? How many books are in its power set {{}, {E}, {N}, {E, N}}? I say the answer to both questions is 2- there are two books in the set and two books in the power set. This is not even wrong.  To establish equality of two sets, we must check whether their members are the same.  They are not.  The members of the former set are E and N.  The members of the latter are {}, {E}, {N}, {E,N}.  Not only are they not the same, even the set sizes (cardinalities) are different. -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,10:15    It looks like Joe has run away again.  He is not coming back: Quote Hold your breath while you wait. If you want to discuss something with me this is the place to do so. Attaboy! -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2010,13:06    Quote (olegt @ July 31 2010,10:15) It looks like Joe has run away again.  He is not coming back: Quote Hold your breath while you wait. If you want to discuss something with me this is the place to do so. Attaboy! Shorter Joe:  I can do my Internet Tough Guy act better from behind my momma's skirt. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

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