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Posted: July 06 2008,15:17

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It's not a "law", strawboy.

It's an example.

Then why did you even mention them? Thats rather retarded.

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:17

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lol PCID was never an actual ID journal they invited all kinds of complexity theorists.

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Progress in Complexity, Information, and Design (PCID) is a quarterly, cross-disciplinary, online journal

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Articles accepted to the journal �must first be submitted to the ISCID archive. To be accepted into the archive, articles need to meet basic scholarly standards and be relevant to the study of complex systems. Once on the archive, articles passed on by at least one ISCID fellow will be accepted for publication. The �journal �will be published in electronic form only (there will be no print version).

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The editorial advisory board peer-reviews articles submitted to the society's journal and comprises the society fellows.

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ISCID is pleased to announce the latest issue of PCID, Volume 3.1 November 2004. The journal features papers from Royal Truman, Jonathan Wells, Paul Nelson and others.

Bold for Guts benefit. All from http://www.iscid.org/ and http://www.iscid.org/pcid.php

I can understand if you don't go there much Guts. Easy mistake to make. They seem to think it's a journal however.

EDIT: The link and logo even says "the journal"

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:18

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The journal never took off. I am not an insider so I don't know what happened and don't care.

No research papers to publish.

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:19

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It's not a "law", strawboy.

It's an example.

Then why did you even mention them? Thats rather retarded.

Another nonanswer, tough guy.

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:19

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It's not a "law", strawboy.

It's an example.

Then why did you even mention them? Thats rather retarded.

Because you seem to need examples. That's also why I answered my own questions in a previous comment, to show you how it works. Let's see you try to answer one.

What predictions have been made, on the basis of ID principles, that allowed experimental testing, and for which the results of those experiments supported ID and cannot be accommodated by evolutionary theory?

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:20

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I can understand if you don't go there much Guts. Easy mistake to make. They seem to think it's a journal however

Maybe you should take some basic reading comprehension classes. I never said it wasn't a journal, I said it wasn't specifically an ID journal. Dumbass.

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:20

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The journal never took off. I am not an insider so I don't know what happened and don't care.

No research papers to publish.

At least "bible code" tried...

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:21

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Because you seem to need examples. That's also why I answered my own questions in a previous comment, to show you how it works. Let's see you try to answer one.

So do you or do you not believe that your examples from physics apply generally?

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:23

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I can understand if you don't go there much Guts. Easy mistake to make. They seem to think it's a journal however

Maybe you should take some basic reading comprehension classes. I never said it wasn't a journal, I said it wasn't specifically an ID journal. Dumbass.

Why don't you put the content through the EF, Guts, and tell us what you think they're banging on about?

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:24

Is that english?

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:27

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I can understand if you don't go there much Guts. Easy mistake to make. They seem to think it's a journal however

Maybe you should take some basic reading comprehension classes. I never said it wasn't a journal, I said it wasn't specifically an ID journal. Dumbass.

That your final answer, tough guy?

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Progress in Complexity, Information, and Design (PCID) is a quarterly, cross-disciplinary, online journal that investigates complex systems apart from external programmatic constraints like materialism, naturalism, or reductionism. PCID focuses especially on the theoretical development, empirical application, and philosophical implications of information- and design-theoretic concepts for complex systems. PCID welcomes survey articles, research articles, technical communications, tutorials, commentaries, book and software reviews, educational overviews, and controversial theories. The aim of PCID is to advance the science of complexity by assessing the degree to which teleology is relevant (or irrelevant) to the origin, development, and operation of complex systems.

BTW, if it's not ID, why is Dembski on their editorial board?

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So do you or do you not believe that your examples from physics apply generally?

So, Nelson, why do you refuse to answer Albatrossity's questions?

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:27

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Is that english?

Must...change...subject.....

ETA: No, it isn't. It has a big "E'.

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:28

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So do you or do you not believe that your examples from physics apply generally?

We can discuss that when/if you ever answer my question, which is, I think, a lot more pertinent to the topic of ID and science in general.

By my count you have posted 20 comments since you claimed that you answer questions. None of them has been an answer to this simple question.

What predictions have been made, on the basis of ID principles, that allowed experimental testing, and for which the results of those experiments supported ID and cannot be accommodated by evolutionary theory?

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:30

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BTW, if it's not ID, why is Dembski on their editorial board?

Once again your reading comprehension is atrocious. I didn't say it wasn't ID either.

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:30

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BTW, if it's not ID, why is Dembski on their editorial board?

Once again your reading comprehension is atrocious. I didn't say it wasn't ID either.

So it's ID, and a Journal, but not an ID Journal?

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:31

Albatross, by your refusal to answer my simple question, I figured you conceded that this qualifier "cannot be accommodated by evolutionary theory" is unnecessary, but now we're back to square one.

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:31

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BTW, if it's not ID, why is Dembski on their editorial board?

Once again your reading comprehension is atrocious. I didn't say it wasn't ID either.

Yeah, not the real thing. Edit something on TT "Guts" and show us.

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:32

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So it's ID, and a Journal, but not an ID Journal

Nope, they wanted it to be more general than just ID.

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:33

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So it's ID, and a Journal, but not an ID Journal

Nope, they wanted it to be more general than just ID.

A second ago you knew nothing about it!

I call troll pretending to be Guts.

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:33

Where did I say I knew nothing about it?

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:34

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Where did I say I knew nothing about it?

"The journal never took off. I am not an insider so I don't know what happened and don't care."

Make up your mind, cupcake!

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:35

lol that says I don't know what happened that they stopped publishing and the journal never talk off. Thats not the same as saying I know nothing about it.

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:40

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Albatross, by your refusal to answer my simple question, I figured you conceded that this qualifier "cannot be accommodated by evolutionary theory" is unnecessary, but now we're back to square one.

I addressed that bit of weaseling here, and again here. So it is at least square three.

I'm concluding that you can't answer the question. So here's an easier, but related, question. Note that it omits the problematic clause. I'm betting you still won't answer it.

What predictions have been made, on the basis of ID principles, that allowed experimental testing, and for which the results of those experiments supported ID?

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:43

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Albatross, by your refusal to answer my simple question, I figured you conceded that this qualifier "cannot be accommodated by evolutionary theory" is unnecessary, but now we're back to square one.

Why won't you answer Alb's question, Nelson?

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:44

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So it's ID, and a Journal, but not an ID Journal

Nope, they wanted it to be more general than just ID.

It's a journal exploring 'design' and 'teleology' and Dembski's the first editor, but it's not an ID journal. Gotcha.

Edited 'cuz I can: I suppose the fact that they can't get their shit together to, like, *publish* gives them some deniability, eh, Nelson?

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:45

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So it's ID, and a Journal, but not an ID Journal

Nope, they wanted it to be more general than just ID.

A second ago you knew nothing about it!

I call troll pretending to be Guts.

Apparently this troll is indeed the real Gut~~les~~s.

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:46

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What predictions have been made, on the basis of ID principles, that allowed experimental testing, and for which the results of those experiments supported ID?

There are still problematic qualifiers here. Not all predictions lead to actual experiments, there are problems with funding, or something else fundamental. Even post dictions are valid, in which case the experiment or discovery was already made.

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:48

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What predictions have been made, on the basis of ID principles, that allowed experimental testing, and for which the results of those experiments supported ID?

There are still problematic qualifiers here. Not all predictions lead to actual experiments, there are problems with funding, or something else fundamental. Even post dictions are valid, in which case the experiment or discovery was already made.

Nonanswer. Try again.

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Posted: July 06 2008,15:49

I couldn't possibly have given a more direct answer.

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