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Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,13:37    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,07:27) Quote (Alan Fox @ July 06 2008,06:24) Ah I think Nelson/Guts is attempting the debating tactic of provoking a banning, sometimes referred to as "death by Cop", I believe. This is all very illuminating, Sir. (Edited for spelling) No i'm trying to provoke actual thought, which is absent here. No one knows my position? Are you friggin kidding me? This thread is pages and pages long, and accusations abound, but no one knows my position? How batshit insane is that. I could write a book on it. I'd suggest you start a little closer to home, Nellie. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,13:55    Well, the handful of pages that went up between last night and this morning were more fun than a barrel of monkeys. ETA: okmaybenot Edited by Lou FCD on July 06 2008,14:55 -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:17    Quote (lcd @ July 06 2008,11:09)     Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 06 2008,12:33) LCD, I assume this is your coy way of admitting you're never going to answer the backed up questions on the other thread? No, that would be incorrect. The stuff is not easy.  It is and I'm reluctant to admit it harder than I thought.  I haven't been working on it this weekend because I thought I'd be in the surf and having some fun. One thing though.  I can't help but note what I'd call a double standard here.  First, Newton came up with "Classical Physics".  Now science took that as truth for what, 300 years?  Then we had Relativity.  Now it's Quantum Physics.  So what about GUT?  I keep reading where they say it exists but nobody can find it. I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but Dembski's EF seems to be a great start, the "Classical Theory" also known as the first step.  Why must ID be perfect the first time when mainstream science still hasn't gotten it right? We'll take that as a 'no, I won't' to my original question. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:22    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,07:06) Carlson using stars to simulate "emotes" that is so weird, i gotta tell ya. That's it?  I spend two and a half hours crammed like a sardine in a 757, then scurry like mad between terminals to catch my puddle-jumper home, all in anticipation of some witty riposte from you, and that is the best you come up with? You are so gay. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:23    No using stars to do emotes is gay.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:26    Quote In 90 comments he merely bloviated, despite several polite requests to state a position and have a real intellectual debate. He hurled insults from the very beginning. What part of that makes you proud to be associated with his side? Yeah welcome to troll city. This is what ID proponents have to deal with on a daily basis.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:26    Quote (Nelson @ July 06 2008,12:23) No using stars to do emotes is gay. You seem quite obsessed with homosexuality. What's that about? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:26    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,14:23) No using stars to do emotes is gay. pleased i didn't fall into Teh_gay_trap. This is fulla stars. edit: yes. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:27    You're the one that mentioned gay first, not me.

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:27    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 06 2008,12:40) Quote (Dr.GH @ July 06 2008,10:36) Who is this "guts" person? Are they on drugs? Nah, he's just intoxicated with his own stupidity. Reminds me of this classic exchange from The Matchmaker: Quote Marcy Tizard: Is being an idiot like being high all the time? Sean Kelly: No, it's like being constantly right. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:27    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,14:26) Quote In 90 comments he merely bloviated, despite several polite requests to state a position and have a real intellectual debate. He hurled insults from the very beginning. What part of that makes you proud to be associated with his side? Yeah welcome to troll city. This is what ID proponents have to deal with on a daily basis. Well it's better than putting up with "research", "experiments" and "science", eh? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:29    That doesn't make sense, those are things you do at a lab, but then sometimes you want to come home and relax in front of the computer. Thats when you have to deal with trolls.

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:30    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,14:23) No using stars to do emotes is gay. I crumble in the face of your rapier-like wit. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:30    Quote (Nelson @ July 06 2008,12:27) You're the one that mentioned gay first, not me. Whoops:     Quote (Nelson @ July 06 2008,05:47) I'm not the one that came here and started a mindless thread to attack my website, if you have something substantive to say against anything write, say it. So far, I only see faggotry, which is pathetic. Try again. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:32    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,14:26)   Quote In 90 comments he merely bloviated, despite several polite requests to state a position and have a real intellectual debate. He hurled insults from the very beginning. What part of that makes you proud to be associated with his side? Yeah welcome to troll city. This is what ID proponents have to deal with on a daily basis. And there might even be a good reason for that. Why don't you knock the dust-bunnies off the ol' Nixplanatory Filter and see if you can figure it out? Or maybe this will be quicker - ID proponents invite abuse by 1) never answering a question the first (or second, or third or nth) time. 2) never giving any evidence for their claims and 3) trying to hide 1 and 2 by hurling insults or concentrating on personalities rather than facts. There might be more items in this list, but I suspect that we have gone past your grade-school attention span with three. -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:33    Your dipping outside our conversation pool there.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:34    What are you talking about, I answer questions on a daily basis whenever I make a blog. I always answer questions.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:39    Frostman writes: Quote see nothing unethical about James Randi sending in posers to expose huckster faith healers like Peter Popoff and his ilk.  Popoff might claim, "But they deceived me, it is they who are unethical!"   lol Frostman essentially admits that he is a liar.

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:40    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,14:34) What are you talking about, I answer questions on a daily basis whenever I make a blog. I always answer questions. Great. Here's a question while you're here. What predictions have been made, on the basis of ID principles, that allowed experimental testing, and for which the results of those experiments supported ID and cannot be accommodated by evolutionary theory? Thanks in advance. -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:46    You coyly qualify that with "accommodated by evolutionary theory", anything except creationism can be accommodated by evolutionary theory.

Frostman Posts: 29 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:48    This is one of my favorites:       Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,04:58) Dam even my blog has more complex functions then this piece of shit board. you guys must be dumbasses. Functions from to ? You got the Gamma function and the Reimann-Zeta function? You got those?  Do ya?  Huh?  Well, do ya?  We got 'em right there.  Read 'em and weep.  Yeah, that's right.  I be guessin' yo blog ain't so hot now, punk.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:49    Quote (Nelson @ July 06 2008,12:46) You coyly qualify that with "accommodated by evolutionary theory", anything except creationism can be accommodated by evolutionary theory. Cute nonanswer. It's clear why your blog is such a powerhouse of science. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:51    Thanks Arden, but flatter will get you ... everywhere.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:51    flattery godddamnit.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:51    When will I be cool enough to get an edit button.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:52    Please keep the blog going though. It's very amusing to watch you guys pretend to be scientific revolutionaries. Or even scientifically relevant.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:54    how would you know that steve? Again, it is quite clear that you are scientifically illiterate. You wouldn't know a scientific revolution if it punched in the face.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:55    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,12:51) When will I be cool enough to get an edit button. How's 'never' sound? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:55    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,14:46) You coyly qualify that with "accommodated by evolutionary theory", anything except creationism can be accommodated by evolutionary theory. Nothing coy about it. If ID is to replace evolutionary theory, it will have to explain things that evolutionary theory cannot explain. That's how science works.If ID can't perform in this regard, it's not ready for serious consideration. And there are LOTS of possible experimental outcomes which could not be accommodated by evolutionary theory. Let's not get bogged down in those, however. Let's try to focus on the original question, which you not-so-coyly avoided answering. Care to try again? -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,14:56    Unless you're not proposing a replacement theory, that is a fundamental flaw in your logic.

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