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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2012,09:04   

Quote (khan @ Dec. 26 2012,17:09)
It's beginning to blither.

I spent more than 20 years doing mainframe programming for USAF, and I have no idea what the blitherer is attempting to say.

It's only about science, science education, US education law/ethics, etc..

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2012,09:58   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 27 2012,07:04)
Quote (khan @ Dec. 26 2012,17:09)
It's beginning to blither.

I spent more than 20 years doing mainframe programming for USAF, and I have no idea what the blitherer is attempting to say.

It's only about science, science education, US education law/ethics, etc..

I thought you promised to leave weeks ago.

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2012,10:53   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Dec. 27 2012,09:58)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 27 2012,07:04)
Quote (khan @ Dec. 26 2012,17:09)
It's beginning to blither.

I spent more than 20 years doing mainframe programming for USAF, and I have no idea what the blitherer is attempting to say.

It's only about science, science education, US education law/ethics, etc..

I thought you promised to leave weeks ago.

Got nowhere else to go? I think he loves this place and can't tear loose.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2012,13:19   

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Dec. 24 2012,09:28)
Gary, here's another badge for your collection.  Use it proudly!


blaaahahahaha that almost killed me

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2012,13:24   

Quote (Woodbine @ Dec. 24 2012,16:09)
Blimey, he's gone round the bend tonight.

Who's Kathy Martin? His sponsor?



that was the biggest most hilarious pile of shit yet

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2012,23:52   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Dec. 27 2012,09:58)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 27 2012,07:04)
   
Quote (khan @ Dec. 26 2012,17:09)
It's beginning to blither.

I spent more than 20 years doing mainframe programming for USAF, and I have no idea what the blitherer is attempting to say.

It's only about science, science education, US education law/ethics, etc..

I thought you promised to leave weeks ago.

I simply had to stop wasting my time answering crap, and as you can see (from not even bothering to reply to the most brainless ones) I'm not doing all that bad.

There are so many other places I could and maybe should be, I certainly don't need another nutcase forum. But enduring it is just the fastest way to show where we're now at in our scientific pursuit which took us past neo-Darwinism, which you essentially worship.

Creationists are among those who don't want to stop where you and others demand. But it's the sort of thing where in the end serious scientists admire it too. Important papers pertaining to chromosome speciation and how intelligence works which you have no interest in, are golden to us.

Keeping a theory like this 100% science is from simply following the scientific method to the very letter, better than critics who overcomplicating things with philosophy that made definitions of hypothesis and theory seem like it's describing a graduation ritual before some tribunal. The scientific method is here made simple, works really good. With it, found out that in the cognitive systematics of molecular intelligence there are chromosome speciation events where transitional forms predicted by "slow change" Darwinian theory will not be found. In an Adam and Eve moment (in time) we became human. Transitional form would be 47's which also expressed the new chromotype. Achieving 46 makes the design change reproductively final. Theory of ID can predict that a child expressing the human chromotype was like "poof!" and it's there possibly along with sudden need for clothing/fashion. The 48's are still happy with their natural fur coats, but not us 46's. This is not taking a guess from Genesis it's just how the genetics all works out. As a result, the earlier discussed candid Dodos video where Kathy is skeptical of transitional fossil evidence is in-character by (in the light of the theory of ID) making some (like mysterious before its time) sense. She too was resisting the lack of scientific pursuit in classroom glorification of Charles Darwin and his theory while believing it's impossible to outdo that. She saw value in going where the science evidence leads from the premise of the Theory of Intelligent Design, and there was.

Kathy was with us for the Christmas celebration here, and sent her best wishes for 2013. After 8 years of serving her district she chose to pass the torch, that happens end of December, New Years. Having been reelected in between (instead of thrown out as was planned) makes this a celebration of success story becoming official. Did not end in defeat which was supposed to have happened four years ago.

The power of science is strong, where you would think it's weak. A forum like this one only helps show why. You sure have no better explanation for "intelligent cause" or cognitive model to base its operational definition for intelligence upon, as is here required.

To spite the expected criticism (and it being possible to better code/explain) this theory still stands on its own scientific merit, in this forum where that's supposed to be impossible. You can be sure I would not let you make it appear otherwise, by my completely going away.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,00:34   

What.

The Fuck.

Was that?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,01:24   

So close!

"I simply had to stop wasting my time answering writing crap"

"I certainly This forum don't need another nutcase forum"

FT4U.

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,03:51   

Seriously. we don't want him to go, do we?

There are lots of LOL mileage left in him.

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Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,05:56   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 27 2012,23:52)

I simply had to stop wasting my time answering crap, and as you can see (from not even bothering to reply to the most brainless ones) I'm not doing all that bad...
Dude, I have been reading through this thread and haven't seen you answer anything. Oh I have seen you reply, but never directly answer a single question about your revolutionary scientific idea.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,08:56   

Quote (fnxtr @ Dec. 28 2012,00:34)
What.

The Fuck.

Was that?

Soft focus syntax.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,10:06   

Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Dec. 28 2012,06:56)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 27 2012,23:52)

I simply had to stop wasting my time answering crap, and as you can see (from not even bothering to reply to the most brainless ones) I'm not doing all that bad...
Dude, I have been reading through this thread and haven't seen you answer anything. Oh I have seen you reply, but never directly answer a single question about your revolutionary scientific idea.

oh, you noticed too?  LMAOOOO

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,14:28   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 27 2012,23:52)
In an Adam and Eve moment (in time) we became human. Transitional form would be 47's which also expressed the new chromotype. Achieving 46 makes the design change reproductively final. Theory of ID can predict that a child expressing the human chromotype was like "poof!" and it's there possibly along with sudden need for clothing/fashion. The 48's are still happy with their natural fur coats, but not us 46's.

I was tempted to ask you what "chromotype" means, but in the end I was afraid you might try to explain it.

You say that "Theory of ID can predict..." How would you go about confirming the prediction?  I'm thinking that in your own special version of science, predictions stand independently and don't need confirmation or testing or any of that stuff, but...

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,17:39   

Quote (fnxtr @ Dec. 28 2012,01:34)
What.

The Fuck.

Was that?

You saw it too??????

:-)

   
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,18:34   

Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Dec. 28 2012,05:56)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 27 2012,23:52)

I simply had to stop wasting my time answering crap, and as you can see (from not even bothering to reply to the most brainless ones) I'm not doing all that bad...
Dude, I have been reading through this thread and haven't seen you answer anything. Oh I have seen you reply, but never directly answer a single question about your revolutionary scientific idea.

Here's the theory, in three different file formats:

Theory of Intelligent Design

And here is where I also answer many questions, the "Jerry Don Bauer's Thread":

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y213422

If (after studying all that) you still have a scientific question, then ask. If it is in fact a valid question, then I will answer it. If you're talking trash, then I have the right to just ignore you too.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,18:49   

Would it be talking trash to sak for a specific example where your theory departs from evolution or from other theories of learning?

For example, could you analyze the Lenski experiment in light of your theory? Could you suggest an extension of the Lenski experiment that would predict results that differentiate your theory from evolution?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,18:57   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Dec. 28 2012,10:06)
 
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Dec. 28 2012,06:56)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 27 2012,23:52)

I simply had to stop wasting my time answering crap, and as you can see (from not even bothering to reply to the most brainless ones) I'm not doing all that bad...
Dude, I have been reading through this thread and haven't seen you answer anything. Oh I have seen you reply, but never directly answer a single question about your revolutionary scientific idea.

oh, you noticed too?  LMAOOOO

Hard not to Ras. Ga-Ga is vacuous.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,19:50   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Dec. 28 2012,18:49)
Would it be talking trash to sak for a specific example where your theory departs from evolution or from other theories of learning?

For example, could you analyze the Lenski experiment in light of your theory? Could you suggest an extension of the Lenski experiment that would predict results that differentiate your theory from evolution?

That is an excellent scientific question. I earlier addressed the E. coli long-term evolution experiment but that adds to the discussion.

The biggest difference between paradigms is expecting to see the complete molecular circuit (including any conjugative learning) for the self-learning system that is successfully finding new designs.

E.coli changing over time is simply a big yawn. You're here required to show how it works using the method shown in the text of the theory. Starts off with an overview of the intelligence level (here molecular and/or cellular) followed by how the complete system meets each of the four requirements for a self-learning (intelligent) system. It is a plus to have an Intelligence Design Lab to programmatically demonstrate what happened, but would still be science-worthy without it.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,19:55   

You wrote the Wikipedia article?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,20:00   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 28 2012,20:50)
The biggest difference between paradigms is expecting to see the complete molecular circuit (including any conjugative learning) for the self-learning system that is successfully finding new designs.

E.coli changing over time is simply a big yawn. You're here required to show how it works using the method shown in the text of the theory. Starts off with an overview of the intelligence level (here molecular and/or cellular) followed by how the complete system meets each of the four requirements for a self-learning (intelligent) system. It is a plus to have an Intelligence Design Lab to programmatically demonstrate what happened, but would still be science-worthy without it.


   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,20:07   

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E.coli changing over time is simply a big yawn.


A falling rock is also a big yawn, but both Newton and Einstein were not above discussing the phenomenon.

So how about it? Can you compare and contrast your explanation of the Lenski results with the mainstream model? Perhaps offer a proposal for an extension of the experiment.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,20:54   

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Conclusion
We can here say that a human is an intelligent designer. Cellular intelligence is the intelligent
designer of the intelligent human. Molecular intelligence is the intelligent designer of the intelligent
cells. Behavior of Matter is the behavioral designer of genetic based molecular intelligence systems,
from which the other levels of intelligence are in-turn emergent from.
A bunch of platitudes summing up 40 pages of platitudes.

Evolution has been viewed metaphorically as a learning system since the early 20th century. You need to discuss these earlier writings and tell us how your theory builds on them or differs from them.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,21:44   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Dec. 28 2012,19:55)
You wrote the Wikipedia article?

No. I linked to it so that others will quickly know what the experiment is.

In this case, getting all hyped up about it meeting requirements of what you call "evolution" then leaving it at that is the ending of scientific pursuit. This ID theory expects more. Without that the experiment is boring and incomplete, the process in question not properly explained.

The researchers know that they don't have all the details yet, and they do not want to make it seem like their work is all done or else it might no longer get any funding or serious interest anymore.

The intelligence theory is explaining how to form an answer from what is already being further investigated and explained in papers. For the sake of this ID theory that research must go on. Being able to honestly agree that their work is not done yet, is not a science stopper for them. They need that in order to justify the cost of such experimentation.

It can at first seem that the added requirements for researchers is a bad thing. But there is here relatively simple theory to help sort out and explain the numerous reactions in the circuit. It's then a cognitive science based answer to help explain how our levels of intelligence work, which challenges the big-questions like never before. Researchers here only have to focus on needed lab work they are already working on anyway, that from there has a way of taking on a life of its own. Just have to explain it well enough to be computer modeled with the method explained in the theory. Same thing for finch beaks, where data indicates a mechanism (still being investigated) which senses and successfully responds to changing environment, not dumb-luck random variation in a population being acted up selection as was predicted by the Darwinian paradigm. That only makes sense in the ID paradigm, which predicted what is now known to be true for beak development behavior.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,21:58   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Dec. 28 2012,20:54)
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Conclusion
We can here say that a human is an intelligent designer. Cellular intelligence is the intelligent
designer of the intelligent human. Molecular intelligence is the intelligent designer of the intelligent
cells. Behavior of Matter is the behavioral designer of genetic based molecular intelligence systems,
from which the other levels of intelligence are in-turn emergent from.
A bunch of platitudes summing up 40 pages of platitudes.

Evolution has been viewed metaphorically as a learning system since the early 20th century. You need to discuss these earlier writings and tell us how your theory builds on them or differs from them.

I just zapped the Conclusion that was added in, but left undone. It's not needed for a book format. That's more a science paper, for summing up the results of testing a hypothesis.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,22:40   

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Same thing for finch beaks, where data indicates a mechanism (still being investigated) which senses and successfully responds to changing environment, not dumb-luck random variation in a population being acted up selection as was predicted by the Darwinian paradigm.
Yes, that seems important. Perhaps you'd be good enough to give us an example of this happening.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,23:21   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Dec. 28 2012,22:40)
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Same thing for finch beaks, where data indicates a mechanism (still being investigated) which senses and successfully responds to changing environment, not dumb-luck random variation in a population being acted up selection as was predicted by the Darwinian paradigm.
Yes, that seems important. Perhaps you'd be good enough to give us an example of this happening.

Just put "finch beak epigenetics" into Google scholar then start reading the "Should evolutionary theory evolve" and other related info, including papers:

http://scholar.google.com/scholar....s_sdtp=

This is a very real scientific issue where the model in the ID theory shows how that circuit works, while the Darwinian paradigm proves to have had nothing but old stories about random mutation of DNA code making a random variety of beaks for selection to act upon. Epigenetics has been a big problem, for the old paradigm, but not for the other that expects that, instead.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,23:27   

I don't see anything contrary to standard evolutionary theory at those links. Perhaps you could give me a specific example. Epigenetics is pretty old stuff. I expected to see something from you that is outside the mainstream.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2012,00:54   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Dec. 28 2012,23:27)
I don't see anything contrary to standard evolutionary theory at those links. Perhaps you could give me a specific example. Epigenetics is pretty old stuff. I expected to see something from you that is outside the mainstream.

POTW

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2012,01:27   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Dec. 28 2012,23:27)
I don't see anything contrary to standard evolutionary theory at those links. Perhaps you could give me a specific example. Epigenetics is pretty old stuff. I expected to see something from you that is outside the mainstream.

This theory does not have to be "contrary to standard evolutionary theory". You are now just making false analogies, while trying to brush off Genetic Algorithm type beak adaptation models having proven to have been hogwash.

DNA code does not even change over seasons, like once thought/taught. Paradigm led to failed predictions GA models would seem to have verified. Likewise, the GA based world-view proved loaded with problems, one of them being it's not a realistic model of finch beak development. Where you have no realistic model, you have none, period. The theory I explain has the right model for that, and it sure did not come from Charles Darwin. Came mostly from David Heiserman, with some Arnold Trehub there too.

Science goes where the evidence leads. Not keeping up with changes epigenetics has already caused is what leads to eventually finding yourself outside the mainstream.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2012,10:01   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 29 2012,01:27)
DNA code does not even change over seasons, like once thought/taught.

This thing sez the darndest things! LOL

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