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| Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 05 2008,11:48) | SalCordova is a tard.
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| Quote (scordova @ 03/05/2008, 8:48 am) | | Quote (Gerry Rzeppa @ 03/05/2008, 2:38 am) |
Christians among us, at least, should not be putting their candles under bushel baskets.
Rampant materialism isn’t a scientific or intellectual problem; and it won’t be defeated with scientific or intellectual solutions. Spiritual enemies can only be overcome when we don “the whole armor of God” and take up, along with our scientific and intellectual arguments, the essential spiritual weapons God has so graciously provided us. |
Although I think what you say is well meaning, that is not necessarily the way the Apostle Paul defended the Christian faith in Acts 17 when he cited Greek prophets.
The Greek Prophets of today are science and the scientific methods. God made the world such that whatever flawed world view one may have, one can still be led to the truth. If having a perfect world view is a prerequisite to arriving at the truth, none of us could be saved.
Thus, I begin my defense of ID with these assumptions for the sake of argument:
1. There is no God
2. Methodological Naturalism is True
3. Materialism is True
When considering these three premises in light of the evidence, this leads to a contradiction. This form of argument is known as Proof by Contradiction.
Even though I have the freedom to defend ID by saying , “ID is true because the Bible says so”, I don’t, and even most of the Christians in the IDEA clubs that I knew would find such arguments anemic and not necessarily honoring of God. Acts 17 is a model of how to defend the Christian faith without appeal to circular reasoning.
One actually may weaken one’s defense of the Christian faith by appealing to the authority of the Bible.
Romans 1:20 says God made the world to testify of Him such that even those without a Christian world view can see design. We don’t honor the spirit of that verse by insisting one needs the right world view to see design.
Jesus effectively said in John 10:38, “if you cannot believe my words, believe the works”. Thus even the Lord knows some come to the table who doubt His words. The cure the Lord prescribes is not to exert more effort believing the Christian world-view, but to study the evidence.
Phil Johnson said, “the first thing we need to do is take the Bible out of the discussion.” I think he is right, and in light of Romans 1:20 and Acts 17, John 10:38 that may actually be the scriptural thing to do, ironic as it may seem.
Thus the ID argument does not have to be presented with any theological assumptions. The discussion of where the evidence ultimately leads can be saved for another discussion….besides would you want Christian doctrine being taught by those who don’t believe it anyway (such as we might find in public schools)?
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So to prove the Bible is scientifically accurate and to defeat the non-Biblical atheist heathen hordes, we should stop using the Bible to prove the Bible, and that's Biblical because it says so in the Bible.
...or something.
Erasmus, I'm really trying to cut down on the directly injected TARD. Please quit tempting me so.
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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend
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