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Posted: Mar. 12 2008,12:13

bFast says

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The link between the designer and any particular God view is outside of the theory, and varies with the beliefs of the individual talking. Muslims, for instance, are welcome here.

Does anybody have to hand what DaveScot wrote recently about Muslims? Seems to me Muslims are very much not welcome at UD.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Posted: Mar. 12 2008,13:24

Random Mutation?

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University of California at Berkeley has been on record for several years that evolution is not concerned about the origin of life

See this on their website about evolution

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/.....eory.shtml

It is standard with evolutionary biologists to not be concerned with OOL. It is an important issue and one often misrepresented in textbo�ks but usually only a minor discussion within the discussion of evolution.

textbo�ks?

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Posted: Mar. 12 2008,13:28

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The link between the designer and any particular God view is outside of the theory, and varies with the beliefs of the individual talking. Muslims, for instance, are welcome here.

Does anybody have to hand what DaveScot wrote recently about Muslims? Seems to me Muslims are very much not welcome at UD.

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Start here, tho I think I recall Dave screaming at a Muslim IDer who dared stray onto 'his' blog last fall.

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Josh is right about me banning him. He was close to the first! Tribune7 can't be him unless he got a new IP address. I caught Josh "The Cunt" Bozeman in several guises by his IP address. Josh was guilty of way too much bible thumping. I can only give so much leeway to a book written 2000 years ago by lice ridden beduins, after all. Especially after 9/11. Everyone knows those Arab beduins are a bunch of liars that like buggering camels and young boys but won't admit it.

Dave, a hint: blogging while drunk is very risky.

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Posted: Mar. 12 2008,13:46

This was the one I was after

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Islam is a cancer growing on the planet. It needs to be killed not accomodated. It�s an ugly, dysfunctional belief system even in milder forms, that subjugates the female half of the population. However, since we can�t just kill them all (we can kill the worst offenders though) we have to put a more attractive alternative in place. The more attractive alternative is democracy. Islam can�t survive in democracies for long. It won�t go down without a fight so there must be some bloodshed before it�s a closed chapter in history.

DaveScot On Muslims

Hey bFast, care to rethink your "UncommonDescent welcomes our Muslim brothers" line?

DS later goes on to say

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I�m not interested in encouraging Islam anymore than I�m interested in encouraging satanism or skinheads.

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And there's loads more on that thread too.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Posted: Mar. 12 2008,17:06

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Just curious�How does interspecific hybridization occur between a Pan & Homo ?

Umm....just like you'd think?!? Or is this a research proposal for the DI? Coming soon to a "peer-reviewed" journal near you....

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Posted: Mar. 12 2008,17:17

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Just curious�How does interspecific hybridization occur between a Pan & Homo ?

Erasmus would know.

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Posted: Mar. 12 2008,17:28

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 12 2008,17:17)

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Just curious�How does interspecific hybridization occur between a Pan & Homo ?

Erasmus would know.

Is he the chimp or the homo?

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Posted: Mar. 12 2008,18:38

A nice bit of candor by PannenbergOmega:

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It�s too bad (in my opinion) that there is so much evidence for common ancestry. I don�t see how you can reconcile it with the Biblical account of creation.

What I�m saying is, I wish the data undeniably supported the Biblical account of creation.

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Posted: Mar. 12 2008,18:57

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Just curious�How does interspecific hybridization occur between a Pan & Homo ?

Erasmus would know.

Is he the chimp or the homo?

Feh! The hybridization would have occurred between about 6.3 - 5.4 MYA, if I understand the Patterson paper correctly. This puts the hybridization between chimps and Sahelanthropus and/or Ardipithecus (with an outside chance that Australopithecus was involved). At any rate, this is far too early for Homo to be involved. Whether Erasmus is a chimp or a Homo is not addressed by the Patterson paper, so you are all free to speculate wildly

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Posted: Mar. 12 2008,19:36

I think that the reproductive isolation is based on a post-zygotic mechanism. At least that is what Arden's mom said.

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Posted: Mar. 12 2008,21:10

Another ID discovery: the world's oldest infant?

StephenB, from the Thomas Jefferson thread:

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To me, it is unreasonable to de-intensify our rhetorical defense of ID until it produces some scientific miracle. Once that happens, it will not NEED defending and will no longer be vulnerable to assassins who would kill it in its infancy.

To me, it is unreasonable to rule out Jefferson�s clear words in support of ID simply because he is not one of our contemporaries. In fact, ID is over two thousand years old, and everything that was said about it in antiquity still applies.

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Posted: Mar. 12 2008,21:19

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Another ID discovery: the world's oldest infant?

StephenB, from the Thomas Jefferson thread:

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To me, it is unreasonable to de-intensify our rhetorical defense of ID until it produces some scientific miracle. Once that happens, it will not NEED defending and will no longer be vulnerable to assassins who would kill it in its infancy.

To me, it is unreasonable to rule out Jefferson�s clear words in support of ID simply because he is not one of our contemporaries. In fact, ID is over two thousand years old, and everything that was said about it in antiquity still applies.

That there's some good tard-mining, Leftfield! �Don't forget to de-contaminate before you go out in public again.

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Posted: Mar. 12 2008,22:43

Quote (Leftfield @ Mar. 12 2008,19:10)

Another ID discovery: the world's oldest infant?

StephenB, from the Thomas Jefferson thread:

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To me, it is unreasonable to de-intensify our rhetorical defense of ID until it produces some scientific miracle. Once that happens, it will not NEED defending and will no longer be vulnerable to assassins who would kill it in its infancy.

To me, it is unreasonable to rule out Jefferson�s clear words in support of ID simply because he is not one of our contemporaries. In fact, ID is over two thousand years old, and everything that was said about it in antiquity still applies.

Yes indeed. A brave plunge into the depth of the IDioTard to retrieve this trophy IDIOTARDTURD.

Huraah !!!!!!111!!!11oneoneeleven

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Posted: Mar. 13 2008,00:14

IIRC, there's also a DaveScot quote out there where he says ID's research program is sixty years old. Talk about not staying on-message.

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Posted: Mar. 13 2008,08:52

My Gods The STupid

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We supposedly share 50% DNA with bananas. Does that mean we also share common ancestry with them? Or toads? Or mice? Or any organism you care to mention?

Can anyone tell me where this bullshit comes from? You see it a lot, but I don't know the history of such stupidity. I suspect it has descended with modification from Gish's bullfrog nonsense, but I can't be sure since Ray Comfort etc etc. Wes?

Ps I haven't looked at the index of claims yet was hoping someone was a crackpot historian that knew off the top of ye olde noggin.

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Posted: Mar. 13 2008,10:04

Banana DNA in antievolution argument

More dismissal of common descent featuring bananas

I had thought the banana comparison was a Hovind thing, but a quick Google of his website doesn't bring it up.

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Posted: Mar. 13 2008,11:03

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Banana DNA in antievolution argument

More dismissal of common descent featuring bananas

I had thought the banana comparison was a Hovind thing, but a quick Google of his website doesn't bring it up.

I could make some snarky, yet crude comments here based on bananas, research and Ol' Kent's recent travails and new home, but my Atheistic morals prevent me from sinking that low and grabbing the low-hanging juicy fruit.

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Posted: Mar. 13 2008,11:13

Oh don't get your panties in a bunch...

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Posted: Mar. 13 2008,14:43

Dave Tard gives and gives

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I�m not sure I buy your story about plants hybridizing so easily. Pollen travels quite a ways both airborne and via insects and I don�t know of much in the way of hybrids from different species emerging from it. Flowering plants might simply be more promiscuous as they passively get exposed to pollen from many other different species (which doesn�t result in hybrids) while at the same time they get exposed to many close variants of their own species which does result in hybrids

Biology from Your Ass!!!!

ALL SCIENCE SO FAR

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Posted: Mar. 13 2008,15:04

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Dave Tard gives and gives

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I�m not sure I buy your story about plants hybridizing so easily. Pollen travels quite a ways both airborne and via insects and I don�t know of much in the way of hybrids from different species emerging from it. Flowering plants might simply be more promiscuous as they passively get exposed to pollen from many other different species (which doesn�t result in hybrids) while at the same time they get exposed to many close variants of their own species which does result in hybrids

Biology from Your Ass!!!!

ALL SCIENCE SO FAR

They're too long to quote, so just go and check out Allen MacNeill's comments (#31-37) in that thread. A model of patience and clarity. Read them while they last.

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Posted: Mar. 13 2008,15:43

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I don�t know of much in the way of hybrids from different species emerging from it

Jesus god what a fool. There are whole books written on this stuff. I don't know what Allen gets out of kicking the tards around, he just doesn't seem like he is getting the same sadistic thrill of enjoying the tard that I know most of us do (which is why we're here, except for Arden and he is here for VMartin). His behavior in that thread has forced me to conclude that MacNeill is either the consummate educator, or the consummate babysitter. Or one hell of a good tard miner because that thread gives and gives.

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Posted: Mar. 13 2008,15:49

Is this guy one of you?

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If Darwinists want sympathy, you�ve come to the wrong place.

Why does he think that 'Darwinists' want sympathy from a bunch of creationists?

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Also, your holiet than thou attitude is getting a bit old. After all it was your Darwinian philosophy that helped produce Hitler.

Splendid. Calmly explain to the IDers some of the MANY MANY things they don't understand and this makes you "holiet than thou".

The gratuitous Hitler reference is just the cherry on the tard sundae.

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Posted: Mar. 13 2008,16:05

On the funniest thread at UD for ages Allen says

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All good questions, and all potentially answerable by evolutionary biologists, especially paleontologists. I�m looking forward to reading about what they discover as a result of their field and laboratory investigations.

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Will Davescot respond with a list of questions the ID labs are working on? Results soon huh DS?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Posted: Mar. 13 2008,16:10

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 13 2008,16:05)

On the funniest thread at UD for ages Allen says � �

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All good questions, and all potentially answerable by evolutionary biologists, especially paleontologists. I�m looking forward to reading about what they discover as a result of their field and laboratory investigations.

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Will Davescot respond with a list of questions the ID labs are working on? Results soon huh DS?

They *are* overdue -- how long has it been since DT first started growing those toadstools in the basement of his houseboat?

It's funny how quiet that thread is. Nothing clears out a UD thread faster than someone well informed patiently showing the ignorance of the locals. If only he'd started chanting DAWKINS BAD! LIBERALS BAD! MUSLIMS BAD! USA! USA! USA!, there'd be a hundred posts there by now.

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Posted: Mar. 13 2008,16:43

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It's funny how quiet that thread is. Nothing clears out a UD thread faster than someone well informed patiently showing the ignorance of the locals. If only he'd started chanting DAWKINS BAD! LIBERALS BAD! MUSLIMS BAD! USA! USA! USA!, there'd be a hundred posts there by now.

There's an Indian saying: "playing the flute to the water buffalo."

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Posted: Mar. 13 2008,16:49

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 13 2008,17:05)

On the funniest thread at UD for ages Allen says �

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All good questions, and all potentially answerable by evolutionary biologists, especially paleontologists. I�m looking forward to reading about what they discover as a result of their field and laboratory investigations.

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Will Davescot respond with a list of questions the ID labs are working on? Results soon huh DS?

dont have ansers yet huh you evilutionist? well then id wins and god is great and USA rulez and your goin to hell for being godless and stuff

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Posted: Mar. 13 2008,17:16

DaveScot

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All you had to say was there are two telomeres in the middle of the chromosome. Theoretically the telomeres could have been inserted by random mutation into an unfused chromosome which later split in two at the convenient join. But that doesn�t seem as likely as a fusion so I�ll call myself satisfied with a fusion as the best explanation.

How dare you give a detailed, well thought-out, and polite answer to the question I thought would stump you. That's one strike. Allen - one more and you're outta here.

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Posted: Mar. 13 2008,18:45

Is RRE one of us :angry:

or one of them

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Posted: Mar. 13 2008,20:38

Gerrin there...

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Yes, it�s analogy. But it�s a stunning analogy if you know enough about both human designed machinery and the machinery found in living cells.

Of course, Dave knows squat about either. It's stunning because he's an idiot.

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There appears to be no end to how deep the analogy goes. There�s nothing else in the universe that�s analogous to the machinery in living cells except the machinery that humans design.

Dave's been all around the universe by the power of Mushrooms. He knows.

Twat.

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