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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,00:38   

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By your own actions you have made it necessary for me to take this forum down in disgrace.

Take it down in disgrace?

What does that mean, Gary?

As explained in the previous page you get what you deserve, a bad reputation as no "science defender" just nutcases that are not worth taking seriously. It also goes with this earlier played popular song I love:

Come With Me Now - Kongos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....YuqJRJQ

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,00:40   

Video link for KONGOS - Come With Me Now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....VlQkn4Q

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,07:24   

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The only honest feedback I have received from real people who are well enough educated to understand my situation is that I'm a fool

So far so good, this bit is entirely accurate and reflects the unanimity of opinion of sources from across the internet and over at least 7 years.
 
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to be in this toilet of a forum allowing bullying nutcases to constantly throw insults at the theory and I.

Ah, and then one of the more insane voices in Gary's head takes over and spews nonsense.  This appears to be one of the ones responsible for Gary's appalling abuse of English.
Think it through the way my 7th grade English teacher taught, Gary -- take out the conjunction and first predicate, then read it with only the  second predicate.  "throw insults at I."  It's not even English, as already noted.
But it does demonstrate your delusions of adequacy.
 
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Thankfully I now spend minimal time here.

Well, we're by and large rather thankful for this, although we do miss some of the more epic lulz, and the amazingly consistent, but often uniquely Gaulinian, fails.
 
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And that's just to make it more clear that you and the other whiners still have no scientific evidence at all against the theory,
False, as this entire thread demonstrates.  You have no scientific evidence for it, and where it is sufficiently coherent as to be meaningful, it is demonstrably wrong, based on the evidence.
 
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while all new scientific evidence from new discoveries and databases such as the earlier mentioned one for epigenetics (that the theory needs more of to accurately model cellular intelligence) only further proves that the theory is actually very explanatory and predictive.
Nope, not even close.
The theory has zero explanatory power.  If it did have, you could answer some of the many questions posed to you.  That you do not even attempt to point to where or how the  "theory" is even consistent with the facts behind the questions show that some of the slightly more sane parts of you are aware of this.
 
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By your own actions you have made it necessary for me to take this forum down in disgrace.

Ah, what a pity.  From delusions of adequacy to delusions of power and effectiveness.  Trust us on this, you have even less of those than you do adequacy.
You couldn't take down a poster lightly taped to a wall, still less a site on which you are so insignificant as to attract attention from only a small minority of the total set of posters/members.  Tedious twits like you are a dime a dozen; hell, they're free, they proliferate like mushrooms after a rain.
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Throwing even more insults at me only helps show that you and others have nothing scientific against it at all.

Nope, not even.
The most fundamental mistake here is your tedious assertion, unsupported by the evidence, that all that is ever posted is insults hurled at you and/or your "theory".
You've received a great deal more, and other than, 'mere' insults.  You've fled from every single opportunity to engage on any level other than pouting, whining, deflection, distraction, and temporary absence following an extended flounce towards the exits.

You've lost on every single front.  You've never engaged on the most significant.
Consider that it is at least possible, although it is in fact guaranteed, that the reason you now see predominantly insults rather than meaningful engagement is that insults are the only things you notice.  Same as it ever was, of course.  It supports your delusions of being persecuted.
You appear to be literally unable to see the posts that cast direct challenges against your tedious pile of verbiage mislabeled 'theory'.
We'll have another directly.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,07:25   

Here you go -- grapple with some of these.
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You've got a whole lot of transparent and ineffective distraction going on, Gary.
As NoName said earlier,
   
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Stop deflecting, distracting, and denying.  Man up and deal with the facts on the ground:

A phenomenon is not properly called 'emergent' when it arises from a set of phenomena to which it is properly called 'self-similar'.  And vice versa.
Not all acts of 'intelligence' are motor acts, yet your "theory" insists otherwise.  This flies in the face of your assertion that your, or any competing, "theory" must "explain how ANY intelligence system works."
Deal with the fact that you smuggle 'intelligence' into your module with the undefined and uncharacterized 'guess' function.
Deal with the fact that 'guess' does not equal 'plan'.  Your "theory" is useless as a 'theory of intelligence' if it cannot deal with plans and planning.
Deal with the fact that many acts of intelligence involve imagination, and your "theory" does not deal with imagination at all.
Deal with the fact that some of the most crucial constraints on life are thermodynamic and that your "theory" simply ignores any and all thermodynamic issues.
Etc.

   
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What is the ‘something’ that must be controlled when an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?
Note that none of these require muscle activity of any sort.

What are the senses that address what memory/memories when an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?
Note that each of these has been performed by individuals who lack the 'obvious' sensory modalities one would expect for the product.
Sub-question — what does it mean for memory to be sensory-addressed?  The naive view that has the senses directly writing to memory or directly “indicating” what memory to use and what to store there has been debunked many many years ago.  So what are you talking about here?

What is the measure of confidence to gauge failure and success when an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?
Sub-question — what senses address what memory/memories in the creation, storage, and retrieval of the ‘confidence’ factor?  Is it analog or digital?  What process(es) modify it, at what points, and what difference does it make?

What is the ‘ABILITY TO TAKE A GUESS’?  How is it manifested and how is it utilized when  an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?

What is a guess?  How does ‘guess’ relate to ‘plan’ and to ‘imagination?  Are there factors that feed into/influence the guess?  Is a guess random?  If not, what regularity does it exhibit?  Is it algorithmic?  What algorithm?  Or how is the specific algorithm used chosen?
What justifies embedding ‘guess’ into the “flow” that defines “intelligence” when the ability to guess is generally taken to be an act of intelligence?  How is it we only find guessing happening when we find ‘molecular intelligence’ in your sense, i.e., biology?
(You do realize that a random number generator in a computer program does not ‘guess’?)


And questions from me:
   
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Why is your rubbish not made obsolete by Edgar Postrado's rubbish?

   
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It is also unreasonable to expect out of place detail that would limit the theory to only one level of intelligence (brains) of a model that has to work for any behavior, intelligent or not.


Since you see intelligence darn near everywhere at all levels, in your opinion what behavior would qualify as not intelligent, and why?

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,10:11   

Here's a piece of evidence that not only cannot be accommodated within your "theory", it flatly contradicts it in a number of crucial respects.
Memories move around in the brain

Deal with it.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,11:04   

It looks to me like NoName has been hard at work proving who in this thread is in charge of (from far away) calling "come with me now".

I must honestly give them credit where due by dedicating the Kongos song to NoName. They certainly deserve it for all their help (metaphorically speaking) taking this forum down. The song does have a way of better describing their (show you how) tactic, as opposed to mine where in the best case scenario there is an uplifting happy ending for all.

Either way you choose reason will still prevail. So thank's for the help NoName!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,11:09   

And I think "thank's for the help" should be written "thanks for the help". Please excuse what now looks to me like a punctuation error.

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,11:39   

Gary, we've been working around your punctuation errors for years now.

There's nothing going on that's about "who's in charge".  You desperately want it to be about power and a power struggle, which in and of itself shows your complete cluelessness about science, the process.
All that's going on is showing that you have nothing of any value to anyone other than yourself.
It is not a theory.
It has no basis in facts.
As a result, it has, nor can it bring to bear, any evidence.
It cannot account for a host of facts which it must be able to account for to live up to its billing.  We have brought quite a number of those to your attention; you persist in pretending that the issues do not exist and have never been mentioned.
Thus, it fails due to the inherent dishonesty and lack of integrity of its author.
It cannot account for what it purports to due in no small measure to its mangled prose, it's incompetent redefinition of standard terms, its refusal to abide by standard usage for terms of art within Cognitive Science, despite your frequent claims to be 'working' 'within that area/field/specialty/discipline'.  In point of fact, it uses standard terms in ways flatly contradictory to the standard definitions, as, for example, its abuse of the term 'learn' and its variants.
It is circular in that it smuggles the ideas it is meant to explain in as part of the purported explanation.  Leaving aside the simple and obvious fact that no explanation can be found anywhere in the "theory" there is the problem that you cannot define a thing solely in terms of itself.  Nor in terms that hinge on the thing being explained plus some additional decorations.
It contradicts known facts, such as its absurd notions regarding how memory is formed, stored, retrieved, and what role it plays in intelligence.  My most recent link serves as the most recent occurrence of the provision of evidence of your errors that you continue to dishonestly insist is never presented.
It fails due to a complete lack of operational definitions of key terms, such as 'intelligence'.
It is decorated with one of the most banal and useless "premises" in the history of writing -- "some features [never to be specified in any manner whatsoever] are best explained by 'intelligent cause'".  Insofar as it is meaningful, it is not only banal, it is entirely uncontroversial.  NO ONE is attempting to argue that there is no such thing as intelligence that serves as the best explanation for certain facts in and about the world.  B.F.Skinner was the last to attempt something like that, and his work is all but forgotten as an embarrassment these days.  Your 'work' will never rise to the level of attention required for anyone, ever, to describe it as 'forgotten by science', not least because it is not, nor can it be, any part of science.
This is due to your complete ignorance of both science, the product, and science, the process.  You abuse both, but we are prepared to be gracious and suggest that this is due to massive ignorance and incompetence rather than malice or ill-will.
Most damning of all, and the ultimate ground on which your efforts are obliterated by the adversity of facts, is that you have never, ever, used your "theory" to explain any phenomenon, least of all the ones people have asked you to explain in terms of your "theory".  Your absurdist software neither implements your "theory" nor is susceptible to explanation by your "theory".  The most you have ever done is assert, without foundation or evidence, that your "theory" can or does 'explain' various facts.  No explanation is ever forthcoming, and clear demonstration of how and why your "theory" is incapable of explaining said phenomena remain entirely unaddressed by you.
The only value of your output is to serve as a bad example for others to avoid rather than emulate.  And there are better 'bad examples' out there -- yours is not only redundant, it isn't even good enough to be exemplary as a failure.
Deal with it.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,11:56   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 22 2015,11:09)
And I think "thank's for the help" should be written "thanks for the help". Please excuse what now looks to me like a punctuation error.

Leave it to Gary to focus on a misplaced apostrophe while ignoring his crimes against humanity use of pronouns.

And, of course, claiming that demands that Gary back up his foolishness somehow embarrasses this forum.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,12:10   

Quote (NoName @ Feb. 22 2015,10:11)
Here's a piece of evidence that not only cannot be accommodated within your "theory", it flatly contradicts it in a number of crucial respects.
Memories move around in the brain

Deal with it.

That only helps explain why a digital RAM is the best choice for explaining the basics of how intelligence works. Neural memory systems have to be able to grow and periodically replace neurons without memory contents becoming scrambled. How that is accomplished is poorly understood, which in turn makes an accurate model of a neural memory system currently impossible to achieve.

Your argument does though apply to the multitude of "neural network" models that assume neurons never have to replace themselves. So for you that was another job well done!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,12:26   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 22 2015,13:10)
 
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Here's a piece of evidence that not only cannot be accommodated within your "theory", it flatly contradicts it in a number of crucial respects.
Memories move around in the brain

Deal with it.

That only helps explain why a digital RAM is the best choice for explaining the basics of how intelligence works. Neural memory systems have to be able to grow and periodically replace neurons without memory contents becoming scrambled. How that is accomplished is poorly understood, which in turn makes an accurate model of a neural memory system currently impossible to achieve.

Your argument does though apply to the multitude of "neural network" models that assume neurons never have to replace themselves. So for you that was another job well done!

You clearly do not understand the content or significance of the paper.  Hardly surprising, your ignorance and prejudices preclude any chance of you grasping what is being discussed.
The key point is that memory locations shift over time, and this is in no way due to 'growing and becoming scrambled'.
That you think it is shows you have either not read, or far more likely, completely failed to comprehend the paper.
It directly falsifies your assertions that memory is directly addressed by sensory data mapped to specific memory 'cells', specific memory locations.
And it exposes yet another glaring gap in your "explanatory 'framework'" -- if memory locations are movable within the physical brain, and they are, then sensory addressed memory is not accounted for by your "theory".  If you cannot explain, and you cannot, how sensory data [itself a corrupt and basically false conception of the field of consciousness] cannot directly specify a memory location, which your 'theory' insists it can, then your "theory" is wrong.  Based on evidence.
You cannot account for how memory 'addresses' are changed nor how the fact of the change is tracked and managed within the system, such that 'sensory data' can retrieve the 'data' previously 'stored'.
It explains why a digital RAM with direct access by 'sensory data' is the worst possible, least realistic possible, modeling element for memory.
Elegant, simple, and devastating to your oversimplified pseudo-schematic, and, in fact, not a flaw of neural nets.  A flaw of your "theory", and one you cannot rectify without redoing the entirely of the 'theory'.

As a side-effect, your rejoinder makes it abundantly clear that you have no understanding of neural nets.  Hardly surprising, the list of things you fail to understand is essentially infinite.  The list of things you do understand is unlikely to require more than 2 decimal digits.
What kind of memory circuits to you think neural nets are implemented with?  Something other than digital RAM?
You're an idiot.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,13:22   

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 It's not even English, as already noted.

Gary writes English-ish.  :p

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,14:22   

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They certainly deserve it for all their help (metaphorically speaking) taking this forum down.

Evidently, we can add "taking something down" (in either sense) to the long list of definitions and concepts that elude you.

Along with pronouns.


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It looks to me like NoName has been hard at work proving who in this thread is in charge of (from far away) calling "come with me now".
 That sentence doesn't make any sense: none of us are trying to persuade any one to come with us anywhere, and none of us are trying to prove that someone is in charge of anything (the forum belongs to Wesley, of course).

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,14:24   

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They certainly deserve it for all their help (metaphorically speaking) taking this forum down.

Evidently, we can add "taking something down" (in either sense) to the long list of definitions and concepts that elude you.

Along with pronouns.

I think we would do better by taking the approach that all definitions and concepts elude Gary except and until he demonstrates otherwise, for each one he trots out.
It would be a very very short list, and not require much maintenance at all.
He suffers from repetitive stupidity disorder.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,15:08   

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It explains why a digital RAM with direct access by 'sensory data' is the worst possible, least realistic possible, modeling element for memory.


Then you better hurry up and notify the cognitive science and machine intelligence communities to immediately correct all illustrations that look like this!



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,15:17   

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It explains why a digital RAM with direct access by 'sensory data' is the worst possible, least realistic possible, modeling element for memory.


Then you better hurry up and notify the cognitive science and machine intelligence communities to immediately correct all illustrations that look like this!


Oh, Gary, you poor sad buffoon.
They already know.
Your absurd little diagram has no traction in that world, and you know it.
This latest research is simply one more bit piled on top of the mountains of evidence your "theory" cannot use, cannot explain, and/or directly contradicts.

Note, too, the absurd conflation of fields and purposes in your response -- machine learning is not concerned with modeling the behavior the organismic sensorium and its relationship to memory.  No more so than the aeronautics community is concerned to properly model the growth patterns of feathers and the contribution of feather morphology to the efficiencies and inefficiencies of wing flapping for avian flight.
There is, in fact, precious little research being done on modeling the animal sensorium and behavioral intelligence.  One of the problems is that operational definitions are hard to come by.  Another is that this is the hard end of the problem, and is fraught with conflicting and overlapping theories that have battled it out for years.
But we have known since the work of the gestalt psychologists, such as Gelb and Goldstein, the the relationship between the sensorium, memory, and behavior is neither linear nor, in any sense, direct and mechanical, nor is it digital.  It has been well-characterized in those respects since the 1920's.
That you are unaware of this would be a surprise if you were actually competent in any of the fields whose name  you take in vain.

But to pretend that anybody anywhere in any scientific field takes your ridiculous "model" or diagram seriously is one of your top three epic fails.
You could, of course, easily refute this by providing confirmable references.  That you cannot is merely yet another sign of your failure, your grandiosity, and the ineptitude of your delusions of adequacy.

ETA:  It's already been shown that your work fails to meet a number of qualifications laid out in Trehub and Heiserman's work.  Both of their work is antiquated in terms of 'intelligence research'.  Both of their efforts were devoted to precisely the sort of artificial molding targeted at distinct subset models as are done by aeronautics.
Their work has no more to do with organismic sensation, behavior, or intelligence, than the work of a engineer at Boeing has to do with the sensations, behavior, and flight capabilities of an eagle or a wren.  Totally different targets.
But you, in your grandiose delusional state, insist that you are explaining intelligence as such.  Without operational definitions of the term limiting it to more specific and constrained realms, you're stuck with the common and standard meanings, and have to cover them all.
That you fail is immediately obvious to every single person who encounters your effluent.  Every. Single. Person.
All have rejected it.  You are your only supporter.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,15:32   

Note also, Gary, that we're neither discussing nor arguing about Trehub's work.
Among other virtues to be found in it are the avoidance of such absurd claims as litter your version of the diagram and pervade your '4 requirement model' of "intelligence".
In particular, Trehub does not insist that memory is directly access by sensory data, that the data is directly stored in the equivalent of digital ram, etc.
Trehub's work, unlike yours, does not fall to the evidence in the work I linked to above, the one you so badly miscomprehended.
Think about why, and you'll begin to see the tip of the iceberg of error on which your efforts have been trashed.
The adversity of facts confronts you always, and you always lose.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,18:12   

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By your own actions you have made it necessary for me to take this forum down in disgrace.

Take it down in disgrace?

What does that mean, Gary?

As explained in the previous page you get what you deserve, a bad reputation as no "science defender" just nutcases that are not worth taking seriously. It also goes with this earlier played popular song I love:

Come With Me Now - Kongos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....YuqJRJQ

If unintended irony and projection were a) capable of being bottled and b) valuable, you'd be one of the richest men on earth.  As it is, their worth is right up there with the worthlessness of your not-a-theory, which (judging from your lack of response), you now concede has been made obsolete by Edgar Postrado's work.

Or perhaps you would care to share some evidence or logic that supports your stuff and not Postrado's? ..........

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,18:40   

Another useful breakthrough from the Moser Lab!

Reality is distorted in brain's maps
http://www.sciencedaily.com/release....508.htm

But unfortunately the paper is not open access.

Shearing-induced asymmetry in entorhinal grid cells
http://www.nature.com/nature.....51.html

The given information at least explains why the hexagonal grid pattern is not always symmetrical.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,18:55   

Do you wear a lab coat, Gary?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,19:03   

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Do you wear a lab coat, Gary?

The special kind with the arms that wrap around the back and then buckle.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,21:04   

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Do you wear a lab coat, Gary?

A lab coat would worry me. From my scientific experience I would then have to fear being arrested for impersonating a lab technician.

But I'm getting away with reading abstracts for free! Just don't tell anyone.

This abstract on almost the same thing (also containing vital information to improve my Grid Cell model) was co-published along with the earlier mentioned Nobel Prize sharing lab's paper:

Grid cell symmetry is shaped by environmental geometry
http://www.nature.com/nature.....53.html

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,21:44   

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Or perhaps you would care to share some evidence or logic that supports your stuff and not Postrado's? ..........

Like what? I can't think of anything better than a model that is still doing a fantastic job keeping up with new discoveries that your Darwinian model could not even predict.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,00:04   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 22 2015,21:44)
Quote (N.Wells @ Feb. 22 2015,18:12)
Or perhaps you would care to share some evidence or logic that supports your stuff and not Postrado's? ..........

Like what? I can't think of anything better than a model that is still doing a fantastic job keeping up with new discoveries that your Darwinian model could not even predict.

So, you've got nothing.

I haven't seen you make ANY legitimate predictions from your model.  It evidently ISN'T keeping up with science.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,00:27   

Ah ha! This might contain the answer for how to solve the problem that was causing the latest ID Lab critter to get stuck at boundries, which put the newest model (with internal world model) on hold until further information is available:

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From:
Grid cell symmetry is shaped by environmental geometry
http://www.nature.com/nature.....53.html

Our results provide compelling evidence for the idea that environmental boundaries compete with the internal organization of the grid cell system to drive grid firing. Notably, grid cell activity is more local than previously thought and as a consequence cannot provide a universal spatial metric in all environments.


I wish I had the time to try this out in the ID Lab model. But it's only science. It's only science..

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,06:48   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 23 2015,08:27)
Ah ha! This might contain the answer for how to solve the problem that was causing the latest ID Lab critter to get stuck at boundries, which put the newest model (with internal world model) on hold until further information is available:

 
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From:
Grid cell symmetry is shaped by environmental geometry
http://www.nature.com/nature.....53.html

Our results provide compelling evidence for the idea that environmental boundaries compete with the internal organization of the grid cell system to drive grid firing. Notably, grid cell activity is more local than previously thought and as a consequence cannot provide a universal spatial metric in all environments.


I wish I had the time to try this out in the ID Lab model. But it's only science. It's only science..

Poor sad you Gary. Unfortunately you don't rate even a glorious tragedy, poor you is only less than trivially mundane. No talent, no stymied glory, no brains only grinding boredom which you mistake for enlightenment.

As the most lonely troll on the internet you make all the rest look ....well better.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,07:05   

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Or perhaps you would care to share some evidence or logic that supports your stuff and not Postrado's? ..........

Like what? I can't think of anything better than a model that is still doing a fantastic job keeping up with new discoveries that your Darwinian model could not even predict.

There is an entire chorus of error in your response to Mr. Wells.
Of course you "can't think of anything better" -- that's been obvious for years now.
Your "model" is doing a fantastic job of keeping up with biological research the exact same way that the old plastic models "The Visible Man" and "The Visible Woman" are keeping up with anatomy, physiology, and reproductive science discoveries.
Or the way a plastic model of the spaceship from Lost in Space is keeping up with advances in rocketry and planetary observation.
In the first example above, the claim is only ludicrous because in at least some sense the models are grounded in reality, they are truth based.
In the second, we're a good deal closer to your territory -- there is no underlying reality, no truth-basing, to the model spaceship.  It is a model of a fiction.

One of the key things to keep in mind about models, Gary, is that they leave things out.  And their suitability for any given purpose is at least as impacted by what is missing as by what is included.  When the model is of a fiction, as yours is, there is no reason whatsoever to believe that any insight into factual reality will result from playing with it.
And that's all you're doing, playing.

Playing with your model and misinterpreting abstracts of science papers is not science, it does not show that your model made predictions, nor  that the predictions were accurate.  As to how the modern evolutionary synthesis is doing at prediction, well, you're not competent to judge, now are you?

What you are up to is not science, it never was, and it never will be.
Regardless of what some of the more unhinged voices in your head keep telling you.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,07:12   

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I wish I had the time to try this out in the ID Lab model. But it's only science. It's only science..

No, it's not.
And the "ID Lab model" is known to be false to fact in one key area -- no real-world creature is known to use a strict grid-based representation of its milieu, nor does any real-world creature 'decide' on which direction to move based on a pre-built map of all possible moves from its current position, stored as an array of possible choices, perhaps with a ranking scheme employed.
We've known for quite a long time that this doesn't work, it doesn't match the real world.
That you can map a county with pen and ink says nothing about the creation of the features of the county with pen and ink.  That you can model certain aspects of movement, more or less adequately for purposes of the model, using a hex grid, says nothing whatsoever about the underlying reality of how things move.
You can't even accurately track the actual movement of soldiers in the Nazi invasion of Russia and the subsequent retreat using a hex grid.  Nor the movements of battleships in a naval engagement.  Still less can you map the movement of aircraft, which is inherently 3d, using a 2d hex grid.

How can we miss you if you won't go away?
How can you trust yourself when you keep lying to yourself and others about what you're going to do?  Keep that up and you're going to wind up with the same evaluation of yourself that the rest of us have.  Dishonest, lacking in integrity, fundamentally ignorant and clueless, and filled with boundless grandiosity totally divorced from achievement or implementation of promised intentions.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,08:01   

Quote (NoName @ Feb. 23 2015,15:12)
   
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 23 2015,01:27)
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I wish I had the time to try this out in the ID Lab model. But it's only science. It's only science..

No, it's not.
And the "ID Lab model" is known to be false to fact in one key area -- no real-world creature is known to use a strict grid-based representation of its milieu, nor does any real-world creature 'decide' on which direction to move based on a pre-built map of all possible moves from its current position, stored as an array of possible choices, perhaps with a ranking scheme employed.
We've known for quite a long time that this doesn't work, it doesn't match the real world.
That you can map a county with pen and ink says nothing about the creation of the features of the county with pen and ink.  That you can model certain aspects of movement, more or less adequately for purposes of the model, using a hex grid, says nothing whatsoever about the underlying reality of how things move.
You can't even accurately track the actual movement of soldiers in the Nazi invasion of Russia and the subsequent retreat using a hex grid.  Nor the movements of battleships in a naval engagement.  Still less can you map the movement of aircraft, which is inherently 3d, using a 2d hex grid.

How can we miss you if you won't go away?
How can you trust yourself when you keep lying to yourself and others about what you're going to do?  Keep that up and you're going to wind up with the same evaluation of yourself that the rest of us have.  Dishonest, lacking in integrity, fundamentally ignorant and clueless, and filled with boundless grandiosity totally divorced from achievement or implementation of promised intentions.

Um...it's not even ID. Who's the demigod of ID these days? Whoever it is hasn't waved the holy cash register over Gary's garbage and given it the imprimatur of tard. Neither have the hoi polloi at UD, in fact they completely ignored him. Barry hasn't dragged himself away from collecting unpaid hire purchase payments and holding séances with Hitler, Stalin and some unknown Scandinavian preacher. Joe didn't offer a reach around nor was there a sly invite to the Baylor ID broom closet let alone the VIP section of the cafeteria. Gary should call his "theory" Unintelligent Plagiarisms.

ETA: Corrected Barry's actual action and his inaction vis-a-vis GG.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,08:20   

Quote (k.e.. @ Feb. 23 2015,09:01)
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Um...it's not even ID. Who's the demigod of ID these days? Whoever it is hasn't waved the holy cash register over Gary's garbage and given it the imprimatur of tard. Neither have the hoi polloi at UD, in fact they completely ignored him. Barry has dragged himself away from collecting unpaid hire purchase payments and  séances, Joe didn't offer a reach around nor was there a sly invite to the Baylor broom closet let alone the VIP section of the cafeteria. Gary should call his "theory" Unintelligent Plagiarisms.

Heh.  Too true, much to Gary's discomfiture.

There is as much 'intelligent design' in Gary's work as there is 'intelligence' in its author.  I can think of no more damning an assessment.
It for sure is no part of any element whatsoever of the 'ID Movement'.  No one but Gary thinks otherwise, and in Gary's case 'thinks' is quite a stretch.

  
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