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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2015,06:58   

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Writing letters to friends that can take a month or more to arrive and attending meetings where there is a small roomful of like minded people is also part of a bygone era, that does not work in the modern age of science.
Absolutely, but you said that "printed journals/magazines" were the only way to communicate scientific results, and that's not true.  Also, books remain a valid means of publishing results.

   
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Anyone who needs to dwell on perfect English grammar is no friend of science. That's just more of the "science journal" mentality that turned science into a writing contest. But of course the companies that charge researchers several thousand dollars to make papers acceptable to science journals have a good reason to like it that way.
I'm not asking for perfect grammar, but just comprehensible writing where the readers don't have to guess at what the heck you are trying to say several times per sentence.  However, your many additional minor quirks and errors are off-putting, to say the least, which interferes with you getting your message to your readers.  You want your readers thinking "now that's insightful" and "how interesting", not "what on earth is he talking about?" and "good grief, what a moron."

I was trying to remain specific to what is often demanded in this thread, which is to publish in science journals instead of where I normally publish my computer models (at Planet Source Code).

It would be nice for me to have the time to keep up with my writing work. But I can't afford it right now. But oh well, it's only science. It's only science. It's only science. .

What's demanded of you in/by this thread, and countless other locations on the net you have infested over the years is not so much publication in science journals but rather to do the necessary pre-work that such publication would demonstrate.
Your flaws are not that you are unpublished.  They are only just barely that your work is unpublishable as it stands.
The flaws in your work are incoherency, lack of definitions, lack of precision, lack of operational definitions, lack of evidence, presence of internal contradictions, etc.
The flaws are exacerbated by your continual refusal to grapple with substantive issues that have been raised regarding each of these flaws.  You get huffy, you get snooty, you get  petulant and whiny, but somehow you never get to the point.  You never rise to a challenge.   You never, despite your repeated lies to the contrary, explain anything about your "theory" nor about how your "theory" and your risible pseudo-Roomba are related.
You never provide evidence.  You never provide clarification of your utterly banal and uncontroversial "premise".  No one ever anywhere claimed that there are no features of the universe best explained by intelligent cause.  Yet that is all you are claiming, that there are such things.  Well, yippee, welcome to the crowd.
What you need to do is describe *which* things you are speaking of, why those things specifically require explanation by intelligent cause, and  the provide the operational definitions, causal links, logical structure and coherent argument to show that you have such an explanation.
You have done none of those things.  You have refused to engage at any point on any single one of those flaws.

You are mega=parsecs removed from being able to publish in a science journal until you remove those flaws.
You are  also mega-parsecs removed from being able to publish in a science journal until your linguistic skills improve dramatically or until you find a Gaulin to English translator and a seriously motivated editor.
But of course, first you'd have to convince them, which loops the problem right back to the flaws and your refusal to engage to rectify them.

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2015,07:01   

Here's a condensed view of the iceberg's tip of the issues you need to address, fully and completely and satisfactorily before you can maintain your pretense to be  'doing science'.
Until you step up to these, your whining is a pathetic act.
   
Quote (N.Wells @ Dec. 31 2014,09:31)
You've got a whole lot of transparent and ineffective distraction going on, Gary.
As NoName said earlier,
             
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Stop deflecting, distracting, and denying.  Man up and deal with the facts on the ground:

A phenomenon is not properly called 'emergent' when it arises from a set of phenomena to which it is properly called 'self-similar'.  And vice versa.
Not all acts of 'intelligence' are motor acts, yet your "theory" insists otherwise.  This flies in the face of your assertion that your, or any competing, "theory" must "explain how ANY intelligence system works."
Deal with the fact that you smuggle 'intelligence' into your module with the undefined and uncharacterized 'guess' function.
Deal with the fact that 'guess' does not equal 'plan'.  Your "theory" is useless as a 'theory of intelligence' if it cannot deal with plans and planning.
Deal with the fact that many acts of intelligence involve imagination, and your "theory" does not deal with imagination at all.
Deal with the fact that some of the most crucial constraints on life are thermodynamic and that your "theory" simply ignores any and all thermodynamic issues.
Etc.

             
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What is the ‘something’ that must be controlled when an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?
Note that none of these require muscle activity of any sort.

What are the senses that address what memory/memories when an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?
Note that each of these has been performed by individuals who lack the 'obvious' sensory modalities one would expect for the product.
Sub-question — what does it mean for memory to be sensory-addressed?  The naive view that has the senses directly writing to memory or directly “indicating” what memory to use and what to store there has been debunked many many years ago.  So what are you talking about here?

What is the measure of confidence to gauge failure and success when an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?
Sub-question — what senses address what memory/memories in the creation, storage, and retrieval of the ‘confidence’ factor?  Is it analog or digital?  What process(es) modify it, at what points, and what difference does it make?

What is the ‘ABILITY TO TAKE A GUESS’?  How is it manifested and how is it utilized when  an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?

What is a guess?  How does ‘guess’ relate to ‘plan’ and to ‘imagination?  Are there factors that feed into/influence the guess?  Is a guess random?  If not, what regularity does it exhibit?  Is it algorithmic?  What algorithm?  Or how is the specific algorithm used chosen?
What justifies embedding ‘guess’ into the “flow” that defines “intelligence” when the ability to guess is generally taken to be an act of intelligence?  How is it we only find guessing happening when we find ‘molecular intelligence’ in your sense, i.e., biology?
(You do realize that a random number generator in a computer program does not ‘guess’?)


And questions from me:
             
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Why is your rubbish not made obsolete by Edgar Postrado's rubbish?

             
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It is also unreasonable to expect out of place detail that would limit the theory to only one level of intelligence (brains) of a model that has to work for any behavior, intelligent or not.


Since you see intelligence darn near everywhere at all levels, in your opinion what behavior would qualify as not intelligent, and why?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2015,08:44   

and cue GG saying "you're not the boss of me" in 3... 2...

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2015,08:48   

Wouldn't it be astounding if Gary actually told us what it is that he thinks makes his swill 'science'?  Beyond his lies that it "explains" intelligence, that is.

But I think we're going to see the same effluent from him that he's been producing in abundance for years now.  Deflection, distraction, avoidance, and poo-flinging.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2015,08:57   

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I have not posted a lot to this forum because I was waiting to see whether your claims were anything more than hot air from a creationist. They aren't.

I await your apology and retraction.

I owe you nothing. Good day...

Yep, pusillanimous swine often fail to recognize when they are in the wrong.

Oh go play with your Avida. You are so biased you should shut-up before you get yourself in even more trouble.

Unless of course you are throwing insults at ChemiCat, but I doubt it.

Gary got something right; I'm not referring to ChemiCat.

As for the rest, what trouble? Is Gary pestering Casey again?

Huh? I don't get it. The link sent my browser back to the start of this thread.

Black helicopters Gary, can't you hear them?

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2015,09:01   

Quote (NoName @ Feb. 06 2015,15:01)
Here's a condensed view of the iceberg's tip of the issues you need to address, fully and completely and satisfactorily before you can maintain your pretense to be  'doing science'.
Until you step up to these, your whining is a pathetic act.
   
Quote (N.Wells @ Dec. 31 2014,09:31)
You've got a whole lot of transparent and ineffective distraction going on, Gary.
As NoName said earlier,
             
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Stop deflecting, distracting, and denying.  Man up and deal with the facts on the ground:

A phenomenon is not properly called 'emergent' when it arises from a set of phenomena to which it is properly called 'self-similar'.  And vice versa.
Not all acts of 'intelligence' are motor acts, yet your "theory" insists otherwise.  This flies in the face of your assertion that your, or any competing, "theory" must "explain how ANY intelligence system works."
Deal with the fact that you smuggle 'intelligence' into your module with the undefined and uncharacterized 'guess' function.
Deal with the fact that 'guess' does not equal 'plan'.  Your "theory" is useless as a 'theory of intelligence' if it cannot deal with plans and planning.
Deal with the fact that many acts of intelligence involve imagination, and your "theory" does not deal with imagination at all.
Deal with the fact that some of the most crucial constraints on life are thermodynamic and that your "theory" simply ignores any and all thermodynamic issues.
Etc.

             
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What is the ‘something’ that must be controlled when an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?
Note that none of these require muscle activity of any sort.

What are the senses that address what memory/memories when an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?
Note that each of these has been performed by individuals who lack the 'obvious' sensory modalities one would expect for the product.
Sub-question — what does it mean for memory to be sensory-addressed?  The naive view that has the senses directly writing to memory or directly “indicating” what memory to use and what to store there has been debunked many many years ago.  So what are you talking about here?

What is the measure of confidence to gauge failure and success when an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?
Sub-question — what senses address what memory/memories in the creation, storage, and retrieval of the ‘confidence’ factor?  Is it analog or digital?  What process(es) modify it, at what points, and what difference does it make?

What is the ‘ABILITY TO TAKE A GUESS’?  How is it manifested and how is it utilized when  an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?

What is a guess?  How does ‘guess’ relate to ‘plan’ and to ‘imagination?  Are there factors that feed into/influence the guess?  Is a guess random?  If not, what regularity does it exhibit?  Is it algorithmic?  What algorithm?  Or how is the specific algorithm used chosen?
What justifies embedding ‘guess’ into the “flow” that defines “intelligence” when the ability to guess is generally taken to be an act of intelligence?  How is it we only find guessing happening when we find ‘molecular intelligence’ in your sense, i.e., biology?
(You do realize that a random number generator in a computer program does not ‘guess’?)


And questions from me:
             
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Why is your rubbish not made obsolete by Edgar Postrado's rubbish?

             
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It is also unreasonable to expect out of place detail that would limit the theory to only one level of intelligence (brains) of a model that has to work for any behavior, intelligent or not.


Since you see intelligence darn near everywhere at all levels, in your opinion what behavior would qualify as not intelligent, and why?

Am I the only one to notice free basing gg leads to grammar toxicosis?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2015,09:18   

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I have not posted a lot to this forum because I was waiting to see whether your claims were anything more than hot air from a creationist. They aren't.

I await your apology and retraction.

I owe you nothing. Good day...

Yep, pusillanimous swine often fail to recognize when they are in the wrong.

Oh go play with your Avida. You are so biased you should shut-up before you get yourself in even more trouble.

Unless of course you are throwing insults at ChemiCat, but I doubt it.

Gary got something right; I'm not referring to ChemiCat.

As for the rest, what trouble? Is Gary pestering Casey again?

Huh? I don't get it. The link sent my browser back to the start of this thread.

Well, that didn't work as planned. Try this link.

Note to self... figure out why permalinks don't work from "All" thread views.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2015,10:37   

So no apology for your slur, Gaulin. As expected.

Now answer the questions I gave you.

You do realise that "unimolecular" has a very specific meaning in chemistry, don't you. I suspect it is a word you came across accidentally and thought it would look good if you teamed it, erroneously, with "intelligence"

Once you have finished with that one, perhaps you can explain "bimolecular" and "termolecular" in the same context.

You don't get to redefine specific scientific terms without supplying the reason and evidence for so doing. It makes you look as though you don't have a clue about science.

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2015,10:44   

He's tried the same redefinition game with Cognitive Science, especially the word 'learn'.

He also has consistently demonstrated the total lack of integrity required of one who demands approval but does nothing but lie and cast aspersions on others.
He's never substantiated any of the lies he's been called on, even though it should be trivial to do so if he were not being dishonest.
I don't believe I've ever seen him apologize for any of his egregious foul behavior.  There's been a lot of it over the last 6+ years.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2015,11:27   

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Now answer the questions I gave you.

lol noob

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2015,19:44   

Quote (ChemiCat @ Feb. 06 2015,10:37)
So no apology for your slur, Gaulin. As expected.

Now answer the questions I gave you.

You do realise that "unimolecular" has a very specific meaning in chemistry, don't you. I suspect it is a word you came across accidentally and thought it would look good if you teamed it, erroneously, with "intelligence"

Once you have finished with that one, perhaps you can explain "bimolecular" and "termolecular" in the same context.

You don't get to redefine specific scientific terms without supplying the reason and evidence for so doing. It makes you look as though you don't have a clue about science.

From http://www.merriam-webster.com/diction....lecular
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Definition of UNIMOLECULAR
:  relating to or involving a single molecule or single molecular species :  monomolecular <unimolecular reactions>


From theory:
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Since these are single macromolecules that can self-learn they are more precisely examples of “Unimolecular Intelligence”...


No apology from me is necessary.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2015,21:29   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 06 2015,19:44)
Quote (ChemiCat @ Feb. 06 2015,10:37)
So no apology for your slur, Gaulin. As expected.

Now answer the questions I gave you.

You do realise that "unimolecular" has a very specific meaning in chemistry, don't you. I suspect it is a word you came across accidentally and thought it would look good if you teamed it, erroneously, with "intelligence"

Once you have finished with that one, perhaps you can explain "bimolecular" and "termolecular" in the same context.

You don't get to redefine specific scientific terms without supplying the reason and evidence for so doing. It makes you look as though you don't have a clue about science.

From http://www.merriam-webster.com/diction....lecular
 
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Definition of UNIMOLECULAR
:  relating to or involving a single molecule or single molecular species :  monomolecular <unimolecular reactions>


From theory:
 
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Since these are single macromolecules that can self-learn they are more precisely examples of “Unimolecular Intelligence”...


No apology from me is necessary.

Psst...Gary.  Did you notice a qualifying prepositional phrase in ChemiCat's sentence?  You might want to read it again before you embarrass yourself further, Mr. Scientist.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2015,02:46   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 05 2015,23:35)
As for the rest, what trouble? Is Gary pestering Casey again?

Since you MUST know what I last pestered Casey with I checked my GarySGaulin Google email messages and found this that I doubt he will mind my showing you:

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Gary Gaulin
9/18/14

to Casey

Casey, someone at Sandwalk gave me interesting advice concerning the computer model I have at Planet Source Code and classroom type book/booklet that's at least good enough to go for computer programmers and others who need to know about David Heiserman's model and such. I mentioned that I would link you to the discussion:

http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2014.......7954488

Gary


Ironically, I just had a 12 hour marathon rebuilding the Hamada RS34LSII satellite color head after a part went that had it down for a day and needed roller work real bad. The main parent unit for 1 color jobs runs real nice now. But the second color head was on the to-do list for too long (to keep up with rush work that has been keeping it too busy to have it down for a rebuild) and it ran out of time yesterday for a rush two color job with enough solid that the job would have to dry overnight to run through again. Either way it would have have taken two days to get to the paper cutter and look better once through while the color head keeps perfect register with the other.

If tomorrow the roller grinding and all else works and the press soon gets caught up with workload then I will finally be all set to easily run the color work required for a sample run of the pdf file that I link to for the theory (a.k.a. "classroom type book/booklet"). I did not plan on having to take over running the machine but at least I had plenty of practice and had time to get it back to easily printing quality work without all recent pressmen swearing at it all day, in an effort to achieve what the office expects as well. It's in a way the typical busy pressman's dilemma. Not something unique to my situation. In my case the press and I are still winning that rat-race. After having had to remove and repair the Crestline roller system I finally also got to what needed immediate attention, around a month ago. The good news is that it's not something that has the press down for a week waiting for parts the shop can't afford right now. Just some minor roller grinding made the roller system like when new. How well it works is still unknown. But I'll find out tomorrow.

So there you have it Wesley, detail about what now goes on in a typical day of my life as a ID activist printer. The email contains not much more than you already knew by my also mentioning for you here in your forum. You already know what what I have been "pestering" Casey with, or at least you should have by now.

Science has to be there for anyone, regardless of their religion or opinions. Even you. To achieve that I had to let Casey (on down) know that I have no plans to leave them out either. In regards to UD my demanding testable experiments and such were maybe annoyingly bit redundant to Barry and others. It's like for UD to become the BioLogos of ID theory (where it's OK to 24/7 talk religion) I have at some point be happy for how well it went better explaining what's in the theory then leave the religion part up to them. As with BioLogos, I would rather be here pestering you instead. That's simply what you get for making it known that this is where ID advocates are supposed to report with such arguments, to as you say "Bring Them On".

I'm now more valuable to the ID movement by finishing what I started, in the email to Casey. And UD only had to endure my being that demanding about the science part for this long, to in return being able to freely talk religion all they want without conflict with science. They know I'm with them in that regard by helping make that happen from here, where you are. So I can honestly say that my UD experience was fun and I wish Barry and all there the best. Even the fine tuning that at least some in ID looking for anomalies that relate to intelligence, instead of not. The theory I develop cannot include current arguments for it but cannot rule it out. I can do the same. I can then just thank all UD for what I think turned out rather well, as I now get back to work on. If all goes well then this time I'll have no problem with paper that has been on the shelves for over a decade that may be unusual to see a book made out of, but it's at least a good way for the shop for press work that for months was not in the budget either. That in turn made it a great idea to give you what you asked for in regards to where Casey and I left off, go from there. So Wesley your timing was perfect too!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2015,02:54   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 06 2015,21:29)
Psst...Gary.  Did you notice a qualifying prepositional phrase in ChemiCat's sentence?  You might want to read it again before you embarrass yourself further, Mr. Scientist.

If you have a constructive suggestion for a grammar change to the theory then you'll have to show me a before and after, or else I will not know what you are trying to say.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2015,03:49   

Ah, I see now. The famous chemistry text book... the Merriam-Webster dictionary! Silly me and after I had to buy all those expensive text books when I only needed to buy this one!

Now try this SCIENTIFIC definition.

Wikipedia

That still doesn't explain how you have the gall to smuggle "intelligence" into your "theory" of "unimolecular intelligence".

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2015,07:09   

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Ironically, I just had a 12 hour marathon rebuilding the Hamada RS34LSII satellite color head after a part went that had it down for a day and needed roller work real bad. The main parent unit for 1 color jobs runs real nice now. But the second color head was on the to-do list for too long (to keep up with rush work that has been keeping it too busy to have it down for a rebuild) and it ran out of time yesterday for a rush two color job with enough solid that the job would have to dry overnight to run through again. Either way it would have have taken two days to get to the paper cutter and look better once through while the color head keeps perfect register with the other.


This is as incomprehensible as the extract from your "theory" you put in your answer to me earlier.

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2015,07:17   

Worse, it is entirely irrelevant to his "theory" and even his risible software.

I'm sure you've noticed a few of the more striking insanities in his "theory" regarding 'molecular intelligence'.
Molecules learn, don't you know.
Molecules have sensory and muscle systems, or analogs that can be considered to be sensory systems that read and write from memory stores.  Molecules can make guesses, and can execute them by use of their muscle control systems.
Guesses can fail, or be judged inadequate and that is stored in a confidence evaluator and associated memory system.
Who knew there was all this stuff going on in molecules.
Just one small part of the tragically stupid that Gary emits is that he is blind to the question of whether this applies across the board to any and all molecules, or only to molecules of a certain degree of complexity.
Maybe all that mystic nonsense about water and homeopathy is correct after all -- only Gary is brilliant enough to see it and reduce it into the form of a 'real-science' "theory".  But probably not.

An aside to Gary -- have I understood your "theory" correctly with regard to 'molecular intelligence'?  If not, here's your chance to set the record straight and point out where the material in your "theory" ought to lead one to different conclusions than presented above.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2015,08:50   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 07 2015,02:54)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 06 2015,21:29)
Psst...Gary.  Did you notice a qualifying prepositional phrase in ChemiCat's sentence?  You might want to read it again before you embarrass yourself further, Mr. Scientist.

If you have a constructive suggestion for a grammar change to the theory then you'll have to show me a before and after, or else I will not know what you are trying to say.

Oh, Gary, your reading comprehension is getting as bad as your writing. Let me try again:

Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 06 2015,21:29)
Psst...Gary.  Did you notice a qualifying prepositional phrase in ChemiCat's sentence?  You might want to read it again before you embarrass yourself further, Mr. Scientist.


See my little prepositional phrase there in bold?  See how it doesn't point to your "theory"?  Now, try looking for a similar phrase in ChemiCat's comment about your use of unimolecular.  If you need help, feel free to use google to look up what a prepositional phrase is.

ID hoped you could learn on your own, but I see that may be hopeless.  Do you need me to spell it out for you?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2015,09:01   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 07 2015,03:46)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 05 2015,23:35)
As for the rest, what trouble? Is Gary pestering Casey again?

Since you MUST know what I last pestered Casey with I checked my GarySGaulin Google email messages and found this that I doubt he will mind my showing you:

 
Quote

Gary Gaulin
9/18/14

to Casey

Casey, someone at Sandwalk gave me interesting advice concerning the computer model I have at Planet Source Code and classroom type book/booklet that's at least good enough to go for computer programmers and others who need to know about David Heiserman's model and such. I mentioned that I would link you to the discussion:

http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2014.......7954488

Gary


Ironically, I just had a 12 hour marathon rebuilding the Hamada RS34LSII satellite color head after a part went that had it down for a day and needed roller work real bad. The main parent unit for 1 color jobs runs real nice now. But the second color head was on the to-do list for too long (to keep up with rush work that has been keeping it too busy to have it down for a rebuild) and it ran out of time yesterday for a rush two color job with enough solid that the job would have to dry overnight to run through again. Either way it would have have taken two days to get to the paper cutter and look better once through while the color head keeps perfect register with the other.

If tomorrow the roller grinding and all else works and the press soon gets caught up with workload then I will finally be all set to easily run the color work required for a sample run of the pdf file that I link to for the theory (a.k.a. "classroom type book/booklet"). I did not plan on having to take over running the machine but at least I had plenty of practice and had time to get it back to easily printing quality work without all recent pressmen swearing at it all day, in an effort to achieve what the office expects as well. It's in a way the typical busy pressman's dilemma. Not something unique to my situation. In my case the press and I are still winning that rat-race. After having had to remove and repair the Crestline roller system I finally also got to what needed immediate attention, around a month ago. The good news is that it's not something that has the press down for a week waiting for parts the shop can't afford right now. Just some minor roller grinding made the roller system like when new. How well it works is still unknown. But I'll find out tomorrow.

So there you have it Wesley, detail about what now goes on in a typical day of my life as a ID activist printer. The email contains not much more than you already knew by my also mentioning for you here in your forum. You already know what what I have been "pestering" Casey with, or at least you should have by now.

Science has to be there for anyone, regardless of their religion or opinions. Even you. To achieve that I had to let Casey (on down) know that I have no plans to leave them out either. In regards to UD my demanding testable experiments and such were maybe annoyingly bit redundant to Barry and others. It's like for UD to become the BioLogos of ID theory (where it's OK to 24/7 talk religion) I have at some point be happy for how well it went better explaining what's in the theory then leave the religion part up to them. As with BioLogos, I would rather be here pestering you instead. That's simply what you get for making it known that this is where ID advocates are supposed to report with such arguments, to as you say "Bring Them On".

I'm now more valuable to the ID movement by finishing what I started, in the email to Casey. And UD only had to endure my being that demanding about the science part for this long, to in return being able to freely talk religion all they want without conflict with science. They know I'm with them in that regard by helping make that happen from here, where you are. So I can honestly say that my UD experience was fun and I wish Barry and all there the best. Even the fine tuning that at least some in ID looking for anomalies that relate to intelligence, instead of not. The theory I develop cannot include current arguments for it but cannot rule it out. I can do the same. I can then just thank all UD for what I think turned out rather well, as I now get back to work on. If all goes well then this time I'll have no problem with paper that has been on the shelves for over a decade that may be unusual to see a book made out of, but it's at least a good way for the shop for press work that for months was not in the budget either. That in turn made it a great idea to give you what you asked for in regards to where Casey and I left off, go from there. So Wesley your timing was perfect too!

Delusions of adequacy at all scales.

Gary, you've never 'explained' anything remotely related to a scientific topic.
You've never participated in science as either a student or a practitioner of the method.  The closest you come is as a parasite attached to it by the glues of madness.  You digest various tidbits you stumble across and excrete nonsense, with all the vacuous pride we accept in 2 year olds when they present their latest emission into a toilet.  It is unseemly, to put it mildly, to see the same behavior from a purported adult.

The most glaring of all the facts you persist in overlooking is the simple truth that you have never convinced a single person anywhere on the web of the truth, coherence, and/or adequacy of your "theory".
Not. One. Single. Convert.
In close to 7 years, or is it more by now?

You have no explanation.  Your "theory" has no explanatory power, not least because it relies on falsehoods as part of its basic structure and basic notions.
Stop pretending to be significant.  Stop pretending to be a contributor to anything other than the population mass of the Earth.
Stop lying about others and about your "theory".

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2015,09:06   

NoName,

Yes I have noticed but I was waiting for Gaulin to answer my questions.

I was going to query his bald assertion that RNA is "unimolecular" when it is a polymeric molecule. (Also referred to as a macromolecule).

I have read the extract he gave and the number of errors and unsupported assertions in it makes me wonder if he reads and/or understands the random jumble (or should that be jungle?) of words he types.

It would take a longer time than I am prepared to commit to his "theory" to explain how wrong he is.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2015,09:36   

Quote (ChemiCat @ Feb. 07 2015,10:06)
NoName,

Yes I have noticed but I was waiting for Gaulin to answer my questions.

I was going to query his bald assertion that RNA is "unimolecular" when it is a polymeric molecule. (Also referred to as a macromolecule).

I have read the extract he gave and the number of errors and unsupported assertions in it makes me wonder if he reads and/or understands the random jumble (or should that be jungle?) of words he types.

It would take a longer time than I am prepared to commit to his "theory" to explain how wrong he is.

Gary doesn't do answers.  They're not part of his schtick.
Questions are for the little people, answers betray a degree of inadequacy in that which is questioned.  Since, according to a majority of the voices in his head, Gary's work has no inadequacies, there's simply no need to answer.  Any question is an assault on the integrity of his  idee fixe.  The implicit notion that his work might have inadequacies threatens his delusions of adequacy and so questions are treated as attacks, not good-faith efforts to understand what he's going on about.  That they could be such undermines much of the foundation of his world-view and self-perception.
The furthest he has ever been willing to go in terms of interaction with his interlocutors is the ceaseless polishing of that turd of a first paragraph of his 'magnum feculum'.

Gary does not understand molecules in anything other than the simplest of ball-and-stick models form.  He doesn't understand polymerization at all, doesn't understand the difference between ionic and covalent bonding, the difference between weak and strong acids, the nature of protein folding and its effect on protein "behavior", the meaning and implications of activation energy, the existence and function of enzymes,  etc.
The list of things Gary doesn't understand about chemistry amounts to a synoptic overview of the entire field.
Sadly, the same can be said about his understanding of physics, of thermodynamics, and of biology.

Gary is one of those rare persons whose eventual demise will raise both the average IQ of the planet's population and the aggregate IQ of the planet's population.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2015,10:26   

Quote (ChemiCat @ Feb. 07 2015,09:06)
NoName,

Yes I have noticed but I was waiting for Gaulin to answer my questions.

I was going to query his bald assertion that RNA is "unimolecular" when it is a polymeric molecule. (Also referred to as a macromolecule).

I have read the extract he gave and the number of errors and unsupported assertions in it makes me wonder if he reads and/or understands the random jumble (or should that be jungle?) of words he types.

It would take a longer time than I am prepared to commit to his "theory" to explain how wrong he is.

Hi, ChemiCat.

My take on him is that, as you noted, Gary basically writes word salad, which he seasons with words that sound science-y to him, and which he thinks ought to fit with the way he thinks things ought to be.  Actual technical meanings and operational definitions are irrelevant.  This is how he comes to talk about "intelligence", "learning", "self-similarity", "emergence", "unimolecular", and so on and so forth.   His gut instincts on these things are so bad that he'd be better off assuming that whenever something sounds good to him that's strong evidence that it is going to be wrong.

{Edited} It is clear that his thoughts are jumbled, and he doesn't unpack them and arrange them neatly for other people (the bit about his troubles with his second-hand printing press being a prime example).  He doesn't think about how his words will appear to others, nor about what his audience will need to hear in order to become convinced of his conclusions: whatever is in his mind is so blazingly obvious to him that a) it should be equally obvious to everyone else, b) supporting evidence isn't needed, and c) it is not a problem if he gets some of his facts wrong en route.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2015,16:11   

Thanks both of you. I was beginning to realise that a "scientist" who does not take criticism of his work is beyond help.

Gaulin, when a scientist submits a theory and is told what is wrong with it he goes away and investigates where he /she went wrong. Then re-submits the work with any corrections. This is how science self-corrects errors. You however do not do this therefore the only conclusion is that what you do is not science. At best it is an idea that should be discarded.

As has been pointed out at length by N. Wells and NoName you do not even begin to understand the scientific terms you abuse. Worse, when asked to define them, you cannot do so. Until you include definitions and testable experimental results in your "theory" you have nothing but indecipherable word salad.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2015,16:49   

Quote (ChemiCat @ Feb. 07 2015,16:11)
Thanks both of you. I was beginning to realise that a "scientist" who does not take criticism of his work is beyond help.

If you find a more logical naming convention that works with the (assumed unintelligent) behavior of matter, molecular systems, "cell intelligence" as per Guenter Albrecht-Buehler and multicellular type systems like your brain then let me know what you propose that's better than this labeling for each of the levels the model can be used for. The only thing I can think of is putting the word "level" in each for like "Molecular Level Intelligence" but maybe other than that this is still holding as the most logical and consistent naming convention possible. It's easy to remember too:



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2015,17:07   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 07 2015,17:49)
 
Quote (ChemiCat @ Feb. 07 2015,16:11)
Thanks both of you. I was beginning to realise that a "scientist" who does not take criticism of his work is beyond help.

If you find a more logical naming convention that works with the (assumed unintelligent) behavior of matter, molecular systems, "cell intelligence" as per Guenter Albrecht-Buehler and multicellular type systems like your brain then let me know what you propose that's better than this labeling for each of the levels the model can be used for. The only thing I can think of is putting the word "level" in each for like "Molecular Level Intelligence" but maybe other than that this is still holding as the most logical and consistent naming convention possible. It's easy to remember too:


Oh, poor Gary.  The problem isn't the names you've chosen, although they're symptomatic.  The problem is that the levels you think you've "discovered" or "identified" are strictly and totally a delusion.
All intelligence is molecular, at least insofar as all intelligence is 'embodied', arises out of systems of molecules.  That is true, but utterly banal and almost entirely uninteresting.
The rest of your work is even more useless, as we can see from your appallingly trivial and banal and utterly useless, to say nothing of uncontroversial,  "premise" that there exist features of the universe that are best explained by intelligent agency. Amusingly enough, it's only the useless and discarded views of such thinkers as B.F. Skinner that ever took this self-refuting position.  And that's exactly who you emulate with your "emergent" "levels" that ultimately reduce, nay collapse, all intelligence into the raw simplistics of physics and chemistry.
You are beneath pathetic.  And an utter and complete failure.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2015,17:08   

BTW, weren't you leaving?  You can't even get something that simple right.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2015,18:08   

If you find a more logical naming convention that works with the (assumed unintelligent) behavior of matter, molecular systems, "cell intelligence" as per Guenter Albrecht-Buehler and multicellular type systems like your brain then let me know what you propose that's better than this labeling for each of the levels the model can be used for.

I don't have a translator for whatever language this is supposed to be.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2015,18:16   

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See my little prepositional phrase there in bold?  See how it doesn't point to your "theory"?

Yes, not pointing to the theory that is supposed to be under discussion made it too low a priority for me to rush to answer. But the press rebuild I was focused on worked!

I have to use sentences that might be a more complicated than all are used to for them to scientifically withstand all the nonscience you throw at them. I am though keeping up with what genuinely needs updating. A couple of days ago I changed all the "good guess" phrases to "best guess" to be consistent with what the Google search likes when unsure of what video you're searching for. The theory mentioned that "best guess" can be interchangeably used, but now "good guess" is mentioned where that phrase is used in ID Lab illustrations but it's no longer the default phrase. In this case there was a good reason to finally settle on one of the other options that would suit you and others in this forum better than what Richard Feynman called it, a "good guess".

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2015,18:27   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 07 2015,16:49)
   
Quote (ChemiCat @ Feb. 07 2015,16:11)
Thanks both of you. I was beginning to realise that a "scientist" who does not take criticism of his work is beyond help.

If you find a more logical naming convention that works with the (assumed unintelligent) behavior of matter, molecular systems, "cell intelligence" as per Guenter Albrecht-Buehler and multicellular type systems like your brain then let me know what you propose that's better than this labeling for each of the levels the model can be used for. The only thing I can think of is putting the word "level" in each for like "Molecular Level Intelligence" but maybe other than that this is still holding as the most logical and consistent naming convention possible. It's easy to remember too:


Oh goody, the still-illiterate diagram is back.  See everyone's many earlier criticisms on this thread.

You've mentioned Guenter Albrecht-Buehler before, and while he is light-years ahead of you in terms of supporting his ideas by actual and relevant experiments, you'll note that he's not convincing many people.

Yes, cells can sense their environment and respond to stimuli. Everybody accepts that. However, it is unclear that any of their response is considered choice as opposed to hard-wired algorithm or even merely evolutionarily co-opted chemical reactions.  Simple algorithmic rules can generate very complex "behavior", and humans are notoriously over-insistent on seeing patterns, inferring cause and effect, inferring intent (how else did we create gods out of storms and volcanoes?), and overextending analogies and metaphors.  Go to http://vassarstats.net/wolfgan....ng.html and ask yourself, if you were to see the randomly-generated patterns framed as art on the wall of a modern art museum, how many of them would strike you as intentional and clever use of color and space?  
Go to http://www.philosophical-investigations.org/Front_P....ing.gif and look at the walking figure.  Ask yourself if it looks male or female, and if it seems to be walking with intent, or just ambling along.  Then try and figure out why and how you developed that opinion, based on a mere assemblage of everchanging typescript.

It is not irrational to consider whether cells could be called intelligent: intelligence has to start somewhere, and we expect a gradation from non-intelligence to intelligence.  However, the answer to that sort of question is going to depend a lot on your definitions and will need a lot of supporting evidence.  So far, you don't have adequate definitions and operational definitions, let alone have you considered how to disentangle your conclusions from your starting assumptions and definitions, and you are basically begging your conclusions.  You are just making hollow assertions and meaningless associations that you are not backing up in the slightest.

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I have to use sentences that might be a more complicated than all are used to for them to scientifically withstand all the nonscience you throw at them.
 Thanks once more for the giggles.  Complexity (especially the way you do it) is not the way to make sentences resistant to criticism.  Making them not need criticism in the first place is a much better strategy.  Also, your critics are not outside science here - you are.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2015,19:03   

I don't have do what Guenter does to have a computer model that needs a Theory Of Operation for, therefore all are immediately overruled by standard science and engineering procedures for models of systems such as demonstrated in the ID Labs.

And I don't need an OK from this forum for me to write theory explaining how a computer modeled system works. Suggesting I need permission or acceptance from some authority is just another way for someone who sees themselves as that "some authority" to mislead themselves and others into believing that I must, when I don't.

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