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stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 04 2019,17:44    you guys might think that Kairosfocus is being absurd and histrionic when he complains that atheists have destroyed civilization. What fools you are! Edited by stevestory on Oct. 04 2019,18:44

Lethean Posts: 292 Joined: Jan. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 04 2019,21:26    Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 04 2019,17:44) you guys might think that Kairosfocus is being absurd and histrionic when he complains that atheists have destroyed civilization. What fools you are! Sounds a wee bit hypocritical to me. But what do I know, what with a pocket full of palpitatos and all. -------------- "So I'm a pretty unusual guy and it's not stupidity that has gotten me where I am. It's brilliance." "My brain is one of the very few independent thinking brains that you've ever met. And that's a thing of wonder to you and since you don't understand it you criticize it." ~Dave Hawkins~

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2019,20:38    You know how basically every blog now has a comment section where you can upvote and downvote? Uncommonly Dense will never implement that. They know every BS77 post would get a dozen downvotes and BatShit would freak out.

Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2019,20:53    They'd just ban anyone who downvoted. That would take care of that problem!

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2019,20:59    We joke, but...they would actually consider that. I think they'd have a problem though because they would realize that they'd have to ban a lot of their traffic.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2019,22:21    Quote Ed George October 5, 2019 at 9:16 pm Sev@10, I have always been deeply disturbed by the use of the term “chosen people” in the bible when referring to the Jewish people. Especially since this was referring to their ancestry, not their religious beliefs. As such, I have always had a difficult time arguing that this is not fundamentally racist in nature. On one of the many Darwin caused racism threads.

Lethean Posts: 292 Joined: Jan. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2019,10:22    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 05 2019,22:21)               Quote Ed George October 5, 2019 at 9:16 pm Sev@10, I have always been deeply disturbed by the use of the term “chosen people” in the bible when referring to the Jewish people. Especially since this was referring to their ancestry, not their religious beliefs. As such, I have always had a difficult time arguing that this is not fundamentally racist in nature. On one of the many Darwin caused racism threads. I won't claim to be any sort of religious scholar but, uhhh. It's the Jewish scriptures, that the bible descends from, that were written by Jews, that claims that they are both the "chosen people" and have the "right religious beliefs" handed to them directly by Yaweh. And that wasn't until after the warrior class took over control of Judea and got rid of the previous pantheon that Yaweh was a part of and made it monotheistic. I guess that makes this particular case no less race-centric but that's what humans have done tribalistically since forever. This tendency to ignore previous and obviously related religious invention, like Atram-Hasis thru Gilgamesh to mention some low hanging fruit, and obtusely argue as though "the bible" or any other scripture or belief has no inconvenient ancestry is par for the course. Much like their view on life, having poofed completely whole with fins and wings intact, so too goes their "deeply held beliefs." This did make me chuckle though as it reminded me of that artwork that was created for Ham's (Aussie idiot) museum of bullshit that showed the descendants of Ham (biblical brat character) emigrating to Africa. Ham (Aussie idiot) got the big-time vapors when people pointed out this ahistorical bullshit played into the centuries old beliefs (read:justification) that black folk were cursed by god, less than human, totes slave material, etc. etc. -------------- "So I'm a pretty unusual guy and it's not stupidity that has gotten me where I am. It's brilliance." "My brain is one of the very few independent thinking brains that you've ever met. And that's a thing of wonder to you and since you don't understand it you criticize it." ~Dave Hawkins~

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2019,10:51    Quote 12 SeverskyOctober 5, 2019 at 9:19 pm Bornagain77@ 5   Quote     And Darwin’s theory indeed provided a supposed ‘scientific’ basis for much of the unmitigated horror that was visited upon mankind in the 20th century,         Argumentum ad consequentiam again. At no point did Darwin advocate the sort of horrors perpetrated by the twentieth-century dictatorships. Besides, Christianity has its fair share of atrocities to account for, such as the Massacre at Ayyadieh during the Third Crusade     Quote   On the 16th of August Richard [I of England] ordered that all the prisoners from Acre should be taken to a small hill called Ayyadieh. There in full view of the Muslim army and Saladin’s own field headquarters, around 3000 soldiers, men, women, and children from the city (according to Muslim sources) were put to the sword [2]. And let’s not forget the Great Flood in which God slaughtered almost all human life on Earth (along with countless other animals). He seemed to have no moral qualms about killing on that scale. I wonder how many infants, babies and unborn in the womb were among the dead? linky

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2019,10:53    I expect BS77 will issue a succinct and cogent response. Either that, or 28,000 words of cut and paste gibberish that no one will read. One of the two. Edited by stevestory on Oct. 06 2019,11:53

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2019,11:50    Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 06 2019,08:53) I expect BS77 will issue a succinct and cogent response. Either that, or 28,000 words of cut and paste gibberish that no one will read. One of the two. Cue "God's Absolute Moral Authority" screed  in 3, 2... -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2019,12:06    Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 06 2019,10:53) I expect BS77 will issue a succinct and cogent response. Either that, or 28,000 words of cut and paste gibberish that no one will read. One of the two. Or a couple abusive comments from Joke. Quote ET October 6, 2019 at 8:42 am Quote Ed George: I have always been deeply disturbed by the use of the term “chosen people” in the bible when referring to the Jewish people. So what? You are a deeply disturbed person. Quote As such, I have always had a difficult time arguing that this is not fundamentally racist in nature. You are not smart enough to make that case. 😛

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2019,12:13    Joke's the other reason I want them to do an upvote downvote system over there. Batshit would get mostly downvotes, ET would only get downvotes. except for the one upvote he would give himself, because he's the kind of person who would do that.   Edited by stevestory on Oct. 06 2019,13:14

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2019,12:30    Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 06 2019,12:13) Joke's the other reason I want them to do an upvote downvote system over there. Batshit would get mostly downvotes, ET would only get downvotes. except for the one upvote he would give himself, because he's the kind of person who would do that.  :p My theory is that Joke is actually an evolutionist who posts this nonsense to demonstrate the insanity of ID.

Lethean Posts: 292 Joined: Jan. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2019,13:11    Quote (fnxtr @ Oct. 06 2019,11:50)               Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 06 2019,08:53) I expect BS77 will issue a succinct and cogent response. Either that, or 28,000 words of cut and paste gibberish that no one will read. One of the two. Cue "God's Absolute Moral Authority" screed  in 3, 2... Exactly, it will be somewhere between 400 and 1600 words that can be boiled down to the Nixon Apologetic ...       Quote When The President Diety Does It, That Means That It Is Not Illegal Immoral. TBH though, rather than ye olde flood and other whatnots, my favorites are when humans act on the deity's behalf (when isn't that the case, really) and commit the slaughter themselves. And when that's over you get the shrug and retroactive Nuremburg defense of "just following orders" and told take it up with said deity. My favorite of these is William Craig's ...       Quote What really bothers me is imagining the trauma those Jewish warriors must have suffered when they slaughtered all those evil Canaanite men, women, children, goats, chickens, etc. as god totes commanded. Paraphrasing here, of course. edit: did the Canaanite's even have chickens? have I gone too far? ??? -------------- "So I'm a pretty unusual guy and it's not stupidity that has gotten me where I am. It's brilliance." "My brain is one of the very few independent thinking brains that you've ever met. And that's a thing of wonder to you and since you don't understand it you criticize it." ~Dave Hawkins~

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2019,14:36    Quote (Lethean @ Oct. 06 2019,13:11) Quote (fnxtr @ Oct. 06 2019,11:50)               Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 06 2019,08:53) I expect BS77 will issue a succinct and cogent response. Either that, or 28,000 words of cut and paste gibberish that no one will read. One of the two. Cue "God's Absolute Moral Authority" screed  in 3, 2... Exactly, it will be somewhere between 400 and 1600 words that can be boiled down to the Nixon Apologetic ...       Quote When The President Diety Does It, That Means That It Is Not Illegal Immoral. TBH though, rather than ye olde flood and other whatnots, my favorites are when humans act on the deity's behalf (when isn't that the case, really) and commit the slaughter themselves. And when that's over you get the shrug and retroactive Nuremburg defense of "just following orders" and told take it up with said deity. My favorite of these is William Craig's ...       Quote What really bothers me is imagining the trauma those Jewish warriors must have suffered when they slaughtered all those evil Canaanite men, women, children, goats, chickens, etc. as god totes commanded. Paraphrasing here, of course. edit: did the Canaanite's even have chickens? have I gone too far? ??? Probably, yes. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

Lethean Posts: 292 Joined: Jan. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2019,19:58    Quote (Texas Teach @ Oct. 06 2019,14:36)     Quote (Lethean @ Oct. 06 2019,13:11)   edit: did the Canaanite's even have chickens? have I gone too far? ??? Probably, yes. Excellent, thank you. I was sciencing so hard I nearly bared false witness. *whew* -------------- "So I'm a pretty unusual guy and it's not stupidity that has gotten me where I am. It's brilliance." "My brain is one of the very few independent thinking brains that you've ever met. And that's a thing of wonder to you and since you don't understand it you criticize it." ~Dave Hawkins~

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2019,03:54    Quote (fnxtr @ Oct. 04 2019,15:46) Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Oct. 04 2019,13:37) Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 04 2019,12:48)     Quote 4 AxelOctober 4, 2019 at 10:23 am I find it absolutely incredible – and I mean, ‘literally’ incredible – that there has been all this hoo-haa about dating the Shroud of Turin, when the image on it is a photogrpahic negative ! I mean who would have thought in the days before photography of even TRYING to imagine what a photographic negative, i.e. reversing light and shade on ANY IMAGE, never mind a shroud, would look like?! In a month of Sundays. The way negatives look now, as well as that on the Shroud, surprise me no end. A fault of my imagination, I know, but still and all…. Yet the highest levels of education are evidently no proof against such common, everyday madness. The banality of idiocy makes a nice bookend with the banality of evil, doesn’t it ? derp Game. Set. Match. Give him a hand -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2019,09:08    Quote (Bob O'H @ Oct. 07 2019,11:54) Quote (fnxtr @ Oct. 04 2019,15:46) Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Oct. 04 2019,13:37)   Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 04 2019,12:48)     Quote 4 AxelOctober 4, 2019 at 10:23 am I find it absolutely incredible – and I mean, ‘literally’ incredible – that there has been all this hoo-haa about dating the Shroud of Turin, when the image on it is a photogrpahic negative ! I mean who would have thought in the days before photography of even TRYING to imagine what a photographic negative, i.e. reversing light and shade on ANY IMAGE, never mind a shroud, would look like?! In a month of Sundays. The way negatives look now, as well as that on the Shroud, surprise me no end. A fault of my imagination, I know, but still and all…. Yet the highest levels of education are evidently no proof against such common, everyday madness. The banality of idiocy makes a nice bookend with the banality of evil, doesn’t it ? derp Game. Set. Match. Give him a hand Is that a one handed Golf clap? -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2019,10:16    Or a high five.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2019,11:02    If it was a card game it would be ochre poker .... every hand's a winner. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2019,16:32    Quote (k.e.. @ Oct. 08 2019,09:08) Quote (Bob O'H @ Oct. 07 2019,11:54) Quote (fnxtr @ Oct. 04 2019,15:46)   Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Oct. 04 2019,13:37)   Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 04 2019,12:48)       Quote 4 AxelOctober 4, 2019 at 10:23 am I find it absolutely incredible – and I mean, ‘literally’ incredible – that there has been all this hoo-haa about dating the Shroud of Turin, when the image on it is a photogrpahic negative ! I mean who would have thought in the days before photography of even TRYING to imagine what a photographic negative, i.e. reversing light and shade on ANY IMAGE, never mind a shroud, would look like?! In a month of Sundays. The way negatives look now, as well as that on the Shroud, surprise me no end. A fault of my imagination, I know, but still and all…. Yet the highest levels of education are evidently no proof against such common, everyday madness. The banality of idiocy makes a nice bookend with the banality of evil, doesn’t it ? derp Game. Set. Match. Give him a hand Is that a one handed Golf clap? It’s a wall full of the Devil’s playthings. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2019,16:39    idol hands?

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2019,19:02    Quote Stick insects’ “remarkable camouflage” postdates mammals and birds Of course, they don’t come right out and say this but if the stick insects’ amazing camouflages developed after they started to be eaten by predatory mammals and birds, there was not as much time as was thought for the Darwinian claims. Posted on October 8, 2019 AuthorNews Comment(0) Let me get this straight. Stick insects developed camouflage from birds after birds developed? Yeah clearly evolution could never explain that conundrum.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2019,21:56    Ed George (to ba77, of course):   Quote If you can provide an example of something that is objectively beautiful, in fewer than 10,000 words, I would love to discuss it. Link

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2019,09:51    Can someone get ba77 a sense of humour please. I'm having far too much fun making silly comments and watching his po-faced responses. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2019,18:37    Quote 12 Ed GeorgeOctober 9, 2019 at 3:45 pm ET     Quote     Darwin required that the variation be that of chance. That is a happenstance occurrence due to some accident, error or mistake.         Do you have a reference for this? Since did not know about DNA and mutations, and since he did not rule out Lamarckian processes, which are decidedly not chance or happenstance, I suspect he never said what you claim he did. Quote 13 Ed GeorgeOctober 9, 2019 at 3:48 pm News       Quote     Darwinism is natural selection acting on random mutation. Where in Origin of Species did Darwin say this? linky

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2019,22:36    I stopped reading right here: Quote On this episode of ID the Future, Casey Luskin sits down with CSC Fellow Dr. Cornelius Hunter ...

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2019,22:46    Quote Ed George October 9, 2019 at 9:33 pm ET Quote Read the book, Ed. Count how many times the word “chance” appears in “On the Origins of Species…”, and note the context. The word “chance” appears 61 times, none of them suggesting that the variation that selection acts on is the result of chance or happenstance. “Happenstance” is not mentioned once. You obviously do not have a reference where Darwin says that the variation that selection acts on is the result of chance or happenstance. Quote In “What Evolution Is”, Ernst Mayr wrote: You are quoting a book published 120 years after Darwin died, 143 after Darwin published his theory. A quote about genetic variation, a subject that Darwin knew nothing about when he proposed his theory. I don’t know if anything EG is saying is true, but this may trigger another Frequency = Wavelength style meltdown.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2019,22:48    I just opened UD and almost spit up my beer. The ad at the top of the page was about brain injuries.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2019,05:56    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 09 2019,23:48) I just opened UD and almost spit up my beer. The ad at the top of the page was about brain injuries. What sort of farm animal do you suppose kicked BS77 in the head, and how many times?

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