Ftk
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| Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 22 2008,20:40) | Ftk:
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How would you know Paul's a YEC by reading that particular textbook? It doesn't mention anything supporting YEC claims that I'm aware of. It's based upon ID not YEC.
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Explore Evolution is not the sole source of information about Paul Nelson. (And, of course, there's no content or approach in Explore Evolution that we didn't see in earlier forms of creationism.)
Some of us were paying attention in the 1980s when Paul Nelson was the organizing force behind Students for Origins Research, the group that eventually metamorphosed into Access Research Network. By "some of us", I'm obviously not including Ftk.
Paul is not just a YEC, he is a third generation high-profile YEC.
Golly, there seem to be unplumbed depths of ignorance just now coming to light in this thread. |
Sigh....serious disconnect here folks. I asked Wes if he had ever had a serious conversation with a creation scientist.
Of course I'm familiar with the textbook Paul's writing, but a textbook about exploring evolution from an IDist perspective does not equate him with being a "creation scientist", IMHO.
Allow me to share a few definitions with you. These, of course, are from *my* perspective. Obviously anything with the word creation or ID in it means the same thing to you folks.
1. Creation Scientist = A scientist who has actually published papers (obviously not in mainstream journals)or written books regarding the great deluge and a young earth. They would have theorized about how the flood occurred, made predictions about what we will find due to that catastrophe, and conducted field work to support their findings.
2. One who supports the YEC's stance on origins and writes books about the findings of creation scientists is not actually a creation "scientist", but rather a YEC supporter and author who is accumulating information from creationists theories that they feel are compelling.
3. ID theorist = One who has offered theories, published papers, or written books about their work in regard to ID...ie. IC, the "edge" of evolution, the design inference, the explanatory filter, etc., etc.,....no flood/no YE arguments.
4. A person who writes textbooks and/or papers that support the design inference is a supporter of ID who has accumulated and written about ID facts and findings. He is not an actually ID theorist.
Okay, which category do you believe Nelson falls under?
Louis: I'm going to continue to consider the information Tom gave me rather than start a new conversation with you at the moment.
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"Evolution is a creationism and just as illogical [as] the other pantheistic creation myths" -forastero
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