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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,17:50   

Must be a mistake!

I voted for Nixon in '72.

After being a young Nazi in the third grade I became a young Republican in high school.  

Eventually I got laid and the rest is history.

  
Nomad



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,22:07   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Mar. 26 2008,16:32)
Call me stupid but I just do not understand this fascination with Nazis.

I mean, I think I went through a Nazi phase in the third grade, but it was short lived.

So, let me get this straight.  Darwinism leads to Nazi-ism.  OK, right.  But, only in Germany in the 1930's.  Nowhere else in the world, in no other country, at no other time in the past 150 years except in Germany in the 1930's.

Therefore it would appear that Expelled was produced by third graders, or is that being unfair to third graders?

Actually no, after covering the Holocaust they tried to tap into current fundie hot button issues.  After saying that while Evolution wasn't guaranteed to cause eugenics it was a required element for it to be able to happen (ignoring that whole Spartan thing, apparently the producers didn't see 300), they went on to cover Planned Parenthood.

This shocked me.  I guess I must be out of touch, I had no idea how much animosity the fundies had for Planned Parenthood.  They showed the PP logo on screen and the audience at the Expelled screening gasped collectively.  To them Planned Parenthood was more horrifying than piles of dead bodies being shoveled into an incinerator.  Because Planned Parenthood supplies birth control to the poor the audience was told that that means they're practicing eugenics.

Not just Planned Parenthood, the filmmakers tried to tie birth control, abortion, and euthanasia into one big warning that eugenics was alive and well in America today, that "darwinism" was devaluing human life in our modern world.

In other words, the message wasn't just "it could happen here", but that it is happening now and that all those good Christians out there are obligated to fight against the theory of evolution for the good of the country.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,22:39   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 26 2008,12:37)
This is a bit like salted peanuts. I can't make just one.


This is all so excellent!

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Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,22:58   

Ben Stein  
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Darwinism does not always lead to Nazism. It is, though, a necessary albeit not sufficient component



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,23:50   



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2008,08:04   

Quote (Quidam @ Mar. 26 2008,22:58)
Ben Stein  
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Darwinism does not always lead to Nazism. It is, though, a necessary albeit not sufficient component


Very Interesting....

Thanks for the Mein Kampf re-print.  I'd forgotten what a steaming pile of tard it was.

BUT - There is a passage in your re-print that is worth pointing out that seems to be direct evidence that HITLER  WAS A YEC!!

"... and once again this planet, empty of mankind, will move through the ether as it did thousands of years ago " - (my emphasis)

WTF?  Is it time for Ben and Friends to do another expose?
This one linking the YEC's to Hitler and Nazism?

Well, that solves the problem of what to do for the sequel for their Award-Winning Docutrashery!*



*Razzie Award 2008- The Worst Story Ever Told

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2008,08:38   

Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 27 2008,08:04)

BUT - There is a passage in your re-print that is worth pointing out that seems to be direct evidence that HITLER  WAS A YEC!!

"... and once again this planet, empty of mankind, will move through the ether as it did thousands of years ago " - (my emphasis)


Skip back a dozen years... the second edition used "millions" instead, so even Hitler eventually figured out YEC-ism was not a winning rhetorical ploy.

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2008,09:12   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 27 2008,08:38)
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 27 2008,08:04)

BUT - There is a passage in your re-print that is worth pointing out that seems to be direct evidence that HITLER  WAS A YEC!!

"... and once again this planet, empty of mankind, will move through the ether as it did thousands of years ago " - (my emphasis)


Skip back a dozen years... the second edition used "millions" instead, so even Hitler eventually figured out YEC-ism was not a winning rhetorical ploy.

Damn! There goes my Nobel Prize.

Damn you Hitler!  Damn you to hell!

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2008,09:15   

Quote (Nomad @ Mar. 26 2008,21:07)
 
Quote (Doc Bill @ Mar. 26 2008,16:32)
Call me stupid but I just do not understand this fascination with Nazis.

I mean, I think I went through a Nazi phase in the third grade, but it was short lived.

So, let me get this straight. †Darwinism leads to Nazi-ism. †OK, right. †But, only in Germany in the 1930's. †Nowhere else in the world, in no other country, at no other time in the past 150 years except in Germany in the 1930's.

Therefore it would appear that Expelled was produced by third graders, or is that being unfair to third graders?

Actually no, after covering the Holocaust they tried to tap into current fundie hot button issues. †After saying that while Evolution wasn't guaranteed to cause eugenics it was a required element for it to be able to happen (ignoring that whole Spartan thing, apparently the producers didn't see 300), they went on to cover Planned Parenthood.

This shocked me. †I guess I must be out of touch, I had no idea how much animosity the fundies had for Planned Parenthood. †They showed the PP logo on screen and the audience at the Expelled screening gasped collectively. †To them Planned Parenthood was more horrifying than piles of dead bodies being shoveled into an incinerator. †Because Planned Parenthood supplies birth control to the poor the audience was told that that means they're practicing eugenics.

Not just Planned Parenthood, the filmmakers tried to tie birth control, abortion, and euthanasia into one big warning that eugenics was alive and well in America today, that "darwinism" was devaluing human life in our modern world.

In other words, the message wasn't just "it could happen here", but that it is happening now and that all those good Christians out there are obligated to fight against the theory of evolution for the good of the country.

I too watched in astonishment as the audience gasped in horror as the Planned Parenthood logo was displayed on screen. (For my part I said, ďThis is ridiculous!Ē right out loud.) I wasnít entirely surprised, given the attitudes out there, but I was surprised that Stein would go so far as to associate himself with a project that condemns birth control itself. But I guess thatís when I felt relief, ironically, at how batshit insane this film is.

You canít pull that stuff and have a mainstream blockbuster ďdocumentaryĒ and end up the ďRepublican Michael Moore.Ē You just canít.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2008,09:22   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 27 2008,08:38)
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 27 2008,08:04)

BUT - There is a passage in your re-print that is worth pointing out that seems to be direct evidence that HITLER †WAS A YEC!!

"... and once again this planet, empty of mankind, will move through the ether as it did thousands of years ago " - (my emphasis)


Skip back a dozen years... the second edition used "millions" instead, so even Hitler eventually figured out YEC-ism was not a winning rhetorical ploy.

Hitler was in fact very poorly educated and was the quintessential auto-didact. Probably one of his less illiterate cronies like Hess or Goebbels suggested that revision before the second edition of MK. (Rumor has it that in addition to typing out MK, Hess also fixed AH's bad spelling and grammar.) It's ironic to think that creationists have a level of scientific understanding equal to that held by Hitler circa 1922.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2008,13:49   

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Great idea MidWifeToad.  But do you mind if I take the blue ball and run with it a bit


Not at all. You've finished what I started. I'm not a Photoshop ace, and it would have taken me hours to get that kind of merger.

Someone needs to fire that off the Harvard.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2008,14:18   

Quote (Quidam @ Mar. 26 2008,22:58)
Ben Stein †
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Darwinism does not always lead to Nazism. It is, though, a necessary albeit not sufficient component


This is excellent. It says it all, using a primary source.

I doff my tardcap.

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2008,14:32   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 27 2008,14:18)
Quote (Quidam @ Mar. 26 2008,22:58)
Ben Stein    
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Darwinism does not always lead to Nazism. It is, though, a necessary albeit not sufficient component


This is excellent. It says it all, using a primary source.

I doff my tardcap.

Yes, Heads Up To Quidem -

So, Quidem, tease us with a little background!

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Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2008,15:38   

I think Ben Stein as a Schoolgirl Hooker was enough teasing. †:D

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2008,18:07   

Quote (Quidam @ Mar. 27 2008,15:38)
I think Ben Stein as a Schoolgirl Hooker was enough teasing. †:D

Aha a clue!  You must be from Kansas?

Tease = FTK = KS

On the other hand, artwork & comments too clever = Not From Kansas...

= Tease = FTK = KS

Help!  I'm stuck in a friggin' loop...

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Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2008,20:38   


PZ Ben

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Badidea



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2008,21:52   

I made these for a post way back when about a recent origin of life discovery.

Evolution:


Creationism:


Intelligent Design:


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Damian



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2008,02:23   

Here is my effort:



Who knew that Ben Stein thinks in Comic Sans and carries a modified bedroom unit around with him?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 29 2008,22:46   



Found the background still in a video from my archive, it's not WWII era just be clear, these people are still around somewhere.

  
Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 29 2008,23:25   



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2008,02:32   

The American Family Association's website (better known as OneNewsNow) interviews Ben Stein

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AFA: But scientists say the question of God isnít a scientific one, and that to talk about God isnít helpful.
Stein: [W]eíre just asking why a professor in a university dedicated to free thought and free inquiry can be expelled if he even suggests that there might be a God who had a hand in this. Why is it illegal to talk about God? When Darwin was writing, it was perfectly allowable to talk about God in the classroom. When Newton was doing his experiments it was perfectly Ö allowable to talk about God in the classroom. When Einstein wrote about physics, he said it was the hand of God at work. Why do we now say that all of a sudden God is not allowed to even be mentioned in the classroom in connection with a scientific theory?

AFA: But maybe those are issues that are best left to the philosophy class or the religion class.
Stein: Iím saying that maybe all these classes should not be so clearly separated from one another. Maybe all of them belong, to a certain extent, together. When Issac Newton was doing his study of the laws of physics and motion, he said he was trying to understand how God had ordered the universe and what the work of God had been. He was showing Godís handiwork. Maybe when people say they are working on intelligent design, they are just expressing Godís handiwork. Maybe when the Darwinists are explaining evolution, theyíre explaining Godís handiwork. Iím a little suspicious of putting everything into neat pigeon holes.

AFA: Is this movie suggesting that intelligent design or creationism be the only thing that is taught in schools?
Stein: Absolutely not! And not only that, weíre not by any means certain, at least Iím not, that intelligent design is the answer. Itís a subject Ė this origins of life and the development and evolution of life Ė those are such complex subjects. Ö [So] we donít think that we have all the answers. We donít think that anyone has all the answers. We just want free speech. Itís interesting in one of his famous letters, Darwin said, ďItís all so complicated, I just want to have free speech and have people able to talk about what they want to talk about.Ē

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2008,04:03   

Wow that's some mighty strong stupid. But there's more:
   
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 AFA: Despite the angry responses, what is going to keep you going on this campaign?
 Stein: I think Iím going to keep going on with this because weíre missing something extremely basic in our understanding of the world and how God created it, and Iíd like us to return to that, and I think by returning to those bigger subjects of how the world got created and what our place in the world is, we will find a new moral fence which is very much lacking

All Science So Far!

Oh the Sternberg caption is great too:
 
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[Sternberg] explains to Ben Steinhow he lost his job with the Smithsonian Institute over the issue of Intelligent design. Sternberg hand been managing editor of a scientific journal and OK'd the publication of an article supporting the theory.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2008,14:53   

Lost his job with the....

I can't ever decide whether or not these people are really for reals or not.  They have to know that this is complete bullshit: that he never had a job at the Smithsonian to lose, that he lost 0 jobs in total over this controversy, and that implying that he lost his editorship (when in fact it's exactly the other way around: his tenure was ending and THUS chose to put a creationist rant in his final issue).  

Then again, Stein declared in the Expelled 7minute trailer that the Meyer article "merely suggested that we are not lightning and mud after all" when in fact it says nothing even remotely close to that or anything about the origin of life.   So it doesn't seem like they even read the phenomenally important "research" they claim is being suppressed.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2008,18:10   

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Lost his job with the.... *snip*

Troy Britain gets at the real stories of firings.
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Nancey Murphy, a religious scholar at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif., said she faced a campaign to get her fired because she expressed the view that intelligent design was not only poor theology, but ďso stupid, I donít want to give them my time.Ē

Murphy, who believes in evolution, said she had to fight to keep her job after one of the founding members of the intelligent design movement, legal theorist Phillip Johnson, called a trustee at the seminary and tried to get her fired.

Okay, we've laughed at Ben Stein and his flapdoodle mates enough. Now it's time to really go after these frauds and expose them for who and what they are! :angry:

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2008,19:52   

Another example of an evangelical Christian expressing support for evolution and getting in some trouble for it is Dr. Richard Colling. He has for 24 years been Professor and Chair of the Biological Sciences Department at Olivet Nazarene University. He wrote the Book Random Designer and when a major financial supporter of the school objected to his pro-evolutionary stance, he was suspended from the classroom. I am not sure if there has been any resolution to this yet.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2008,03:30   

Quote (Quidam @ Mar. 26 2008,23:50)

XXXpelled?

   
Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2008,16:48   

I had to have a cold shower after shopping that one.  It was disturbing on so many levels. I can't pass a High School now without getting some very strange impulses.

I hope you appreciate the suffering I'm going through for your entertainment.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2008,18:46   

Quote (Quidam @ April 01 2008,16:48)
I had to have a cold shower after shopping that one.  It was disturbing on so many levels. I can't pass a High School now without getting some very strange impulses.

I hope you appreciate the suffering I'm going through for your entertainment.

You are truly a martyr for the cause. Thus, I bestow upon you your first HA HA THIS IS YOU.

HA HA THIS IS YOU



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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2008,19:29   

Quote (carlsonjok @ April 01 2008,18:46)
Quote (Quidam @ April 01 2008,16:48)
I had to have a cold shower after shopping that one. †It was disturbing on so many levels. I can't pass a High School now without getting some very strange impulses.

I hope you appreciate the suffering I'm going through for your entertainment.

You are truly a martyr for the cause. Thus, I bestow upon you your first HA HA THIS IS YOU.

HA HA THIS IS YOU


Quidam -That's beautiful! sniff... and you'll always remember your first time man....

we hope it was good for you too.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2008,21:06   

I like the eXXXoelled idea, time for a revision


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