deadman_932
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Joined: May 2006
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Gop--I asked this: | Quote | | Tell me what number of genetic markers you consider to be capable of determining "race" for each group you consider to be a "race." Specify each one, please. Now apply those markers to each case I cited. Fucking idiot. |
Notice that I asked you to be specific. You reply: | Quote | might I suggest comparing phylogenetic trees derived from whole mtDNA (or at least a random sample of sequences from different regions), and then compare it to trees derived from y-chromosome haplogroups. I predict that the trees will match with a high level of significance (p<.001, both for the classic and Bayesian posterior probability). What is your prediction, Nine?
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Since you asked what my prediction is, I'll tell you straightaway-- My predictions are these:
1. You're going to have to work much harder than this, GoP. I realize that you have a great deal of time on your hands and that you have a computer at your local library that you can use, but in order to do what I asked, you're going to have to be capable of a bit more than spewing out jargon like an glossolalic idiot savant.
2. I predict that if I hand **you** a vial of blood from three of the subjects I mentioned (Cossack, Pakistani, and Bahian) you will not be able to tell me anything, personally, about the "race" of the subjects in a double-blind test.
This would be for several reasons, chief among them (A)that you, personally, would be absolutely lost as to the details of extraction, amplification and comparison, etc.
(B) The groups I mentioned don't classify as easily as you blithely assume, O Google scholar. As you described above, in your google-derived delusion, you assume that you're going to be able to take the entire MtDna sequence from each sample, "construct a phylogenetic tree" from that sample..(details?) and then compare that to a database of Y-chromosome haplogroups and arrive at a match that fits to within p<.001...
What exactly will this tell me about race? It will match for continent-wide geographic origins, as Louis noted earlier. It is also in fact, a forced-fit comparison, since you are suggesting only that I look for the best match between Mt-Dna and YCh Trees (using what programs and markers? Specifics!! . Let's take the Cossack case..I will be able to tell *what* about the "race" of the individual?
Now, O Google Scholar, I want you to use the very best Mt and Y databases available and tell me...what are the probabilities that you will be wrong in your phylogenetic matches concerning the "Race" of each of the three subjects I mentioned? Be specific and cite how you are calculating these probabilities. Cite all relevant details, GoP, don't just google and give me broad generalities. I predicted you'd have to work harder than you have, GoP, and I also predict that you will fail in being specific about those three particular groups and hypothetical blind samples.
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