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Posted: Oct. 09 2008,13:19

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Don't worry, FTK is far more representative of idiots than women. People should only apologize for her if they're an idiot, too.

my sorreh =(

You're fine, we're just waiting for Arden to apologise.

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Posted: Oct. 09 2008,13:59

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I don't see this as a case of mere stupidity (lack of ability) or incompetence because some frighteningly intelligent and competent people do it. Nor is it a lack of humility, for some very humble people do it too. I think the "arguments" raised in its defence and the emotion/hysteria questioning it engenders is perhaps more telling than not.

Louis

Hang out your shingle dude... You make a whole lot of sense to me. You could be a Dr. Dr. Too... or Two?

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Posted: Oct. 09 2008,14:05

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Quote (Louis @ Oct. 09 2008,05:58)

I don't see this as a case of mere stupidity (lack of ability) or incompetence because some frighteningly intelligent and competent people do it. Nor is it a lack of humility, for some very humble people do it too. I think the "arguments" raised in its defence and the emotion/hysteria questioning it engenders is perhaps more telling than not.

Louis

Hang out your shingle dude... You make a whole lot of sense to me. �You could be a Dr. Dr. Too... or Two?

You mean get my hands dirty and actually deal with PEOPLE (as opposed to nice quiet round bottomed flasks)?

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!

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Posted: Oct. 09 2008,18:18

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No, I did answer that somewhere. I said I don't know yet if I accept common design.

The question was about common descent, not design. If you really mean common design, then I think you find wide agreement here that it is almost certainly a crock.

But assuming that is just a slip of the finger, you haven't really answered the question. Humans and other great apes could (and indeed, almost certainly do) share a common ancestor even if common descent wasn't universal.

F*ck. I meant common descent. It's difficult to keep up with responding to all you folks without making typos here and there. I wish I could have my edit button, but no doubt the moderators enjoy the fact that I can't correct my typos.

Why are you so hostile to common descent FTK? Why does it bother you so much?

Common descent explains why animal testing for drugs makes sense. Design fails on that.

Common descent explains similarities and differences between species. Common design fails on that.

Common descent explains nested hierarchies. Common design fails again.

Common descent explains why plants should provide medicinal properties for us. Guess what common design does. *HINT* it fails.

Darwinism/evolution might be wrong, damned if I know. But it is the best explanation we have ATM. Do you disagree?

As for the *Darwinist conspiracy* ideas. Do you think that is possible? If you think so then consider who are the most famous scientists in the world. How did they get to be that?

Most overturned the current scientific ideas (of their time). They where not silenced! They argued their case and provided evidence to support their claims and gained recognition from the science community. How the Hell could an organisation that does that work as a conspiracy that hides evidence?

Do you accept any science at all? Physics, Astronomy, Geology, Evolution and Cosmology all point to an Earth about >4 Billion years old. Do you think that they are all wrong?

I understand that you are religious. What I can't understand is why you think a book (the bible) is more reliable than science.

Let us assume there is God and God made the universe. What is the best way of learning about what God did? I would say studying the reality we live in. Why worship a book? Any of them (books) may be true (if there is a God). How would you judge which one (book) to pick?

Put another way. If there is a God, God made the universe. People wrote books. How should we look for God's work?

BTW. I am now agnostic. Does that bother you?

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Posted: Oct. 09 2008,18:26

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I don't see this as a case of mere stupidity (lack of ability) or incompetence because some frighteningly intelligent and competent people do it. Nor is it a lack of humility, for some very humble people do it too. I think the "arguments" raised in its defence and the emotion/hysteria questioning it engenders is perhaps more telling than not.

Louis

Hang out your shingle dude... You make a whole lot of sense to me.

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Posted: Oct. 09 2008,18:28

I had an enlightening exchange with a student today as we began to wrap up the evolution unit. He was all in all pretty confused about what we'd been learning, and told me that he didn't believe that humans were related to other animals. I explained to him that what he believes is his own business, but that he needs to understand the evidence that convinces scientists of our heritage. His reply:

"I can't understand if I don't believe."

I hope his case is not entirely typical, but the more I follow creationists like Ftk, the more I believe it's the case.

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Posted: Oct. 09 2008,18:44

Quote (argystokes @ Oct. 09 2008,18:28)

I had an enlightening exchange with a student today as we began to wrap up the evolution unit. He was all in all pretty confused about what we'd been learning, and told me that he didn't believe that humans were related to other animals. I explained to him that what he believes is his own business, but that he needs to understand the evidence that convinces scientists of our heritage. His reply:

"I can't understand if I don't believe."

I hope his case is not entirely typical, but the more I follow creationists like Ftk, the more I believe it's the case.

There is a small chance that FTK wants to learn. It is only small though! We can hope.

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Posted: Oct. 09 2008,18:56

Quote (argystokes @ Oct. 09 2008,18:28)

I had an enlightening exchange with a student today as we began to wrap up the evolution unit. He was all in all pretty confused about what we'd been learning, and told me that he didn't believe that humans were related to other animals. I explained to him that what he believes is his own business, but that he needs to understand the evidence that convinces scientists of our heritage. His reply:

"I can't understand if I don't believe."

I hope his case is not entirely typical, but the more I follow creationists like Ftk, the more I believe it's the case.

Ah, then you understand.

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Posted: Oct. 09 2008,19:15

Quote (argystokes @ Oct. 09 2008,18:28)

I had an enlightening exchange with a student today as we began to wrap up the evolution unit. He was all in all pretty confused about what we'd been learning, and told me that he didn't believe that humans were related to other animals. I explained to him that what he believes is his own business, but that he needs to understand the evidence that convinces scientists of our heritage. His reply:

"I can't understand if I don't believe."

I hope his case is not entirely typical, but the more I follow creationists like Ftk, the more I believe it's the case.

Very interesting. Are you continuing the conversation? The next question for me would be "Do you understand what you believe?", which - assuming it got a yes - would lead to the really interesting question of whether he could ever change his beliefs if he encountered something new.

"What would it take to change your mind?" is such a good thing to ask (often of yourself).

I doubt that would make him any the less confused, though, as such belief systems skew logical inference and render it powerless. Perhaps increasing the confusion is the best way forward - it can lead to epiphany. It did in my case.

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Posted: Oct. 10 2008,04:01

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I don't see this as a case of mere stupidity (lack of ability) or incompetence because some frighteningly intelligent and competent people do it. Nor is it a lack of humility, for some very humble people do it too. I think the "arguments" raised in its defence and the emotion/hysteria questioning it engenders is perhaps more telling than not.

Louis

Hang out your shingle dude... You make a whole lot of sense to me.

Envy is a terrible mistress.

I should know, the things she refused to do weren't THAT bad.

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Posted: Oct. 10 2008,04:03

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I had an enlightening exchange with a student today as we began to wrap up the evolution unit. He was all in all pretty confused about what we'd been learning, and told me that he didn't believe that humans were related to other animals. I explained to him that what he believes is his own business, but that he needs to understand the evidence that convinces scientists of our heritage. His reply:

"I can't understand if I don't believe."

I hope his case is not entirely typical, but the more I follow creationists like Ftk, the more I believe it's the case.

Very interesting. Are you continuing the conversation? The next question for me would be "Do you understand what you believe?", which - assuming it got a yes - would lead to the really interesting question of whether he could ever change his beliefs if he encountered something new.

"What would it take to change your mind?" is such a good thing to ask (often of yourself).

I doubt that would make him any the less confused, though, as such belief systems skew logical inference and render it powerless. Perhaps increasing the confusion is the best way forward - it can lead to epiphany. It did in my case.

Triply seconded in every respect.

Louis

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Posted: Oct. 10 2008,06:25

It just struck me; hypothyroidism may still be one of the under-diagnosed ailments, and one that AFAIK is more prevalent in women.

My wife was not quite herself for a long time before the doctor found out; and I have come to suspect that was what troubled my mother for many years too; you should have heard her fits of rage. (Aimed at my father who may have deserved it, but why broadcast it for the entire neighborhood?) That she also had goiter points in the same direction, doesn't it?

I am a determinist; where there is smoke, there is a fire.

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Posted: Oct. 10 2008,07:32

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You mean get my hands dirty and actually deal with PEOPLE (as opposed to nice quiet round bottomed flasks)?

So, erm- you like em nice, quiet, and round-bottomed?

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Posted: Oct. 10 2008,07:35

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You mean get my hands dirty and actually deal with PEOPLE (as opposed to nice quiet round bottomed flasks)?

So, erm- you like em nice, quiet, and round-bottomed?

[/freudian]

I'm not picky, I'll take an erlenmeyer too.

[/Jungian]

Louis

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Posted: Oct. 10 2008,08:02

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Quote (Louis @ Oct. 09 2008,14:05)

You mean get my hands dirty and actually deal with PEOPLE (as opposed to nice quiet round bottomed flasks)?

So, erm- you like em nice, quiet, and round-bottomed?

[/freudian]

I'm not picky, I'll take an erlenmeyer too.

[/Jungian]

Louis

Ah, yes, the erlenmeyer! Brings back fond memories of sophomore year chem lab...experiments under the hood...titrating, uh, something...into something else...excitingly bright endothermic chemical reactions...the instinctive need to observe the fun from up close... violent paroxysms of coughing.... the lab professor strongly recommending that I pursue a career in anything but O-chem, lest I kill myself at an unfortunately young age (or worse, on his watch)...

Good times.

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Posted: Oct. 10 2008,08:42

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Quote (Louis @ Oct. 09 2008,14:05)

You mean get my hands dirty and actually deal with PEOPLE (as opposed to nice quiet round bottomed flasks)?

So, erm- you like em nice, quiet, and round-bottomed?

[/freudian]

I'm not picky, I'll take an erlenmeyer too.

[/Jungian]

Louis

Ah, yes, the erlenmeyer! Brings back fond memories of sophomore year chem lab...experiments under the hood...titrating, uh, something...into something else...excitingly bright endothermic chemical reactions...the instinctive need to observe the fun from up close... violent paroxysms of coughing.... the lab professor strongly recommending that I pursue a career in anything but O-chem, lest I kill myself at an unfortunately young age (or worse, on his watch)...

Good times.

Bahhhh! If the occasional choking or explosion were all it took to persuade your prof that you weren't cut out for organic chemistry he/she was obviously some species of nervous nellie. I'd sue him/her for mental anguish and get back in the lab.

I might be biased however.

Louis

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Posted: Oct. 10 2008,08:59

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Quote (Louis @ Oct. 09 2008,05:58)

I don't see this as a case of mere stupidity (lack of ability) or incompetence because some frighteningly intelligent and competent people do it. Nor is it a lack of humility, for some very humble people do it too. I think the "arguments" raised in its defence and the emotion/hysteria questioning it engenders is perhaps more telling than not.

Louis

Hang out your shingle dude... You make a whole lot of sense to me.

AGAIN!!!????

Hell, I've barely recovered from the last time!

There we were, me an Louis surrounded by the Swedish Bikini Team, all clamoring for "attention". Well, we did our best for Queen and Old Glory, and, I must say, I don't think we let down our side.

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Posted: Oct. 10 2008,10:18

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Quote (Louis @ Oct. 09 2008,05:58)

I don't see this as a case of mere stupidity (lack of ability) or incompetence because some frighteningly intelligent and competent people do it. Nor is it a lack of humility, for some very humble people do it too. I think the "arguments" raised in its defence and the emotion/hysteria questioning it engenders is perhaps more telling than not.

Louis

Hang out your shingle dude... You make a whole lot of sense to me.

AGAIN!!!????

Hell, I've barely recovered from the last time!

There we were, me an Louis surrounded by the Swedish Bikini Team, all clamoring for "attention". �Well, we did our best for Queen and Old Glory, and, I must say, I don't think we let down our side.

I thought it was the Bolivian national women's gymnastics team.

Anyway, speaking of things being "let down" Arden, your wife's been phoning for a "real man" again. I gave her Carlsonjok's number. She was getting tired of 'Ras.

Right I think that's everyone dealt with. I can almost smell the pub!

Louis

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Posted: Oct. 10 2008,11:06

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"What would it take to change your mind?" is such a good thing to ask (often of yourself).

I think someone asked that would just respond with a ridiculously exaggerated answer, like "I want to see a cat birth a raccoon."

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Posted: Oct. 10 2008,11:10

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I don't see this as a case of mere stupidity (lack of ability) or incompetence because some frighteningly intelligent and competent people do it. Nor is it a lack of humility, for some very humble people do it too. I think the "arguments" raised in its defence and the emotion/hysteria questioning it engenders is perhaps more telling than not.

Louis

Hang out your shingle dude... You make a whole lot of sense to me.

AGAIN!!!????

Hell, I've barely recovered from the last time!

There we were, me an Louis surrounded by the Swedish Bikini Team, all clamoring for "attention". �Well, we did our best for Queen and Old Glory, and, I must say, I don't think we let down our side.

I thought it was the Bolivian national women's gymnastics team.

Anyway, speaking of things being "let down" Arden, your wife's been phoning for a "real man" again. I gave her Carlsonjok's number. She was getting tired of 'Ras.

Right I think that's everyone dealt with. I can almost smell the pub!

Louis

No, I distinctly remember is was the Bolivians then the Swedes.

I find it helps the memory to file things alphabetically, so if you remember that the "B" comes before the "S", you'll always have it right.

ps: Do you remember what the hell I did with that Gold Medal they gave me?

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Posted: Oct. 10 2008,11:11

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Quote (RupertG @ Oct. 09 2008,20:15)

"What would it take to change your mind?" is such a good thing to ask (often of yourself).

I think someone asked that would just respond with a ridiculously exaggerated answer, like "I want to see a cat birth a raccoon."

Dude! I accept evolutionary biology and *I* want to see that!

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Posted: Oct. 10 2008,11:13

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No, I distinctly remember is was the Bolivians then the Swedes. �

I find it helps the memory to file things alphabetically, so if you remember that the "B" comes before the "S", you'll always have it right.

ps: �Do you remember what the hell I did with that Gold Medal they gave me?

And who says we take these threads off topic with our nonsense? It's only a few posts in and we're already taking about B S, i.e. something close to FTK's heart.

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Posted: Oct. 10 2008,13:28

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[SNIP]

No, I distinctly remember is was the Bolivians then the Swedes. �

I find it helps the memory to file things alphabetically, so if you remember that the "B" comes before the "S", you'll always have it right.

ps: �Do you remember what the hell I did with that Gold Medal they gave me?

And who says we take these threads off topic with our nonsense? It's only a few posts in and we're already taking about B S, i.e. something close to FTK's heart.

Louis

Yeah... It's a veritable "Circle Of Life".

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Posted: Oct. 10 2008,13:50

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Right I think that's everyone dealt with. I can almost smell the pub!

You know...if you're headed to the pub, may I suggest you invite FTK and her friend Walt down for Mojitos?

I've heard fruitcakes are much more tolerable with a little rum in them.

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Posted: Oct. 10 2008,14:01

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[SNIP]

No, I distinctly remember is was the Bolivians then the Swedes. �

I find it helps the memory to file things alphabetically, so if you remember that the "B" comes before the "S", you'll always have it right.

ps: �Do you remember what the hell I did with that Gold Medal they gave me?

And who says we take these threads off topic with our nonsense? It's only a few posts in and we're already taking about B S, i.e. something close to FTK's heart.

Louis

She doesn't mind polluting other peoples threads, so just let her complain about us polluting hers.

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Posted: Oct. 12 2008,09:14

FtK shows off her reading comprehension skills. �

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Yeah, Palin's just a beast. She suceeded in getting a state trooper fired for unlawful behavior. Bad, bad Palin.

News flash, FtK. Palin fired the supervisor (public safety commissioner Walt Monegan); the brother-in-law is still a state trooper. If your command of those well-known facts is that shaky, maybe you should re-examine your command of other "facts" that you think you know. You might start by re-reading Walt Brown's book.

She then proceeds to bash Obama for his involvement in getting grants totaling about $200,000 while he was in the Illinois State Senate, ignoring the millions in pork that Palin hauled in while she was mayor, and the subsequent millions hauled in while she was governor. Get that beam out of your eye!

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Posted: Oct. 12 2008,15:31

Sorry Alby, FTK �s blog doesn�t say what your replication of FTK�s blog says. I�m sure you were just reading it with crossed eyes, or maybe your materialistic pre-conceptions tainted your view. I�m sure it�s all your fault for misreading what she originaly wrote.

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Posted: Oct. 12 2008,15:51

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Sorry Alby, FTK �s blog doesn�t say what your replication of FTK�s blog says. I�m sure you were just reading it with crossed eyes, or maybe your materialistic pre-conceptions tainted your view. I�m sure it�s all your fault for misreading what she originaly wrote.

Imagine that. And one wonders why FtK can't be trusted with an edit button here...

The current version

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Yeah, Palin's just a beast. She had a hand in the firing of a public safety commissioner due, in part, to his refusal to fire a state trooper for unlawful behavior. Bad, bad Sarah.

is still wrong. Palin didn't "have a hand in" firing Monegan, as the governor, she had hiring/firing responsibilities and she fired him herself. No other hands were involved. She tried to keep her hands clean by pressuring Monegan to do her dirty work for her (since she doesn't have hiring/firing responsibilities for individual troopers). But in the end she, and she alone, had to fire Monegan since he took a principled stand and refused to bypass his own department's regulations just to placate the governor.

Additionally, Monegan (and his successor) refused to fire the trooper because the internal investigation indicated that there was no cause to fire him. His alleged behavior may be unlawful, but "alleged" may not be the same as reality here, since he was disciplined but not fired. He would have been fired if laws were broken. Confusion between alleged and real seems to be something else that FtK has in common with her hero, Gov. Bush Lite.

Nice work, FtK. Not only do you demonstrate your usual inadequate command of the facts, you also got to show us how you'd rather edit silently than take responsibility for an error or two...

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Posted: Oct. 12 2008,17:39

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is still wrong. Palin didn't "have a hand in" firing Monegan, as the governor, she had hiring/firing responsibilities and she fired him herself. No other hands were involved.

Palin also claims to have not fired Monegan at all, but merely re-assigned him to the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board. Due to differences of opinion about budgets and stuff... oh and insubordination.

But I can understand why FTK likes Palin, they have a lot in common: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-tra....er.html
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In a Saturday conference call with Alaska journalists, Palin said she was "pleased to be cleared of any legal wrongdoing ... any hint of any kind of unethical activity there." She denounced the investigation, calling it "a partisan circus."

Right, so the partisan circus cleared you of wrong doing ?

And this pleases you ? If that isn't FTK "logic", I don't know what is.

Say, has anyone actualy seen FTK and Palin in the same room ? I know FTK is *supposed* to be from Kansas, but... the similarities are striking

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Posted: Oct. 12 2008,18:36

At The Atlantic, Andrew Sullivan has this item:

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The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin XIX: Abuse Of Power

The legislative report is very clear. Shall we review its findings in its own language? Finding Number One, released Friday afternoon:

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For the reasons explained in section IV of this report, I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) provides The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.

Here is what vice-presdential nominee Sarah Palin said yesterday:

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�There was no abuse of authority at all in trying to get Officer Wooten fired.

� �In fact, remember, Officer Wooten is still an Alaska state trooper, which is up to the commissioner and the personnel top brass in the Department of Public Safety that decides who is worthy of a badge and carryin� a gun in the state of Alaska. If they think that Trooper Wooten is worthy of that, that�s their decision. I don�t micromanage my commissioners and ask them to hire or fire anyone. And thankfully the truth was revealed there in that report that showed there was no unlawful or unethical activity on my part.�

At some point, the McCain campaign will realize that their veep candidate is a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic.

Again: this is the clear pattern with Palin: she publicly denies reality, insists on repeating that denial and is unable to deal with real world the way psychologically healthy people do. That's why I called her lies "odd lies." They are not the lies of a devious politician. They are much more troubling than that. They reflect a psyche unable to process fact when it conflicts with a delusional self-image. She is even worse in this psychotic denialism than Bush. She is a politician who can only survive in a propaganda state.

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Note the parts that I bolded. �They are a good description that I think apply to others in the creationist camp.

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