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blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2008,19:31   

I just asked Ftk if she thinks the two versions of the Palin story she posted are the same.  Of course, the comment won't see the light of day and neither will she answer it, but on the up side, it will get her to block another large swath of IP addresses.  :D

She has already blocked not less than 5 distinct blocks of IP addresses.  I figure in another two months or so, she will have excluded half of the United States from her blog.  It's going to be funny when she blocks the IP address of any of her regulars (Larry or William Wallace) just because I happen to be in the vicinity.

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2008,19:42   

I can think of something even funnier.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2008,19:49   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 12 2008,19:42)
I can think of something even funnier.

Maybe I'll find myself in central Kansas sometime...  :p

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And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

   
csadams



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2008,06:42   

[rollingeyes]

Central Kansas?

Topeka's in eastern Kansas, fer cryin' out loud.

[muttering] damn cityfolk . . .

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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2008,08:35   

A little more fact-checking on FtK's recent posts, which seems to come directly from a McCain campaign site.  She observes    
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This Fannie/Freddie travesty could have been stopped if Democrats in congress had allowed for legislation to pass that would have protected all of us.

It's so irritating it keeps me awake at night thinking about it. My family has been directly hit by this mess, and my husband had to close his business of 10 years due to what Fannie & Freddie did to the housing market.

But according to a story in today's KC Star    
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A campaign that blames the global financial crisis on a government push to make housing more affordable for lower-class Americans has taken off on talk radio and in e-mail. Commentators say that was what triggered the stock market meltdown and the freeze on credit. They specifically target Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the mortgage finance giants that the federal government seized Sept. 6. They say that lending to poor and minority Americans caused Fannie’s and Freddie’s financial problems.

Federal housing data reveal that the charges aren’t true, and that the private sector, not the government or government-backed companies, was behind the soaring subprime lending at the core of the crisis.

Subprime lending offered high-cost loans to the weakest borrowers in the housing boom from 2001 to 2007. Subprime lending was at its height from 2004 to 2006.

Federal Reserve Board data show that:

•More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions.

•Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.

•Only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was directly subject to the housing law that the critics lambaste.

Once again, actual data contradict FtK's opinion. More specifically, the article goes on to state    
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From 2004 to 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector.

It doesn't look like anyone should lay awake at night worrying about Fannie Mae's and Freddie Mac's contributions to the problem. Once again, the unregulated free market, the altar at which all real Republicans worship, failed. So I think it might be more prudent to worry about what would happen if McBush and Bush Lite got elected; their understanding of economic policy is in the same league as born^again77's understanding of "materialism".

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2008,15:38   

Glass-Steagall law was replaced by another law under Bill Clinton's presidency.

U.S. financial business spent several hundred millions of dollars in lobbying for the replacement of Glass-Steagall.

The purpose was to remove the distinction between investment banks and regular banks, and several fusions ensued.

The effect was that the new giant banks could lend far more money without increasing assets.

Voices were raised warning about the consequences that we see today.

I do not believe in a free market.

Edit: changed 'more more' to 'more'.

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blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2008,20:56   

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Unbelievable.  You've forgotten one important thing.  The merits.  ID has zero, none, not one merit.  That is why it will not be taught in university science classes.

If you would like to take the time to point out one merit that it has, please do so.  You will then prove all those evil, teacher guys wrong.  Remember, your example can't start with any version of "Evolution doesn't..."

As a side note, exactly what is wrong with choosing to spend your entire adult life in a university setting?  Is it lack of exposure to other things?  If so, what about the people who choose to spend their entire adult lives in churches?  Are they too to be ridiculed?  If not, why not?

What about people who choose to live their entire lives in restaurants (as managers or bartenders, or cooks)?  Should they then too be shunned?

Or, is it that universities are evil in some way?  If so, why don't we just shut them down?  What good are they?  Do they even serve any purpose?

Does Baylor counts as a university?  Should we then shun Dr. Dr. D?

All important questions.  All points that you will fail to grasp.


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But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG

And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

   
American Saddlebred



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,14:25   

Awww.  PZ's poll crashing made FtK mad.

Gee what would happen if the other side told their minions what to do?!?!?  OMG we'd be liek so mad cuz they liek sooo aren't allowed to do that.

   
Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,14:49   

Quote (American Saddlebred @ Oct. 14 2008,14:25)
Awww.  PZ's poll crashing made FtK mad.

Gee what would happen if the other side told their minions what to do?!?!?  OMG we'd be liek so mad cuz they liek sooo aren't allowed to do that.

I think that the fact that PZ is still breathing is enough to make FtK mad...

I see she also picked up on a newspaper article that Dave Heddle linked to in a comment thread here. Good to see that she still reads AtBC.  Too bad that the article quotes Palin fulminating (without any evidence, per usual) that ACORN is "stealing the election", and that one of the commenters feels like the ammo box will be a good alternative if the ballot box fails to satisfy the right-wingers this time around.

And the less said about her "liberal thugocracy", the better. It's amusing that she finds it offensive that Obama has allegedly chosen to live in "university communities", where "college and university campuses where administrators, armed with speech codes, have for years been disciplining and subjecting to sensitivity training any students who dare to utter thoughts that liberals find offensive". I guess I hadn't noticed that here at KSU; here's a letter to the editor from today's issue of the campus newspaper that seems to indicate otherwise. But FtK's opinions about college campuses, or reality, for that matter, have never been encumbered by facts.

Pretty sad company...

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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2008,17:46   

I love it so! FtK's newest post is I love Joe the Plumber

Turns out that Joe is

a) not a licensed plumber or contractor
b) lied about the above facts
c) owes some back taxes

and

d) would get a tax cut under Obama's tax plan.

In other words, he is a classic Republican, and he voted as a Republican in the primary in Ohio.

link

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2008,21:43   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Oct. 16 2008,17:46)
I love it so! FtK's newest post is I love Joe the Plumber

Turns out that Joe is

a) not a licensed plumber or contractor
b) lied about the above facts
c) owes some back taxes

and

d) would get a tax cut under Obama's tax plan.

In other words, he is a classic Republican, and he voted as a Republican in the primary in Ohio.

link

i have also seen reports - unconfimed at this point - that he is related to one of the Keating 5 defendents.  

When you're John McCain, you're down so far even bottom look like up!

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2008,22:04   

Quote (J-Dog @ Oct. 16 2008,19:43)
 
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Oct. 16 2008,17:46)
I love it so! FtK's newest post is I love Joe the Plumber

Turns out that Joe is

a) not a licensed plumber or contractor
b) lied about the above facts
c) owes some back taxes

and

d) would get a tax cut under Obama's tax plan.

In other words, he is a classic Republican, and he voted as a Republican in the primary in Ohio.

link

i have also seen reports - unconfimed at this point - that he is related to one of the Keating 5 defendents.  

When you're John McCain, you're down so far even bottom look like up!

I gather the Keating thing is false, tho his ex-wife apparently spent time in a battered women's shelter.

So yes, he's a perfect Republican, and a perfect hero for FTK.  I'm seeing posters at 538.com swearing he's going to 'win the election' for McCain. I am not kidding.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2008,11:24   

Hey, Ftk:

Did you realize that the film clips from SNL you've embedded on your blog are sometimes followed by a lengthy trailer for Religulous? And at others by a trailer for "W"?

Just asking.

Go here: http://reasonablekansans.blogspot.com/2008....ve.html

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2008,17:21   

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/img/mammalST_A4.pdf
   
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The Complete Mammal Family Tree [pdf]

abc.net.au — High resolution map by Dr. Olaf Bininda-Emonds

FTK, if "design" were true would it look like that?

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/2399186.htm
Another one
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped....SVG.svg

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2008,20:51   



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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
jeffox



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2008,00:18   

NP  :)

  
Jasper



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2008,11:12   

FtK practices her powers of projection:
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Be sure to keep up to date on the war against Intelligent Design. Darwinists wants our students to bury their heads in the sand and comply to authority. They don't want them to think outside of the box for fear they'll discover how lame the Darwinian concept really is. It's based upon a philosophical worldview...NOT SCIENCE.

Read Evolution News and Views daily!

Link

ETA: Notice that, despite her protestations to the contrary, FtK's focus really is on getting ID into classrooms. Otherwise, she wouldn't preface this as a "war against Intelligent Design."

  
Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2008,11:58   

Quote (Jasper @ Oct. 27 2008,11:12)
FtK practices her powers of projection:
   
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Be sure to keep up to date on the war against Intelligent Design. Darwinists wants our students to bury their heads in the sand and comply to authority. They don't want them to think outside of the box for fear they'll discover how lame the Darwinian concept really is. It's based upon a philosophical worldview...NOT SCIENCE.

Read Evolution News and Views daily!

Link

ETA: Notice that, despite her protestations to the contrary, FtK's focus really is on getting ID into classrooms. Otherwise, she wouldn't preface this as a "war against Intelligent Design."

Well, you can't really expect her to be consistent...

In other news, she comments here that  
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People should be in charge of their own pocketbook, not the government. We shouldn't enable people to live off the government. That doesn't benefit them or their future generations.

Of course, the rich have more opportunity to help the poor and they should...that's the moral choice. Every church I've ever been a part of encourages helping and serving others as Christ did for us.

But, I don't want the government to be in charge of deciding how our money should be alloted.

High-falutin' language from someone who is a blind supporter of the governor of Alaska, who presides over a "redistribution of wealth" from the oil companies to the citizens of Alaska every year. To the tune of about $3K this year. Not based on their hard work or other meritorius activities, but merely for living in the state of Alaska.

Sounds like socialism to me!

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Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind
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To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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Jasper



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2008,12:32   

More from FtK:

   
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Can you freaking imagine if someone had hung Obama from that noose?????!!!!11111!!!!

Link


Um, yes.  

Yes we can.

Edit: Fixed first link.

  
blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2008,15:08   

More blithering stupidity from Ftk; she can't be bothered to actually think about anything she types (or says, most likely).

 
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Absolutely not. Some aspects of socialism sound good, yet when you look at the bigger picture, it has more negatives than positives. Our country was built as a capitalist country, and we've done well until just recently.


I'll bet my life savings (taking a recent look at my IRA, that's about $17.93 now-a-days) that Ftk couldn't discuss the positives or negatives of socialism.  She probably couldn't even name them.  Must be nice to be able to live your life merely parroting what you hear others say.

Of course we've done well for the whole entire history of our country, except a minor drawback here and there:

1.  Massive reconstruction and poverty after the Civil War

2.  Large scale loss of jobs and property due to the failure of large industrial centers in the Great Lakes region, including but not limited to: Gary, IN; Toledo, OH; Pittsburgh, PA; Cleveland, OH.

3.  The Energy Crisis of the 1970s

4.  The Great Depression

5.  The Current SNAFU

Yep.  All hunky-dory all the time.  No problems have ever reared up here in the good ol' US of A.  USA! USA! USA!

Ftk, try to leave the state of Kansas every once in a while.  Or, at least try talking to some people there who know what they're talking about.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2008,16:48   

From the comments on the lynching image page:

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There are nutjobs and crazies on both sides of the political spectrum. No question about that.

It’s just that liberals don’t put their nutjobs and crazies on the ticket.


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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2008,17:56   

Quote (Jasper @ Oct. 27 2008,11:12)
FtK practices her powers of projection:
 
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Be sure to keep up to date on the war against Intelligent Design. Darwinists wants our students to bury their heads in the sand and comply to authority. They don't want them to think outside of the box for fear they'll discover how lame the Darwinian concept really is. It's based upon a philosophical worldview...NOT SCIENCE.

Read Evolution News and Views daily!

Link

ETA: Notice that, despite her protestations to the contrary, FtK's focus really is on getting ID into classrooms. Otherwise, she wouldn't preface this as a "war against Intelligent Design."

She's got us just where she wants us.... winning at the polls and winning in the courts.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2008,18:04   

It's the same revealing thing Davetard says at UD--that if Obama wins, he'll get to appoint judges, and ID will be screwed. That's a very revealing thing to say. If ID were science that wouldn't be even remotely true. It's only true if ID is a political movement.

   
Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2008,20:22   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 27 2008,18:04)
It's the same revealing thing Davetard says at UD--that if Obama wins, he'll get to appoint judges, and ID will be screwed. That's a very revealing thing to say. If ID were science that wouldn't be even remotely true. It's only true if ID is a political movement.

Heck, even with W picking the judges, ID didn't win.

Maybe if the president got to pick the new members of the National Academy of Sciences, things would go better for ID...

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As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 28 2008,17:28   

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But, according to Add Health data, evangelical teen-agers are more sexually active than Mormons, mainline Protestants, and Jews. On average, white evangelical Protestants make their “sexual début”—to use the festive term of social-science researchers—shortly after turning sixteen. Among major religious groups, only black Protestants begin having sex earlier.

Another key difference in behavior, Regnerus reports, is that evangelical Protestant teen-agers are significantly less likely than other groups to use contraception. This could be because evangelicals are also among the most likely to believe that using contraception will send the message that they are looking for sex. It could also be because many evangelicals are steeped in the abstinence movement’s warnings that condoms won’t actually protect them from pregnancy or venereal disease. More provocatively, Regnerus found that only half of sexually active teen-agers who say that they seek guidance from God or the Scriptures when making a tough decision report using contraception every time. By contrast, sixty-nine per cent of sexually active youth who say that they most often follow the counsel of a parent or another trusted adult consistently use protection.


http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/11/03/081103fa_fact_talbot
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the red-state model is clearly failing on its own terms—producing high rates of teen pregnancy, divorce, sexually transmitted disease, and other dysfunctional outcomes that social conservatives say they abhor.


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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 28 2008,20:06   

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By contrast, sixty-nine per cent of sexually active youth who say that they most often follow the counsel of a parent or another trusted adult consistently use protection.


Um...Arden?  Louis?  Come on, guys!

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2008,03:32   

Quote (blipey @ Oct. 29 2008,02:06)
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By contrast, sixty-nine per cent of sexually active youth who say that they most often follow the counsel of a parent or another trusted adult consistently use protection.


Um...Arden?  Louis?  Come on, guys!

Mnnnnnnnahhhh!

Sixty nine!

Sexually active!!!!

Youth!!!!!!

{holds head}

TOO MANY JOKES!!!!

{faints}

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2008,06:56   

Once more, FtK lets alpha male Vox Day do her thinking for her. He tries to make a link between science and atheism with a quote that mentions neither religion nor atheism, and says that anyone who agrees with the sentiments there "should be stripped of their science degrees and their intellectual pretensions". Here's the best projection I've read in a long time.    
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Science fetishists, economically vacuuous (sic) secularists, liberal progressives... they're not precisely the same, but there's certainly a significant amount of overlap. And in each and every case, there is a near complete inability to apply even the most rudimentary logic to the subject at hand as well as an intense, emotional reaction to having their ignorance punctured with the verifiable facts.

And FtK, who is a poster child for the "intense, emotional reaction" syndrome identified above, chimes in with full agreement.

Priceless.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2008,07:41   

Meanwhile, back on October 8:
 
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[*Those of you from AtBC who read this will claim that I'm using blipey as an excuse to end the continuing conversation in regard to common descent vs. common design. That is not the case, and I will address relevant comments to my last lengthy post on the subject in a post from my blog in the near future.]


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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2008,10:11   

How The Mighty Have Fallen

It is sad. This thread lies discarded, like a favorite vibrator whose batteries FtK has not replaced.
Lama, lama, FtK sabachthani

So here is a little tidbit for you. Walt Brown's Ph.D thesis online.

Damn, it hurts to read this. This is real hard science. From this to hydroplates, it is like the trajectory of Behe or Gonzalez. When did Walt catch the YEC meme?

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