Antievolution.org :: Antievolution.org Discussion Board The Critic's Resource on Antievolution

Antievolution.org Discussion Board > From the Panda's Thumb > After the Bar Closes... > Unintelligent Reasoning

Pages: (16) < 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 7 8 9 10 ... >

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,10:38    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 27 2009,10:01) Don't you have to follow all the sub-ingredients down until you have to make matter? ALLRIGHT GODDAMMIT YOU GET YOUR OWN DIRT FLOUR. keiths that is the beautiful part of the Mullah Joe G.  he can't let it go, and doesn't have the logorrhea that makes the can't-admit-error quality so aggravating in other tards (I'm thinking of Gordon Mullings).   so you get the great insults from Mullah and from KF you get a random word sample from the "sadly evo-mat hyperskepticism onlookers always linked" phrase table. I like my tard concise and far from the point! -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,10:39    Quote (keiths @ Mar. 27 2009,10:27) The beautiful thing about Joe is that he won't let it go.  He proves that tard is not a conserved quantity; it contains no CSI and can therefore be produced without limit. He's like a weasel with a rag dipped in rabbit-juice. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

dheddle Posts: 545 Joined: Sep. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,10:42    Quote (AmandaHuginKiss @ Mar. 27 2009,10:28)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 28 2009,03:01) Don't you have to follow all the sub-ingredients down until you have to make matter? Not only that you need to develop the recipe in such a way that aliens can interpret it otherwise it is just some random gibberish I sense a novel here --it opens medias res with Richard Hughes eating a Hostess Hoho--and employs flashback to explain how the recipe arrived encoded in EPCDIC (lower case only.) EDIT: spelling -------------- Mysticism is a rational enterprise. Religion is not. The mystic has recognized something about the nature of consciousness prior to thought, and this recognition is susceptible to rational discussion. The mystic has reason for what he believes, and these reasons are empirical. --Sam Harris

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,10:47    I THINK YOU'LL FIND HOSTESSES EAT ME, NOT VICEY VERSEY.   -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,10:48    It's a textbook example of the inverse relationship between 'insults' and 'having a point'. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,10:55    Joes *Hearts* Oleg: Quote am not here to prove that a cake can arise spontaneously. Yet you said you had "proof" it doesn't require any information. I am helping you evaluate its information content. You are a legend in your own mind. With your "help" nothing would ever get accomplished. I took your own procedure and showed formally that it gives zero information content. You bastardized my procedure and twisted it to get some nonsensical result. So I will say it again- If YOUR "proof"/ outcome had any merit then you should be able to demonstrate a cake arising without information. Failure to produce such a demonstration is a strong indication that YOU are full of shit. Is that clear enough? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,11:15    Joe just told the little woman to butt out. Yeah, I'm not going to beat myself up trying to knock some sense into your head, Joe. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,11:54    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 27 2009,18:55) Joes *Hearts* Oleg:   Quote am not here to prove that a cake can arise spontaneously. Yet you said you had "proof" it doesn't require any information. I am helping you evaluate its information content. You are a legend in your own mind. With your "help" nothing would ever get accomplished. I took your own procedure and showed formally that it gives zero information content. You bastardized my procedure and twisted it to get some nonsensical result. So I will say it again- If YOUR "proof"/ outcome had any merit then you should be able to demonstrate a cake arising without information. Failure to produce such a demonstration is a strong indication that YOU are full of shit. Is that clear enough? Joe should give up baking and do eggs instead. They're a lot easier Joe. Here's what you do. 1.Wake up. 2. Boil water. 3. Put in egg 4. Sumersault naked into kitchen grab spoon toss egg onto nearest asshole and enjoy. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,12:33    Man that dialogue with oleg is funny.  Joe sure knows how to have a conversation. oleg, I bow to you.  Your patience and dry wit are enviable. -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,14:20    Quote (dheddle @ Mar. 27 2009,10:42)     Quote (AmandaHuginKiss @ Mar. 27 2009,10:28)       Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 28 2009,03:01) Don't you have to follow all the sub-ingredients down until you have to make matter? Not only that you need to develop the recipe in such a way that aliens can interpret it otherwise it is just some random gibberish I sense a novel here --it opens medias res with Richard Hughes eating a Hostess Hoho--and employs flashback to explain how the recipe arrived encoded in EPCDIC (lower case only.) EDIT: spelling Not to mention you'd also have to follow all the "definitions" of all the words in the recipe down to the definitions of the words in the definitions, and then in each of those definitions, etc., etc. So, I go figure skating and trace a figure-8 in the ice, it's worth 8 ASCII bits? Because what about if I change to doing a rocker or a loop? I'm not aware of any written instructions on how to learn, really learn, figure skating. You have to learn from another human being, through imitation. Does this mean that skating has no content, Joe? Because I would argue that it contains a lot more information than football (but maybe we shouldn't go there). -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,14:23    I put on my hip-waders and posted a comment.  I pointed out that oleg is not saying the cake contains no information but only that Joe's way of talking about information is nonsensical. -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,14:28    Quote (Hermagoras @ Mar. 27 2009,14:23) I put on my hip-waders and posted a comment.  I pointed out that oleg is not saying the cake contains no information but only that Joe's way of talking about information is nonsensical. He'll be 'round your house with his buddies in no time.. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,15:17    I think this may be my flounce-out. Joe:   Quote Kristine, There isn't any evidence that would demonstrate any amount of genetic change can account for the differences observed betwen organisms. There isn't any evidence for cumulative selection leading to new body plans and new protein machinery. Nothing. So stick that in your evidence pipe, hon. Moi:   Quote Joe G, you just show me how to "stick it in my evidence pipe." I would really love to see if you can find it. What a jerk. Scientists take heed! The retired airline pilot has spoken! ETA - Down tigers! Down! Edited by Kristine on Mar. 27 2009,15:24 -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,15:28    Poor Cakeboy! Normally I'd feel bad, but he deserves it. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,15:41    Hermagoras, it's pointless to argue with Joe at this point.  He has painted himself into a corner.  Any further responses from him will be insults.  I'm done. -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,15:57    Quote (olegt @ Mar. 27 2009,15:41) Hermagoras, it's pointless to argue with Joe at this point.  He has painted himself into a corner.  Any further responses from him will be insults.  I'm done. oleg I am being generous to say that I never expected much more from him than that. but well played, you have reduced him to a sniveling pile of man-queef.  and with such style!  I second hermagoras. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,15:58    Joe's continuing temper tantrum: Quote So I will say it again- If YOUR "proof"/ outcome had any merit then you should be able to demonstrate a cake arising without information. Failure to produce such a demonstration is a strong indication that YOU are full of shit. Is that clear enough? This is completely silly.   His position is "A, therefore B," where A = a cake contains lots of Joe-information, B = a cake cannot arise spontaneously.   I show that A is false.  What does he do?  He ascribes to me the position "not A, therefore not B."   Talk about a non sequitur! -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,16:02    Quote (olegt @ Mar. 27 2009,15:41) Hermagoras, it's pointless to argue with Joe at this point.  He has painted himself into a corner.  Any further responses from him will be insults.  I'm done. Oleg, I'll tell you what. How about I just go to Lunds and have the recipe spray-frostinged onto the cake? Maybe that will resolve the issue. Naturally, I'll have them write it in binary, because that's less fattening. Joe decorates a cake. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,16:13    Quote (olegt @ Mar. 27 2009,15:58) Talk about a non sequitur! I NO THAT YOU OUR BUT WHAT AM I? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,16:53    Whatever. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Thought Provoker Posts: 530 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,16:56    Hi Oleg, I'm sure you have figured this out already, but Joe is very much in denial and has a blind spot about what he means when he says something contains information. I had tangled with Joe in 2006 challenging him to a debate on a "level playing field". I attempted as you did to get Joe to qualify his definition of "information content". Quote I am interested in having Joe expound on his term "information content". Can non-living things have "information content"? For example, does a simple rock contain information (e.g. weight, mass, dimensions, etc)? If that is the case, do two rocks contain more information than one rock (not necessarily double, just more)? Joe simply refused to even acknowledge my request, much less answer it, even though I asked it multiple times. In case you are interested here is the link to the thread.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,16:59    My new post - let's see if it makes sees the light of day: Quote Joe, such a potty mouth - I don't think the school board will approve. "He showed me that he could take my idea and twist it." That'd be a pretzel then, which presumably would have MORE information? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,17:01    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 27 2009,15:28) Poor Cakeboy! Normally I'd feel bad, but he deserves it. He didn't get it anyway, probably because he doesn't. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

KCdgw Posts: 376 Joined: Sep. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,17:07    Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 27 2009,17:01) Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 27 2009,15:28) Poor Cakeboy! Normally I'd feel bad, but he deserves it. He didn't get it anyway, probably because he doesn't. What a frakking maroon. KC -------------- Those who know the truth are not equal to those who love it-- Confucius

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,17:08    Joe has a blind spot (reality).  Let's leave it at that. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,17:18    I'll get the knife. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2009,21:24    Oh, Oleg, Joe has spanked you good: http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2009....ck.html -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2009,22:06    i honestly believe y'all made him cry some.  man what an angry tard.  i would like to see him fight a swarm of bees. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2009,22:19    I sent what I thought was a helpful comment about what an asshole he was being.  Of course he didn't let it get posted. -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2009,22:51    Joe is in a state of denial.     Quote What does this have to do with oleg? Oleg said:   Quote First, I assume along with you that the amount of CSI X in a cake is determined by the number of letters in the recipe. Seems like a real stupid assumption now doesn’t it. And it certainly ain’t what I assumed at all. Joe the Information Technologist 1- oleg the information theorist 0 Yet letter count is precisely what he suggested in a previous post, repeating it three times!   Quote A simple character count reveals 202 characters which translates into 1010 bits of information/ specified complexity.. you write down the procedure without wasting words/ characters and count those bits. Again just count the bits in the instructions. Poor guy. -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

Pages: (16) < 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 7 8 9 10 ... >

Track this topic	Email this topic	Print this topic

© 2002-2009 Antievolution.org Powered by Ikonboard 3.0.2a © 2001 Ikonboard