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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2007,16:06   

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John W

The spider part was yours, not blipey's.  My error.  I looked at the aricles and the "tree" is arranged by some appearrance/trait criterion with no relationship to their supposed evolutionary history.  All trees are man-made devices and do not prove anything except that we can arrange items in a series.

I will have to find another source.  But do you believe that we have always had AIDS or that it is a recent addition?  Can you prove to me that there were more STDs other than syph. and gon. in decades past?

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...the "tree" is arranged by some appearrance/trait criterion with no relationship to their supposed evolutionary history

Wrong.

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All trees are man-made devices and do not prove anything except that we can arrange items in a series.

Wrong.  Evolution from a common ancestor predicts that we can arrange items, not just in a series, but a nested hierarchy.  Creationism makes no such prediction.

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But do you believe that we have always had AIDS or that it is a recent addition?

AIDS appears to be a fairly recent acquisition by humans.  But that wasn't your claim, was it?  You claimed there were once only two or three human STDs.  That's what I'm questioning.

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Can you prove to me that there were more STDs other than syph. and gon. in decades past?

You made the claim (originally two or three human STDs) - it's your responsibility to back it up, and not shift the burden of proof.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2007,16:10   

According to http://www.tolweb.org/Arthropoda , insects and spiders are about as far from each other as its possible to get and still be in the same phylum. That suggests that they separated before developing any of the features particularly associated with the spider or insect taxa. Ergo, neither of them evolved from anything resembling the other.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2007,16:11   

Christopher,

Please let me know which dating technology you believe to be accurate.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2007,17:09   

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John W

The spider part was yours, not blipey's.  My error.  I looked at the aricles and the "tree" is arranged by some appearrance/trait criterion with no relationship to their supposed evolutionary history.

Aren't those the criteria by which we infer their evolutionary history?
 
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All trees are man-made devices and do not prove anything except that we can arrange items in a series.

Trees aren't series, and for sequences, we let computers calculate the trees. Evolutionary theory predicts that with the exception of experimental and systematic errors, THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE TREE THAT FITS THE DATA. If you had bothered to read such papers, you might have noticed that p values are often supplied, and they are tiny.

That's why your objection is not only wrong, but would be irrelevant if it were right.
 
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I will have to find another source.  But do you believe that we have always had AIDS or that it is a recent addition?

When we apply modern evolutionary biology to AIDS, the best hypothesis is that its ancestor moved from chimps to humans in the first half of the 20th century. What's your hypothesis, and what data support it?
 
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Can you prove to me that there were more STDs other than syph. and gon. in decades past?

Yes, but since you made the claim, it's your responsibility to support it.

And if your opinion is that they are new, where did they come from?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2007,19:47   

John W,

So let me get this straight, according to the tree of life, we are all just animals.  So if I terminate your life, it doesn't really matter, as it is no different from a spider eating the same species of spider.

To improvius,

Wow!  I am as flawed as Gould.  Neat!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2007,20:11   

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John W,

So let me get this straight, according to the tree of life, we are all just animals.  So if I terminate your life, it doesn't really matter, as it is no different from a spider eating the same species of spider.

It doesn't matter to the spider. It might matter to John's family. What does that question have to do with science?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2007,00:43   

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John W,

So let me get this straight, according to the tree of life, we are all just animals.  So if I terminate your life, it doesn't really matter, as it is no different from a spider eating the same species of spider.

How about this, Christopher.  I won't teach morals from evolutionary theory, and you don't teach science from the Bible.  Sound reasonable?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2007,01:57   

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How about this, Christopher.  I won't teach morals from evolutionary theory, and you don't teach science from the Bible.  Sound reasonable?

Christopher's been taking Aesop's fables too literally.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2007,02:12   

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John W,

So let me get this straight, according to the tree of life, we are all just animals.  So if I terminate your life, it doesn't really matter, as it is no different from a spider eating the same species of spider.

To improvius,

Wow!  I am as flawed as Gould.  Neat!

I think it probably matters to the spider..both of them, actually.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2007,06:29   

Christopher,

Again, what dating method(s) do you accept?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2007,07:17   

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So let me get this straight, according to the tree of life, we are all just animals.

Christopher's been talking to trees, apparently.  I can't say I'm surprised.
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So if I terminate your life, it doesn't really matter, as it is no different from a spider eating the same species of spider.

In what relevant sense could it be said to not matter?  It would matter to me, obviously, as I have a natural instinct to stay alive and will (like all living things, religious or not) struggle vigorously to prevent being "terminated."  It would matter to my family, because they are emotionally attached to me and because I provide a significant proportion of their material support.  It would matter to the legal authorities, because they are vested with the responsibility to make sure people are not "terminated" by religious wackos like you or anyone else.  It would matter to the company where I work, because there are tasks that I am expected to get done and significant costs that would be incurred in replacing me.  And it would matter to my community, because they would live in increased fear of violence due to, apparently, a creationist nut who goes around "terminating" people to score irrelevant rhetorical points against a scientific theory he repeatedly demonstrates that he doesn't understand.

In short, of course it would matter.  What does this have to do with whether the available scientific evidence concerning the origins of biological diversity is best explained by MET?  Look up "argument from consequences."  It's a well-known logical fallacy.  Look that one up too, "fallacy."  If your argument is fallacious, and it is, that means that it can't be said to prove anything regardless of what premises you accept.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2007,08:06   

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So let me get this straight, according to the tree of life, we are all just animals.

Yup.

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So if I terminate your life, it doesn't really matter, as it is no different from a spider eating the same species of spider.!

Nope. Does not follow.

I notice you are not adressing any of the age-of-the-Earth issues.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2007,09:48   

"I notice you are not adressing any of the age-of-the-Earth issues."

You noticed that also?


Christopher,

What dating method do you accept?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2007,09:58   

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Christopher,

What dating method do you accept?

re:  Dating Methods -

I think he insists that you leave room for the Holy Ghost when dancing, and only getting to first base on a first date.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2007,10:20   

Allow me to pick a troubling nit:

 
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Quote (C Gieschen @ Oct. 16 2007,20:47)

So let me get this straight, according to the tree of life, we are all just animals.

Yup.


Saying we are "just" animals is a sneaky way to imply that evolution claims we're no better than any other animal. That our lives have no more intrinsic value than any other animal's. Such as a spider's.

Evolution doesn't say that. It says we are animals. Whether we are better, worse, or equal in 'value' to any other animal is a judgement that is independent of evolutionary science.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2007,11:40   

Steverino,

I accept dating methods that are corroberated by verifiable history, like dating the mummies.  So radiocarbon is fairly reliable with in limits.  That is surprising the RATE team found traces of carbon14 in samples of coal and diamonds when the smaples were supposed to be too old to have any C14.  I could point you to sources, but it is of no use as you will have your papers on your sides.

To the others : (oldman, yours is at the end)

I recommend this website, wihch I am sure most of you already know : http://www.evolutionnews.org/.

If you claim that Answers In Genesis will not deal with your issues, then research the articles dealing with "tree of life" or "molecular evolution" or "isochrons" or "debate details" and ask them what is their interpretation of the evidence.  I am e-mailing them to be expecting will researched questions showing where their interps are wrong and why.

I don't see how it does not follow regarding the death question.  If we are just animals, then what is the reason to not behave like animals?  If at the end of how ever many billion years of universe existence it all ends up as unversal heat death, the what's the point?  Why will anything matter?  Who cares?  All the selfish genes will be kaput and that's all she wrote.

I do not believe in the spontaneous generation of life, where as most of you do.  I do not accept that specified complexity, as found in DNA and sentences like this can self generate unless there is an intelligence behind them.  I do not accept that mutations of brain cell DNA can result in a creature knowing what to do with structures that have happened to have "evolved" at the same time by coincidence.

How about this...if I am wrong and you are right, then it does not matter a whit, or I may come back as a snail, or whatever.  But if I am right and you are wrong, I, as a believer in Jesus being the only way to the Father (as He claimed He was), will get heaven and the rest of you who do not believe will not be allowed in.

This is my ultimate bottom line.  I apologize that I don't have the explanations for your interpretations of the evidence.  As the servant said in R & J in Act I, "I must to the learned!"  There are explanations out there.  Junk DNA has been found to be not so.  Fossils have been found out of evolutionary sequence. (Pine pollen in lower layers of the Grand Canyon ala Dr. Clifford Burdick who was an evo who switched due to the evidence to a creationist.)

Oldmanintheskydidntdoit,

Amongst all the others I have put you on my prayer list.  Others on this list will probably chide you and mock me in the process.  I expect this.  I still don't know why you accept Dawkins answer to the genome question when he never really answered it.  

If the only objection you have to God's Word being what it claims to be is the Tyre issue, then consider that names for things are different than what we say.  Jesus said behold my hands, when the Romans put the nails through His wrists.  But in those day, it was considered the hand.  So Tyre as the island city (think wrist) is no more and cannot be rebuilt as it is underwater, so the prophecy came true.  If you find a way to get a hold of me outside of this thread, I give you the option to do so.

In Him,

Chris

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2007,11:50   

"I do not accept that mutations of brain cell DNA can result in a creature knowing what to do with structures that have happened to have "evolved" at the same time by coincidence."

Chris, with some exceptions (brain cells NOT among them), all your cells have the same DNA. Any mutations (spontaneous or done by a Designer) that changed our brains would have occurred in the germline, not the brain.

This is elementary high school-level biology, and you clearly don't know it. You're a teacher?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2007,11:53   

Christopher,

I don't think there's much point responding at length to your post.  It's clear to me that you believe what you believe despite the evidence, so further discussion of any evidence would be a waste of time.  (If I'm wrong, perhaps you could give an example of the sort of hypothetical evidence which might change your mind).

I'd like to reassure you about one thing though:

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How about this...if I am wrong and you are right, then it does not matter a whit, or I may come back as a snail, or whatever.

If you're wrong and we're right, I can guarantee that you won't come back as a snail.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2007,11:56   

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I accept dating methods that are corroberated by verifiable history, like dating the mummies.

So how is it that radiometric dating breaks down only when the history is not "verifiable," (and I hope you're not using a tautological definition)?  If "dating the mummies" is an acceptable application, how do you reconcile it with your age of the earth? I believe, subject to correction, that the oldest Egyptian mummies date to about 3000 BCE, or some 5000 years ago.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2007,12:23   

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If we are just animals, then what is the reason to not behave like animals?

Because acting "like animals" gets poor results and everyone knows it.  Whatever your moral foundation, failure to abide by the rules of civilized society quickly gets one cut off from the benefits thereof.  People like to pretend that their "moral" behavior is motivated by some lofty set of objective ideals, but the fact is that people follow moral and ethical standards first and foremost because they realize that that is the best way to achieve access to social and material resources.  If I start "terminating" other people, even assuming that there's some short-term benefit to me, it will quickly result in me being ostracized, hunted, and either eliminated or permanently deprived of access to the things I want.  So why would I?  The few people who do choose that course of action aren't lacking in supervision by a supernatural being, they're mainly just sociopaths.

And where do you get the assumption that anyone w would want to kill others, or that it might necessarily be beneficial to do so?  Sounds to me like you're the immoral pig, restrained only by fear of some omnipotent boogeyman from carrying out your savage impulses.  I would hazard a guess that most or all of the evilutionists on this board share neither your blood lust nor your assumption that there would be something to be gained by indulging in it.

I find it interesting that you not only claim to be interested in science but are a science teacher, yet every time you're asked to address substantive questions about your idiotic assertions, you decline to do so and instead start talking about praying and heaven and crap like that. Don't enter the discussion if you're not willing/able to sustain it.  Clearly you're not.  I'm sorry that you teach young people science or anything else.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2007,12:27   

OOhhhh, that's a good one, Chris.

How is it that the Egyptian Old Kingdom population was 2 million a mere 1,000 years after the creation of the world?

See here.

And how exactly does your accepted date of 5,000 year old mummies correlate with the year of the FLOOD?

Hmmmm.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2007,13:26   

NO ONE ELSE HAS FOUND PINE POLLEN IN THE GRAND CANYON.  Even most creationists conclude that Burdick's samples were contaminated.  That's the most charitable conclusion.

Gentry never even was able to prove that his 'haloes' were from Polonium.  I read his little book because he was affiliated with an institution affiliated with mine.  I was amazed at how shiny he could polish a turd.  To his credit I do believe that he thought he was onto something, and the fact that no one else agreed (sans one senile old gentleman he relies heavily on for justification) should tell you something.  After all, any scientists would love to upset the status quo in any directions (the contrived conspiracy theory he and you suggest is another example of your flawed arguments from consequences).

If Jesus is the only thing keeping you from robbing pillaging raping and killing then by all means keep after it.  But that is a rather sad statement about your own morality and it's a pretty good snapshot of the guilt + cognitive dissonance syndrome that aptly describes modern fundagelicals.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2007,13:38   

CG,

So, and I don’t mean to put words in your mouth, you will accept dating methods that will not point to an earth older than 6000-10000 years.

It seems to be a bit of circular reasoning.  If the dating method can only date 6000-10000 years then you will accept it because it falls into the range of the Biblical age time frame.  If the dating method can date say millions of years, you will not accept it because if falls out of range of Biblical age time frame.

Radiocarbon dating is accurate to 50,000 years and has been cross checked/verified by other dating methods to be accurate.  Your “trace carbon 14 in samples of coal and diamonds” is misrepresented by AIG and other pro-YEC sources to undermine the accuracy of Radiocarbon dating to call into doubt any dating method that does not fit their scenario.

Your argument is disingenuous.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2007,14:12   

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I don't see how it does not follow regarding the death question.  If we are just animals, then what is the reason to not behave like animals?

We already do. We behave like human animals. See Occam's Toothbrush's post above for why that doesn't mean random acts of violence.

Besides. Think of all the things that humans do routinely: lie, cheat, steal, rape, murder, wage war, etc. Judged solely on actions, humans are a lot less moral than many other animals. Behaving like "just animals" would be an improvement!

Rather a sad situation for someone who considers humans to be God's favored creation.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2007,18:21   

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Fossils have been found out of evolutionary sequence. (Pine pollen in lower layers of the Grand Canyon ala Dr. Clifford Burdick who was an evo who switched due to the evidence to a creationist.)

You mean this Burdick?
 
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Burdick has displayed a copy of his Ph.D. from the University of Physical Sciences (Phoenix, Arizona) in Carl Baugh's Glen Rose Creation Evidence Museum. According to Ronald Numbers' The Creationists [2]: "[Creationist Walter Lammerts'] inquiries revealed the University of Physical Science to be nothing more than a registered trademark. As described in its memographed bulletin, 'The University is not an educational institution, but a society of individuals of common interest for the advancement of physical science. There are no campus, professors or tuition fee.'"

from Some Questionable Creationist Credentials (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/credentials.html)

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2007,19:47   

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Junk DNA has been found to be not so.

This is false, Chris.

"Junk DNA" is a provisional term. The people who have discovered function for a TINY FRACTION of "junk" DNA are not creationists. We real scientists predicted that SOME "junk" DNA would turn out to be functional.

The vast majority of "junk" DNA still has no known function.

Tell me: what sort of idiot and/or liar would pretend that because a function was found for SOME "junk" DNA, that we should conclude that the entire "junk" category no longer existed?

Note that I'm not accusing you of idiocy or lying, just being laughably gullible. What does your Bible say about bearing false witness?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2007,06:37   

CG,

Please come back and answer questions about dating methods.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2007,11:58   

Dear oldman...

Any response on the Dawkins questions?

Dear rest of you,

I am insulted that you treat me as some sort of an idiot.  Obviously I do not have any blood lust or have any intention of killing anyone save in self defense or the defense of my family.

And of course I know that mutations have to happen in the germ line for crying out loud.  That still does nothing for shooting down my statement that the spider needs a mutated alteration of its brain to know how to use the newly evolved structure.

What is true is that Hitler had evolution as his basis for exterminating Jews.  One of your own is now claiming that blacks are less evolved that whites. (see the article on the Evolution News & Views website.  So that is what I was refering to when killing you is neither right nor wrong if evol. is true.  If an asteroid or some catastophe from space wipes out the dinosaurs, and is natural, then if I wipe out anytihng I am just as natural as an asteroid, so what's the beef?

A discussion of the pine pollen is here : http://www.rae.org/pollen.html

A listing of young earth evidences is here : http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4005.asp

A discussion of morality is here : http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v24/i3/morality.asp

An evidence for rapid ice build up of the icecaps is here : http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i3/squadron.asp

Look here for numbers of people after the Flood : http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v23/i3/people.asp

As for the origins of things make any difference on how they work now, all you can come up with is obtuse lawn-mower discussions that make no sense.

As for claiming that AIG will not deal with you realistically, then I invite you to give them your best shot and tell them I sent you.  Perhaps you'll be printed in the skeptics letters section.  I caution you to fully research the site and list specific scientific errors or illogical thinking and back them up.  Be concise as you can.

You still have not answered about the spontaneous formation of specified complexity like these sentences I have written.  All the analogies we use to explain the workings of the cell rely on intelligently designed items.  If intelligent design is not true, then the analogies are nonsensical.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2007,12:03   

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One of your own is now claiming that blacks are less evolved that whites.

Are you arguing "one 'evolutionist' made a racist statement, therefore all 'evolutionists' are racists"?  Because if so, do you think we can't dig up a whole pile of racist statements from Christians?

Do you really want to go there?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2007,12:10   

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One of your own is now claiming that blacks are less evolved that whites.

Are you arguing "one 'evolutionist' made a racist statement, therefore all 'evolutionists' are racists"?  Because if so, do you think we can't dig up a whole pile of racist statements from Christians?

Do you really want to go there?

I'm pretty sure he doesn't want too talk to much about anti-Semitism either, his invocation of Hitler notwithstanding.

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