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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2013,11:48   

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To put it shortly and really quite adequately, all ID "methods of design detection" are much worse than science's causal means of determining actual human designs, and succeed at doing only one thing--smearing out the glaring differences between designed objects and life in the worst abuse of reductionism yet known.

Perfect, but too long for use as a sig...

Fixed That For You ! :)  

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I guess this will boil down to something like "even if there are many universes there is only one Priviledged PlanetTM pointing proving  designTM and the Christian GodTM".


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CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2013,15:47   

Thanks to one of Cornelius's dumber threads, we have Eugen (who may or may not be an IDist - I don't have the stomach to read enough to find out) recommending a source of lessons in understanding Japanese in a fucking non-Christian manner, bitch!  

Here's a link to all 78 of the lessons.

Perfect for anyone who wants to run off to Japan and teach English for a living.

Domo Arigato, Mr. Eugen

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2013,10:31   

Uncommon Descent leads with its chin:
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Is Human Intelligence Degenerating?

Uh...

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2013,14:00   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 19 2013,10:31)
Uncommon Descent leads with its chin:
 
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Is Human Intelligence Degenerating?

Uh...

oh, they finally noticed that paper. I took it to pieces last November, and there's a letter in Trends in Genetics making some similar points, but better.

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Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2013,16:33   

Bully makes up for Densey's absence by sticking a glaring typo in his latest thread heading:
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Nick Matzke: All True Scotsman Believe in Darwinian Evolution

UD link

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2013,17:28   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 19 2013,14:33)
Bully makes up for Densey's absence by sticking a glaring typo in his latest thread heading:
 
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Nick Matzke: All True Scotsman Believe in Darwinian Evolution

UD link

Nick Matzke has shown up on that thread.  Arse-kickings are being administered.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2013,17:31   

Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 19 2013,16:28)
Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 19 2013,14:33)
Bully makes up for Densey's absence by sticking a glaring typo in his latest thread heading:
 
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Nick Matzke: All True Scotsman Believe in Darwinian Evolution

UD link

Nick Matzke has shown up on that thread.  Arse-kickings are being administered.

But won't that get him banned from there? ;)

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2013,18:03   

Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 19 2013,15:31)
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Bully makes up for Densey's absence by sticking a glaring typo in his latest thread heading:
   
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Nick Matzke: All True Scotsman Believe in Darwinian Evolution

UD link

Nick Matzke has shown up on that thread.  Arse-kickings are being administered.

But won't that get him banned from there? ;)

Probably, although for some reason they cut him more slack than most.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2013,18:09   

I have to give Barry credit for including this quote from Tour:

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I have been labeled as an Intelligent Design (ID) proponent. I am not. I do not know how to use science to prove intelligent design although some others might. I am sympathetic to the arguments on the matter and I find some of them intriguing, but the scientific proof is not there, in my opinion. So I prefer to be free of that ID label. Blaise Pascal (1623-1662, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki....ascal), one of the finest scientists, mathematicians and inventors that the world has ever enjoyed, and also among the most well-respected and deepest thinking Christian apologists, wrote in his Pensees 463, “It is a remarkable fact that no canonical [biblical] author has ever used nature to prove God. They all try to make people believe in him. David, Solomon, etc., never said: ‘There is no such thing as a vacuum, therefore God exists.’ They must have been cleverer than the cleverest of their successors, all of whom have used proofs from nature.


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Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2013,19:42   

Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 20 2013,11:03)
     
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Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 19 2013,16:28)
       
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Bully makes up for Densey's absence by sticking a glaring typo in his latest thread heading:
         
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Nick Matzke: All True Scotsman Believe in Darwinian Evolution

UD link

Nick Matzke has shown up on that thread.  Arse-kickings are being administered.

But won't that get him banned from there? ;)

Probably, although for some reason they cut him more slack than most.

The reason would be his credentials, in my opinion. Mike Elzinga has noticed this over at TSZ, noting:
   
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This is ID/creationist heaven; getting a free ride on the back of a scientist who is willing to confront them, and then putting on pretentious airs that they are engaging in erudite refutations of the scientist without ever having a clue about what the scientist is saying.

Edited to fix url. Twice.

Edited by Ptaylor on Feb. 20 2013,13:39

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Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2013,19:47   

Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 20 2013,10:28)
 
Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 19 2013,14:33)
Bully makes up for Densey's absence by sticking a glaring typo in his latest thread heading:
     
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Nick Matzke: All True Scotsman Believe in Darwinian Evolution

UD link

Nick Matzke has shown up on that thread.  Arse-kickings are being administered.

Yes, but in true Schlaflyesque fashion they don't even notice!

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2013,20:55   

When it comes to biology Dr. Tour is a real dumbfuck.  Instead of reading his Bible every morning he should be reading Wikipedia articles on biology.  Then he could possibly just maybe become less of a dumbfuck about biology.

I'm a chemist, too, Dr. Tour, and to you I say Fuck You, you Dumb Shit!  Man to man, that is.  Respectfully.

Tour is known at Rice for his Bible thumping and has had some problems with graduate students who are not the thumping kind, but managed to avoid administrative entanglements.  

Tour's exposition on "microevolution" and "macroevolution" is especially childish and uninformed and, of course, wrong.  That's what gripes me the most.  Tours is a lazy bastard who hasn't taken the time to learn about the subject he talks about.  Fucking waste of breath, Tours is.  And a liar.  That's the worst part.  Delusional liar for Jesus.  On a crutch.

  
Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2013,23:58   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 20 2013,13:55)
When it comes to biology Dr. Tour is a real dumbfuck.  Instead of reading his Bible every morning he should be reading Wikipedia articles on biology.  Then he could possibly just maybe become less of a dumbfuck about biology.

I'm a chemist, too, Dr. Tour, and to you I say Fuck You, you Dumb Shit!  Man to man, that is.  Respectfully.

Tour is known at Rice for his Bible thumping and has had some problems with graduate students who are not the thumping kind, but managed to avoid administrative entanglements.  

Tour's exposition on "microevolution" and "macroevolution" is especially childish and uninformed and, of course, wrong.  That's what gripes me the most.  Tours is a lazy bastard who hasn't taken the time to learn about the subject he talks about.  Fucking waste of breath, Tours is.  And a liar.  That's the worst part.  Delusional liar for Jesus.  On a crutch.

So... you're saying you don't think highly of him?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,04:08   

Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 19 2013,23:28)
 
Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 19 2013,14:33)
Bully makes up for Densey's absence by sticking a glaring typo in his latest thread heading:
   
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Nick Matzke: All True Scotsman Believe in Darwinian Evolution

UD link

Nick Matzke has shown up on that thread.  Arse-kickings are being administered.

They are convinced they are the ones doing the kicking. The organic-chemistry basis of macroevolution? Really? And the babbling bozos are fine with that as a demand?

I'm off to find out what quantum physics can tell me about brain surgery. It is, after all, all about atoms.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,06:33   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Feb. 20 2013,12:08)
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Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 19 2013,14:33)
Bully makes up for Densey's absence by sticking a glaring typo in his latest thread heading:
     
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Nick Matzke: All True Scotsman Believe in Darwinian Evolution

UD link

Nick Matzke has shown up on that thread.  Arse-kickings are being administered.

They are convinced they are the ones doing the kicking. The organic-chemistry basis of macroevolution? Really? And the babbling bozos are fine with that as a demand?

I'm off to find out what quantum physics can tell me about brain surgery. It is, after all, all about atoms.

ha ha you are very funny man





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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,11:03   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 19 2013,20:55)
When it comes to biology Dr. Tour is a real dumbfuck.  Instead of reading his Bible every morning he should be reading Wikipedia articles on biology.  Then he could possibly just maybe become less of a dumbfuck about biology.

I'm a chemist, too, Dr. Tour, and to you I say Fuck You, you Dumb Shit!  Man to man, that is.  Respectfully.

Tour is known at Rice for his Bible thumping and has had some problems with graduate students who are not the thumping kind, but managed to avoid administrative entanglements.  

Tour's exposition on "microevolution" and "macroevolution" is especially childish and uninformed and, of course, wrong.  That's what gripes me the most.  Tours is a lazy bastard who hasn't taken the time to learn about the subject he talks about.  Fucking waste of breath, Tours is.  And a liar.  That's the worst part.  Delusional liar for Jesus.  On a crutch.

I am willing to cut Tour a little slack, since Tour realizes he is not an expert.  Right at the top of his essay he says

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Assuming that I have something significant to contribute to the evolution vs. creation debate, many ask me to speak and write concerning my thoughts on the topic. However, I do not have anything substantive to say about it. I am a layman on the subject. Although I have read about a half dozen books on the debate, maybe a dozen, and though I can speak authoritatively on complex chemical synthesis, I am not qualified to enter the public discussion on evolution vs. creation. So please don’t ask me to be the speaker or debater at your event, and think carefully about asking me for an interview because I will probably not give you the profound quotations that you seek. You are of course free to quote me from what is written here, but do me the kindness of placing my statements in a fair context.


However, Torley wants to take Tour's opinions as informed (argument by authority) since Tour is a highly published chemist, when Tour himself will not.  I guess Torley knows better than Tour.  LOL.

Since last Lent, I have gone to UD only four times.  I am doing pretty good, and this was worth falling off the wagon for.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,13:18   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 19 2013,20:42)
Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 20 2013,11:03)
     
Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 19 2013,15:31)
       
Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 19 2013,16:28)
       
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Bully makes up for Densey's absence by sticking a glaring typo in his latest thread heading:
           
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Nick Matzke: All True Scotsman Believe in Darwinian Evolution

UD link

Nick Matzke has shown up on that thread.  Arse-kickings are being administered.

But won't that get him banned from there? ;)

Probably, although for some reason they cut him more slack than most.

The reason would be his credentials, in my opinion. Mike Elzinga has noticed this over at TSZ, noting:
   
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This is ID/creationist heaven; getting a free ride on the back of a scientist who is willing to confront them, and then putting on pretentious airs that they are engaging in erudite refutations of the scientist without ever having a clue about what the scientist is saying.

Edited to fix url. Twice.

I suspect there is some validity to Mike Elzinga's view.  However, one thing I observed when I used to read UD was that they always allow one or two reality-based commenters to keep the volume up.

I doubt that this is a deliberate choice on the part of the moderators since that would require a level of intelligence they haven't demonstrated otherwise.  I suspect this simply evolved (irony intended) as they found that allowing too many such participants made it impossible for even the regulars to ignore how badly the ID arguments were being demolished, but having too few was equally damaging to their cause as it gave kairosfocus, bornagain77, et al. time to really bring their irrational, ignorant, anti-science rhetorical stew to a rolling boil.

If any rational socks appear, Nick's days will be numbered.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,14:21   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 19 2013,19:42)
 
Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 20 2013,11:03)
         
Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 19 2013,15:31)
         
Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 19 2013,16:28)
           
Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 19 2013,14:33)
Bully makes up for Densey's absence by sticking a glaring typo in his latest thread heading:
             
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Nick Matzke: All True Scotsman Believe in Darwinian Evolution

UD link

Nick Matzke has shown up on that thread.  Arse-kickings are being administered.

But won't that get him banned from there? ;)

Probably, although for some reason they cut him more slack than most.

The reason would be his credentials, in my opinion. Mike Elzinga has noticed this over at TSZ, noting:
       
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This is ID/creationist heaven; getting a free ride on the back of a scientist who is willing to confront them, and then putting on pretentious airs that they are engaging in erudite refutations of the scientist without ever having a clue about what the scientist is saying.

Edited to fix url. Twice.

Well, credentials especially as these relate to Nick's ability to be heard elsewhere complaining about how closed-minded UD is.  

That's not just an issue of credentials, however, as Nick has connections that could also help to bring criticism down upon UD's habit of censoring dissent.

Patrick's right, too, that they like to have someone else in what is otherwise their echo chamber.  It gives the illusion of some tolerance, and they can repeat their garbage to Nick and feel as if they've made a meaningful rebuttal.

Yet the question to be asked after that would still be, why Nick?  Almost certainly it's back to the fact that Nick has much more ability to publicize their censorship than do most of the rest of us.

Glen Davidson

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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,14:36   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ Feb. 20 2013,12:21)
Yet the question to be asked after that would still be, why Nick?  Almost certainly it's back to the fact that Nick has much more ability to publicize their censorship than do most of the rest of us.

Nick is also civil, both at UD and elsewhere.  I don't think known poo-flingers* like Coyne or Myers would ever be allowed in.


* Not perjorative, in this context.  If ever anyone deserved to be on the wrong end of a poo-flinging, it's Barry, Gord, Corny, Torley, Mung...

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,15:22   

didn't PZ say he tried to comment once and davetard sent him a manban with a love note like "You've got to be kidding"

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,16:09   

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Feb. 20 2013,11:03)
Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 19 2013,20:55)
When it comes to biology Dr. Tour is a real dumbfuck.  Instead of reading his Bible every morning he should be reading Wikipedia articles on biology.  Then he could possibly just maybe become less of a dumbfuck about biology.

I'm a chemist, too, Dr. Tour, and to you I say Fuck You, you Dumb Shit!  Man to man, that is.  Respectfully.

Tour is known at Rice for his Bible thumping and has had some problems with graduate students who are not the thumping kind, but managed to avoid administrative entanglements.  

Tour's exposition on "microevolution" and "macroevolution" is especially childish and uninformed and, of course, wrong.  That's what gripes me the most.  Tours is a lazy bastard who hasn't taken the time to learn about the subject he talks about.  Fucking waste of breath, Tours is.  And a liar.  That's the worst part.  Delusional liar for Jesus.  On a crutch.

I am willing to cut Tour a little slack, since Tour realizes he is not an expert.  Right at the top of his essay he says

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Assuming that I have something significant to contribute to the evolution vs. creation debate, many ask me to speak and write concerning my thoughts on the topic. However, I do not have anything substantive to say about it. I am a layman on the subject. Although I have read about a half dozen books on the debate, maybe a dozen, and though I can speak authoritatively on complex chemical synthesis, I am not qualified to enter the public discussion on evolution vs. creation. So please don’t ask me to be the speaker or debater at your event, and think carefully about asking me for an interview because I will probably not give you the profound quotations that you seek. You are of course free to quote me from what is written here, but do me the kindness of placing my statements in a fair context.


However, Torley wants to take Tour's opinions as informed (argument by authority) since Tour is a highly published chemist, when Tour himself will not.  I guess Torley knows better than Tour.  LOL.

Since last Lent, I have gone to UD only four times.  I am doing pretty good, and this was worth falling off the wagon for.

No, I'm not cutting Tour any slack.  He's going to "pull a Behe" on Matzke by demanding to see every chemical change, and the conditions and etc infinitum.

Tour is a smart guy but he's a lying creationist like all creationists.  He sounds like FL:  show me the steps of whale evolution.  Every creationist pulls the same dishonest stunt:  show me the proof of evolution.

Tell you what, Tour, why don't you get off your lazy ass and read up on the subject.  Hell, I've got a copy of Coyne and Orr's book on Speciation.  I'll drive it to your house.

Yes, I read Tour's pathetic disclaimer that he doesn't know much about the subject and then waded through his childish pout that nobody ever sat down with him over lunch to explain the chemistry of evolution.  So, let's see, Tour thinks this could be done in 90 minutes - including some insightful interruptions - and yet he's spent years, decades doing NOTHING until this miraculous event occurs.

Can't wait for Nick's report!  I'll even provide the Subject title:  Tour Pulls a Behe!

(and that's how I really feel!)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,16:12   

Oh, if you haven't read, Nick's coming to Houston to have lunch with Tour, change his diaper or whatever.  Should be entertaining.

BTW, I've eaten at the Rice faculty dining room and it is quite excellent.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,16:34   

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Oh, if you haven't read, Nick's coming to Houston to have lunch with Tour, change his diaper or whatever.  Should be entertaining.

BTW, I've eaten at the Rice faculty dining room and it is quite excellent.

As long as they don't let Dembski in.  Gotta have some standards.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,16:49   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 20 2013,14:09)
No, I'm not cutting Tour any slack.  He's going to "pull a Behe" on Matzke by demanding to see every chemical change, and the conditions and etc infinitum.

Tour is a smart guy but he's a lying creationist like all creationists.  He sounds like FL:  show me the steps of whale evolution.  Every creationist pulls the same dishonest stunt:  show me the proof of evolution.

Tell you what, Tour, why don't you get off your lazy ass and read up on the subject.  Hell, I've got a copy of Coyne and Orr's book on Speciation.  I'll drive it to your house.

Yes, I read Tour's pathetic disclaimer that he doesn't know much about the subject and then waded through his childish pout that nobody ever sat down with him over lunch to explain the chemistry of evolution.  So, let's see, Tour thinks this could be done in 90 minutes - including some insightful interruptions - and yet he's spent years, decades doing NOTHING until this miraculous event occurs.

Can't wait for Nick's report!  I'll even provide the Subject title:  Tour Pulls a Behe!

(and that's how I really feel!)

Yes, it looks like the same old nonsense: set up a ridiculous burden of proof (all chemical processes underpinning evolution; mutation-by-mutation history back to the Precambrian; name, address and phone number of LUCA, etc.), with Poof!
as the alternative hypothesis.  Seen it all before.  Will no doubt see it again.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,18:37   

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No, I'm not cutting Tour any slack.  He's going to "pull a Behe" on Matzke by demanding to see every chemical change, and the conditions and etc infinitum.


That's just it, don't accept the enormous evidence that non-magical evolution occurred, you have to be able to rule out any tweaking by Designer, which Designer just happens to be exactly like the de facto Xian God, not doing anything spectacular, just fixing the game for the best prayers, or facilitating evolution.  Yeah Behe, tell us about the aliens that tweak evolution for billions of years--you're not the slightest bit wedded to a certain kind of God (not that the hypocrite doesn't complain about scientists ruling out magic when the speeches are to the Christers, though--I've heard that whine personally).

Nothing else has to reach that burden of proof for these lying hounds (not YECs, to be sure), of course.  Evidence for even unlikely astronomical events is evidence for physics-based causes, while evolution has to be poofed unless you can show every last step.

Denton's partly to blame for Behe's idiocy, probably for Tour's as well--though possibly through Behe and other mindless dolts.  Denton claimed that we know the Germanic languages diverged and evolved because we knew every last change, not for the true reason, that we simply had the nested hierarchy of relatedness that indicated such change.  BS through and through, but Denton influenced a whole lot of these morons (oh, you can't say "moron" at Pharyngula any more without puritans whining, either), apparently setting the "standards" of IDiocy for a lot of the head IDiots.  That's all it really takes, moving the goalposts to an absurd and unprecedented degree--you only have to rule out supernatural tweaking, something impossible anywhere and everywhere.

It's stupendous stupidity, but they can only see that we don't meet their demands.  So unreasonable of us, we must be extremely closed-minded.  It only takes a closed mind to recognize this in those who are not (not that we don't have closed minds on our side, we just happen to have practically all reasonably science-educated open minds on the question).

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,21:30   

The bottom line is that Tour is full of shit and needs to be called out on it.  He's lazy for not doing the basic literature research he'd demand of his graduate students, probably because he's religiously delusional.

No respect for his "opinions" on biological evolution because he's a liar with his own agenda.  

At least Nick will have a good meal!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,23:15   

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Oddly enough, not all scientists agree with the proposal that examples of microevolution offer support for macroevolution. See here: Do Examples of “Microevolution” Provide Support for Macroevolution? (I assume the quotes are legit.)

The link goes to the Creation Science Association of British Columbia.  

A painting at the top of the page shows a little girl playing with a dinosaur on the left, Noah's ark floating in the middle and Indiana Jones doing something on the right.

The five quotations that Dr. Torley assumes are legit have twelve ellipses between them.

I wish he had a lot of money.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2013,00:48   

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The link goes to the Creation Science Association of British Columbia.  

Oh fuck I was really hoping we didn't have one of those.

Sorry.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2013,14:40   

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Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 20 2013,21:15)
The link goes to the Creation Science Association of British Columbia.  

Oh fuck I was really hoping we didn't have one of those.

Sorry.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2013,06:10   

Tour, on his intended behaviour during lunch:      
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and I won’t argue with you until I don’t understand something [...]

A generous offer not to argue himself out of a position of understanding. Or only to argue about things he doesn't understand. Or did I misinterpret? {Whistle}.

I wish I'd known about this lunch offer. I'd roll up, draw a cladogram on a napkin with the word EVOLUTION double-underlined beneath it, and then set to stuffing my fat face.

Edited by Soapy Sam on Feb. 22 2013,12:11

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