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Timothy McDougald



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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2010,18:52   

How to challenge the consensus view and not be thought a quack
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In the study, U-M evolutionary biologist Jianzhi "George" Zhang and colleagues Ben-Yang Liao and Meng-Pin Weng set out to systematically test a hypothesis proposed by molecular biologist Sean Carroll in 2005. Carroll posited that changes in morphology (such things as shape, color and structure of external and internal parts) occur through different genetic mechanisms than changes in physiology (inner workings). Carroll backed up his assertion with examples, but the idea, which challenged previous dogma, was controversial, Zhang said.


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FrankH



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(Permalink) Posted: April 08 2010,07:04   

Quote (afarensis @ April 07 2010,18:52)
How to challenge the consensus view and not be thought a quack
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In the study, U-M evolutionary biologist Jianzhi "George" Zhang and colleagues Ben-Yang Liao and Meng-Pin Weng set out to systematically test a hypothesis proposed by molecular biologist Sean Carroll in 2005. Carroll posited that changes in morphology (such things as shape, color and structure of external and internal parts) occur through different genetic mechanisms than changes in physiology (inner workings). Carroll backed up his assertion with examples, but the idea, which challenged previous dogma, was controversial, Zhang said.

Wow, in other words produce the work and show the evidence that backs up you claim instead of claiming something and expecting others to:

A:  Fall in line

or

B:  PROVE you're wrong (but of course you're right until they prove it)

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2010,13:29   

http://www.webelements.com/

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Element 117 discovered?

A paper just accepted for publication (5 April 2010) in Physical Review Letters by Yu. Ts. Oganessian and others claims the synthesis of a new element with atomic number 117. The abstract states "The discovery of a new chemical element with atomic

number Z=117 is reported. The isotopes 293 117 and 294 117 were produced in fusion reactions between 48 Ca and 249 Bk.

[...]

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2010,23:03   

SETI / Evolution:

http://www.cnn.com/2010....?hpt=C1

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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2010,06:26   

Neanderthal genes may still be found in modern humans.

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2010,07:34   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ April 21 2010,04:26)
Neanderthal genes may still be found in modern humans.

Wow.

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dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2010,12:05   

Evolved Self Replication
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Abstract

Cellular automata models have historically been a major approach to studying the information-processing properties of self-replication. Here we explore the feasibility of adopting genetic programming so that, when it is given a fairly arbitrary initial cellular automata configuration, it will automatically generate a set of rules that make the given configuration replicate. We found that this approach works surprisingly effectively for structures as large as 50 components or more. The replication mechanisms discovered by genetic programming work quite differently than those of many past manually designed replicators: There is no identifiable instruction sequence or construction arm, the replicating structures generally translate and rotate as they reproduce, and they divide via a fissionlike process that involves highly parallel operations. This makes replication very fast, and one cannot identify which descendant is the parent and which is the child. The ability to automatically generate self-replicating structures in this fashion allowed us to examine the resulting replicators as their properties were systematically varied. Further, it proved possible to produce replicators that simultaneously deposited secondary structures while replicating, as in some past manually designed models. We conclude that genetic programming is a powerful tool for studying self-replication that might also be profitably used in contexts other than cellular spaces.


Self replication in a way that even genius humans never thought of.

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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2010,17:04   

The latest issue of Science has a nice paper that demonstrates the principle, unknown to IDiots, that a new functionality can be generated by a loss of "information". Nakagawa et al. demonstrate that the enzyme known as "dicer", which is normally a ribonuclease, is converted by proteolysis to become a DNA-degrading enzyme during apoptosis. Mammalian cells have a DNAase that is used during apoptosis; this study was done in the nematode Caenorhabditis elegans, which does not have a homologous DNAase.

New functions generated by loss of protein "information"!

I'm sure that Casey will be covering this on EN&V quite soon.

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2010,18:25   

New Caledonian crow uses three different tools in succession to retrieve food.

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REC



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(Permalink) Posted: April 27 2010,17:11   

Carl Zimmer writes on deep homology and medicine:

"The scientists took advantage of a peculiar feature of our evolutionary history. In our distant, amoeba-like ancestors, clusters of genes were already forming to work together on building cell walls and on other very basic tasks essential to life. Many of those genes still work together in those same clusters, over a billion years later, but on different tasks in different organisms. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2010....ted=all

Original Report here:

http://www.pnas.org/content/107/14/6544.long

"Biologists have long used model organisms to study human diseases, particularly when the model bears a close resemblance to the disease. We present a method that quantitatively and systematically identifies nonobvious equivalences between mutant phenotypes in different species, based on overlapping sets of orthologous genes from human, mouse, yeast, worm, and plant (212,542 gene-phenotype associations). These orthologous phenotypes, or phenologs, predict unique genes associated with diseases. Our method suggests a yeast model for angiogenesis defects, a worm model for breast cancer, mouse models of autism, and a plant model for the neural crest defects associated with Waardenburg syndrome, among others."

  
OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: April 29 2010,08:25   

Two good ones ripe to beat IDistsists over the head with:

Alaskan Megaflood - unfortunately for YECs it was 17,000 years ago and caused by a lake breaking through an ice dam.  But still, 1400 cubic km of water is a lot... even if it didn't rain.

How mathematics and evolution should work together - "Building on classical competition models for single traits, they designed their mathematical theory to gauge the evolutionary impact of multiple traits in concert, and found that adding this layer of complexity significantly lowered the threshold for the maintenance of diversity and the evolution of new species."


Both are layman articles with links to the original research papers.

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ppb



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(Permalink) Posted: April 29 2010,08:48   

Quote (OgreMkV @ April 29 2010,09:25)
Alaskan Megaflood - unfortunately for YECs it was 17,000 years ago and caused by a lake breaking through an ice dam.  But still, 1400 cubic km of water is a lot... even if it didn't rain.

Hey, the picture in the article is of Wasilla, Alaska.  
Sarah Palin could see The Flood from her house.

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Paul Flocken



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2010,08:21   

I have to get my science from the popular media, so this may be old hat to all of you, but it is really cool to me.
Horizontal Gene Transfer in Pea Aphids

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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2010,15:20   

One of the unanticipated joys of being a department head is the sporadic arrival of screamingly hilarious scientific "papers" that arrive in the mailbox. Papers announcing cures for cancer, theories of everything, and other non-peer-reviewed manuscripts are a regular occurrence for me these days.

Today's mail brought something that could have been written by the love child of AFDave and Denyse O'Leary, if that love child had been raised on another planet and with some horizontal gene transfer from Bobby Byers and FL. I've put a PDF version of it here; enjoy it in lieu of the regular Friday meltdown. I particularly love the fact that the writer claims to have a BA in Biology from Brown University. Maybe Ken Miller knows him!

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Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind
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To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2010,15:45   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ April 30 2010,15:20)
One of the unanticipated joys of being a department head is the sporadic arrival of screamingly hilarious scientific "papers" that arrive in the mailbox. Papers announcing cures for cancer, theories of everything, and other non-peer-reviewed manuscripts are a regular occurrence for me these days.

Today's mail brought something that could have been written by the love child of AFDave and Denyse O'Leary, if that love child had been raised on another planet and with some horizontal gene transfer from Bobby Byers and FL. I've put a PDF version of it here; enjoy it in lieu of the regular Friday meltdown. I particularly love the fact that the writer claims to have a BA in Biology from Brown University. Maybe Ken Miller knows him!

Could be the best paper ever. Up there with "Time Cube".

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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2010,15:53   

Quote (Henry J @ April 12 2010,13:29)
http://www.webelements.com/

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Element 117 discovered?

A paper just accepted for publication (5 April 2010) in Physical Review Letters by Yu. Ts. Oganessian and others claims the synthesis of a new element with atomic number 117. The abstract states "The discovery of a new chemical element with atomic

number Z=117 is reported. The isotopes 293 117 and 294 117 were produced in fusion reactions between 48 Ca and 249 Bk.

[...]

Used that in my general chemistry exam - how many neutrons were produced?

I wonder if any of CSI whizzes can calculate even that.

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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2010,15:54   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ April 22 2010,17:04)
The latest issue of Science has a nice paper that demonstrates the principle, unknown to IDiots, that a new functionality can be generated by a loss of "information". Nakagawa et al. demonstrate that the enzyme known as "dicer", which is normally a ribonuclease, is converted by proteolysis to become a DNA-degrading enzyme during apoptosis. Mammalian cells have a DNAase that is used during apoptosis; this study was done in the nematode Caenorhabditis elegans, which does not have a homologous DNAase.

New functions generated by loss of protein "information"!

I'm sure that Casey will be covering this on EN&V quite soon.

It is just microdicing.

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Badger3k



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2010,19:16   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ April 30 2010,15:20)
One of the unanticipated joys of being a department head is the sporadic arrival of screamingly hilarious scientific "papers" that arrive in the mailbox. Papers announcing cures for cancer, theories of everything, and other non-peer-reviewed manuscripts are a regular occurrence for me these days.

Today's mail brought something that could have been written by the love child of AFDave and Denyse O'Leary, if that love child had been raised on another planet and with some horizontal gene transfer from Bobby Byers and FL. I've put a PDF version of it here; enjoy it in lieu of the regular Friday meltdown. I particularly love the fact that the writer claims to have a BA in Biology from Brown University. Maybe Ken Miller knows him!

Holy crap, warn a guy first!  My roommate nearly died of shock, and if I hadn't started to read with my eyelashes, I'd be dead, or believe in ID.   Or think that O'Leary makes sense.

Anyway, you owe me a new camera.  Send it through the intertubes.  I'll have my ear to the wire until I hear it.  Unless....do sin proteins wait in the ear as well?  I didn't get that far!

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2010,19:41   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ April 30 2010,13:20)
One of the unanticipated joys of being a department head is the sporadic arrival of screamingly hilarious scientific "papers" that arrive in the mailbox. Papers announcing cures for cancer, theories of everything, and other non-peer-reviewed manuscripts are a regular occurrence for me these days.

Today's mail brought something that could have been written by the love child of AFDave and Denyse O'Leary, if that love child had been raised on another planet and with some horizontal gene transfer from Bobby Byers and FL. I've put a PDF version of it here; enjoy it in lieu of the regular Friday meltdown. I particularly love the fact that the writer claims to have a BA in Biology from Brown University. Maybe Ken Miller knows him!

That's what Mary Baker Eddy's "Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures" always looked like to me.

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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2010,20:48   

Quote (Badger3k @ April 30 2010,19:16)
Holy crap, warn a guy first!  My roommate nearly died of shock, and if I hadn't started to read with my eyelashes, I'd be dead, or believe in ID.   Or think that O'Leary makes sense.

Anyway, you owe me a new camera.  Send it through the intertubes.  I'll have my ear to the wire until I hear it.  Unless....do sin proteins wait in the ear as well?  I didn't get that far!

Sorry about your roommate. I was reading it out loud to one of the folks in my office and she was laughing so hard I thought she might pee. I think it was the part about the observation that "people that form melanin need to take a chewable flintstone vitamin" to "elevate the cyclic ring in the brain". I was gonna ask Louis about that, but I think he's asleep over there in Albion...

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2010,22:14   

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Used that in my general chemistry exam - how many neutrons were produced?

I wonder if any of CSI whizzes can calculate even that.

I've no idea what a CSI whiz might do, but I figure that the 294 isotope left 3 neutrons unclaimed, and the 293 left 4.

But in a general chemistry test? I wouldn't have expected chemistry class to bother with elements of which only a few atoms have momentarily existed, during physics experiments.

Henry

  
Reed



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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2010,02:43   

Another mammoth challenge to the Darwinist paradigm.

  
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2010,09:37   

Quote (Reed @ May 03 2010,00:43)
Another mammoth challenge to the Darwinist paradigm.

So i wonder if the genetic deterioration that led to the loss of this low-temperature haemoglobin happened after Teh Fall, or just after Teh Flood?

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2010,16:22   

Quote (afarensis @ April 07 2010,18:52)
How to challenge the consensus view and not be thought a quack
   
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In the study, U-M evolutionary biologist Jianzhi "George" Zhang and colleagues Ben-Yang Liao and Meng-Pin Weng set out to systematically test a hypothesis proposed by molecular biologist Sean Carroll in 2005. Carroll posited that changes in morphology (such things as shape, color and structure of external and internal parts) occur through different genetic mechanisms than changes in physiology (inner workings). Carroll backed up his assertion with examples, but the idea, which challenged previous dogma, was controversial, Zhang said.

Lovely, and to think that this was not predicted by ID?

I've got to say this, ToE still continues to surprise and amaze me every day. After pondering for years about a pathway for the evolution of the human larynx - and speech, I realized on rereading Jeffrey K. McKee's "The Riddled Chain" that bipedalism/upright stance must have been the trigger.

Fascinating work on computer simulations too.

Isn't science wonderful?

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2010,15:24   

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi....1188021

A Draft Sequence of the Neandertal Genome

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2010,17:06   

Quote (midwifetoad @ May 06 2010,15:24)
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi....1188021

A Draft Sequence of the Neandertal Genome

I looked, and I looked, but no Dembski, Behe, Wells or  other IDer could I find.  No doubt, the Evil Darwinist Truth, Not Fantasy Cabal is still in action.

However, I did find this link too, and I see that some of your ancestors got lucky...

Some Homos Got Lucky

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Timothy McDougald



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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2010,19:08   

Quote (J-Dog @ May 06 2010,17:06)
Quote (midwifetoad @ May 06 2010,15:24)
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi....1188021

A Draft Sequence of the Neandertal Genome

I looked, and I looked, but no Dembski, Behe, Wells or  other IDer could I find.  No doubt, the Evil Darwinist Truth, Not Fantasy Cabal is still in action.

However, I did find this link too, and I see that some of your ancestors got lucky...

Some Homos Got Lucky

ALL RIGHT, LISTEN UP 'CAUSE I'M TALKING! ALTHOUGH ALL THE NEANDERBABES BEGGED TO HAVE MY CHILDREN i REFUSED BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE GEICO COMMERCIALS NEANDERBABES IS UGLIER THAN INUIT WOMEN SO i SAVED MY HAPLOID DIPLOID HOUSEBOAT COMMANDOS FOR BILL!!!111!1! SO IT WASN'T ME, HOMOS dt

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Church burning ebola boy

FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me.

PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

   
Reed



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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2010,19:13   

Quote (midwifetoad @ May 06 2010,13:24)
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi....1188021

A Draft Sequence of the Neandertal Genome

As usual, John Hawks has some interesting commentary.

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2010,20:13   

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I looked, and I looked, but no Dembski, Behe, Wells or  other IDer could I find.


ID performance is measured in zettaflops.

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2010,21:10   

Quote (afarensis @ May 06 2010,19:08)
ALL RIGHT, LISTEN UP 'CAUSE I'M TALKING! ALTHOUGH ALL THE NEANDERBABES BEGGED TO HAVE MY CHILDREN i REFUSED BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE GEICO COMMERCIALS NEANDERBABES IS UGLIER THAN INUIT WOMEN SO i SAVED MY HAPLOID DIPLOID HOUSEBOAT COMMANDOS FOR BILL!!!111!1! SO IT WASN'T ME, HOMOS dt


Beautiful sentiments, artfully expressed!  I can almost hear the Cheesy Poofs crunching in the background. (Snif & sob for The Old Days)...

Do you want your Post Of Teh Week Award sent to your houseboat in TX, or your Rift Valley Ranch?

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