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oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2007,03:11    Dembski's found yet another tenous link to ID that he can use to push his notapology further down the page:   Quote interesting article in Tuesday’s NYTimes on digital forensics — especially as it applies to scientists who doctor their images and data. It would be interesting to see how much (or how little) “evolutionary evidence” can withstand the scrutiny of digital forensics Interesting that Dembski projects his dishonestly onto the entire reality based scientific community. Sure, there is dishonesty, as there is in every competitive field but I bet Dembski thinks everybody is lying and that all the evidence for evolution has been faked. Strange, as the article itself is about photo manipulation. What does Dembski think this has to do with ID exactly apart from it potentially being the think that'll blow the Darwinist conspiracy out of the water? The article itself says   Quote We look at digital media — images, audio and video — and we try to ascertain whether or not they’ve been manipulated. In fact, it appears to have nothing whatsoever to do with evolution, never mind ID! In the comments dave557 makes it clear he wants a bannin!   Quote the point of ID is that it points to a designer. From there we look to the Bible for information on the nature of the designer and the methods employed by the designer. Interestingly, what else does ID actually tell us besides inferring a higher power? Dembski, the rubes are getting confused. Straighten them out! -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2007,04:41    Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 04 2007,17:37) Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 04 2007,22:35) Ugh. Having discovered that regardless of supposed rules, the nurses won't kick you out immediately at 9 pm, I've been spending even more time at the hospital. I feel like you guys are having all the fun without me. Please continue. I'm glad we're not in the early days of the thread when I felt like I needed to give it the occasional boost to keep it going. My friend's being transferred to Ohio on Monday and my free time will be back to normal, but I think I might run out of gas before then. Good luck, chief. Regards to friend. Yes, Steve, best wishes for a speedy as possible return to health for your friend.

GCT Posts: 1001 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2007,08:45    Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 04 2007,23:35) Ugh. Having discovered that regardless of supposed rules, the nurses won't kick you out immediately at 9 pm, I've been spending even more time at the hospital. I feel like you guys are having all the fun without me. Please continue. I'm glad we're not in the early days of the thread when I felt like I needed to give it the occasional boost to keep it going. My friend's being transferred to Ohio on Monday and my free time will be back to normal, but I think I might run out of gas before then. Don't worry, we're holding down the fort for ya while you're gone.  Take care of yourself and I hope your friend gets better.

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2007,10:12    Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 04 2007,21:35) Ugh. Having discovered that regardless of supposed rules, the nurses won't kick you out immediately at 9 pm, I've been spending even more time at the hospital. I feel like you guys are having all the fun without me. Please continue. I'm glad we're not in the early days of the thread when I felt like I needed to give it the occasional boost to keep it going. My friend's being transferred to Ohio on Monday and my free time will be back to normal, but I think I might run out of gas before then. *Blows kisses* Take care. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Rob Posts: 154 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2007,11:07    Steve, best of luck to your friend.  Don't let this board take your time away from him.  ID will still be here when you get back.  Unfortunately. -------------- -- Rob, the fartist formerly known as 2ndclass

lkeithlu Posts: 321 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2007,11:17    Hope your friend recovers quickly. Take care of yourself too.

Bebbo Posts: 161 Joined: Dec. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2007,13:59    Why is it Dense O'Leary always finishes her posts with links to off-topic things and something to do with her latest book: http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....re-2715

GCT Posts: 1001 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2007,14:28    Quote (Bebbo @ Oct. 05 2007,14:59) Why is it Dense O'Leary always finishes her posts with links to off-topic things and something to do with her latest book: http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....re-2715 Well, if you are in it for the book sales...

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2007,14:33    Quote (Bebbo @ Oct. 05 2007,11:59) Why is it Dense O'Leary always finishes her posts with links to off-topic things and something to do with her latest book: http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....re-2715 D'Oh and the gang pontificating on quantum mechanics?  This is going to be good... ... and right on cue, along comes batshit77 with the first comment:     Quote I believe in the Theistic interpretation for quantum mechanics, which states that the Infinite and Perfect Mind of God is ultimately in control of every quantum event in the universe, thus God retains His sovereignty and His omnipotence is retained How very evidence-based.  I believe in the theistic interpretation of horse-racing myself.   Later, jerry wonders if we have ever really looked at our hands:   Quote Side question. Is there a number big enough to count the number of new universes formed every nano second? Remember since the big bank the number of universes have been expanding geometrically every nano second. So a whole lot of universes have been accumulating. Interesting typo.  I thought "the big bank" was where Dr Dr Dembski puts the money he took from the punters. And batshit77 returns with some exciting developments in mathematics: Quote 10^150 minus 10^9 equals 10^141 This is one of the richest seams the tardmine has opened up in weeks. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2007,14:39    Quote Interesting typo.  I thought "the big bank" was where Dr Dr Dembski puts the money he took from the punters. And batshit77 returns with some exciting developments in mathematics: Quote 10^150 minus 10^9 equals 10^141 For Dembski's sake, I hope bornagain isn't running the Big Bank. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2007,14:44    Quote (JohnW @ Oct. 05 2007,14:33)       Quote I believe in the Theistic interpretation for quantum mechanics, which states that the Infinite and Perfect Mind of God is ultimately in control of every quantum event in the universe, thus God retains His sovereignty and His omnipotence is retained Thank you for the straight line John W... Maybe some Holy Viagra could help that "omnipotence " problem he has. Christ, he's only managed to knock up 1 virgin in the last 100,000 years. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

N.Wells Posts: 1836 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2007,16:21    Denyse's blog name "Mindful hack" works on several different levels, albeit most of them not complimentary.

Nerull Posts: 317 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2007,16:48    A discussion on how God allows Entropy at UD. And I thought its not about religion? ;) -------------- To rebut creationism you pretty much have to be a biologist, chemist, geologist, philosopher, lawyer and historian all rolled into one. While to advocate creationism, you just have to be an idiot. -- tommorris

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2007,18:38    If only jumping to conclusions was an Olympic event: Quote 19 Collin 10/05/2007 6:04 pm off topic: Yahoo.com has a story suggesting that the appendix does have an important use for the body. ------ 20 Nochange 10/05/2007 6:35 pm The appendix story isn’t being touted as an ID story by the mainstream media, but it should be. I’ll bet the authors are closet ID supporters. Can we get Mr. Scot to check that for us? (I don’t presume to boss anyone, but I just thought it might be a good idea?) And it’s published in a peer-reviewed journal. Take that, Mr. Dawkin! link -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2007,18:53    WAD thinks evolutionary evidence is found in digital photos:   Quote Digital Forensics William Dembski Interesting article in Tuesday’s NYTimes on digital forensics — especially as it applies to scientists who doctor their images and data. It would be interesting to see how much (or how little) “evolutionary evidence” can withstand the scrutiny of digital forensics. Need it be added that digital forensics consists in drawing design inferences. The real reason for this interest: -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2007,19:34    From someone at UD: "10^150 minus 10^9 equals 10^141" Teach the controversy: I think 10^150 minus 10^9 is pretty damn close to 10^150, but being the open-minded math teacher I am, I'll start teaching both and let the students decide.  :)

Altabin Posts: 308 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2007,20:38    Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 05 2007,23:21) Denyse's blog name "Mindful hack" works on several different levels, albeit most of them not complimentary. Whenever my peripheral vision picks up her blogname (in one of her blog-whoring posts) it registers as "mindf*ck". Kinda spooky, really. --------------

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2007,22:34    Quote "10^150 minus 10^9 equals 10^141" Divide (instead of subtract) and conquer! Henry

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2007,23:56    Ah, Henry J.  You mean 10^150 minus 10^9 equals 10^16.67!  I knew I'd been making a mistake somewhere all there years. Bob -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2007,00:13    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Oct. 05 2007,16:53) The real reason for this interest: That is wonderful.  It only lacks farty noises. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2007,00:15    Quote (Altabin @ Oct. 05 2007,18:38) Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 05 2007,23:21) Denyse's blog name "Mindful hack" works on several different levels, albeit most of them not complimentary. Whenever my peripheral vision picks up her blogname (in one of her blog-whoring posts) it registers as "mindf*ck". Kinda spooky, really. My too.  I am so relieved not to be alone anymore in this. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Bebbo Posts: 161 Joined: Dec. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2007,06:26    Quote (Dr.GH @ Oct. 06 2007,00:15) Quote (Altabin @ Oct. 05 2007,18:38) Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 05 2007,23:21) Denyse's blog name "Mindful hack" works on several different levels, albeit most of them not complimentary. Whenever my peripheral vision picks up her blogname (in one of her blog-whoring posts) it registers as "mindf*ck". Kinda spooky, really. My too.  I am so relieved not to be alone anymore in this. Every time I see her site mentioned I read it as "mindless hack". Although to call her a hack may be overrating her journalistic skills.

Bebbo Posts: 161 Joined: Dec. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2007,06:28    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 05 2007,03:11) Dembski's found yet another tenous link to ID that he can use to push his notapology further down the page:   Quote interesting article in Tuesday’s NYTimes on digital forensics — especially as it applies to scientists who doctor their images and data. It would be interesting to see how much (or how little) “evolutionary evidence” can withstand the scrutiny of digital forensics Dembski follows that up with "Need it be added that digital forensics consists in drawing design inferences." Need it be added that digital forensics deals with things we know are designed whether or not they've been tampered with. Duh.

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2007,06:55    Quote (GCT @ Oct. 05 2007,08:45)             Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 04 2007,23:35) Ugh. Having discovered that regardless of supposed rules, the nurses won't kick you out immediately at 9 pm, I've been spending even more time at the hospital. I feel like you guys are having all the fun without me. Please continue. I'm glad we're not in the early days of the thread when I felt like I needed to give it the occasional boost to keep it going. My friend's being transferred to Ohio on Monday and my free time will be back to normal, but I think I might run out of gas before then. Don't worry, we're holding down the fort for ya while you're gone.  Take care of yourself and I hope your friend gets better. Yeah, we'll hold down the fort. Don't worry. Get well soon! [waving & smiling] ... Psst. Is he gone?? Good. Okay, now you check the fridge. And you, you check the wine cellar. Just because the Bar is closed doesn't mean the TARD* has to stop. * The Argument Regarding Design ™ -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

djmullen Posts: 327 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2007,10:29    Quote (JohnW @ Oct. 05 2007,18:38) If only jumping to conclusions was an Olympic event:     Quote 19 Collin 10/05/2007 6:04 pm off topic: Yahoo.com has a story suggesting that the appendix does have an important use for the body. ------ 20 Nochange 10/05/2007 6:35 pm The appendix story isn’t being touted as an ID story by the mainstream media, but it should be. I’ll bet the authors are closet ID supporters. Can we get Mr. Scot to check that for us? (I don’t presume to boss anyone, but I just thought it might be a good idea?) And it’s published in a peer-reviewed journal. Take that, Mr. Dawkin! link From the article:   Quote Also, the worm-shaped organ outgrowth acts like a bacteria factory, cultivating the good germs, Parker said. That use is not needed in a modern industrialized society, Parker said. If a person's gut flora dies, they can usually repopulate it easily with germs they pick up from other people, he said. But before dense populations in modern times and during epidemics of cholera that affected a whole region, it wasn't as easy to grow back that bacteria and the appendix came in handy. Somewhere in my basement, I have a circa 1988 YEC book with a footnote that says the appendix does so have a use - it provides jobs for surgeons.  I swear this is true!

GCT Posts: 1001 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2007,10:35    http://www.uncommondescent.com/religio....-140600 Quote As I see it, Dawkins has three possibilities when it comes to Hitler. He can conclude that what Hitler did was actually “good” because it was built on the root of darwinian morality, or he can conclude that his statement above is wrong. Apparently bfast can't count.

k.e Posts: 1948 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2007,10:35    Quote Somewhere in my basement, I have a circa 1988 YEC book with a footnote that says the appendix does so have a use - it provides jobs for surgeons.  I swear this is true! Even better, some believe it's there to test their faith. -------------- The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

GCT Posts: 1001 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2007,10:50    Quote (k.e @ Oct. 06 2007,11:35) Quote Somewhere in my basement, I have a circa 1988 YEC book with a footnote that says the appendix does so have a use - it provides jobs for surgeons.  I swear this is true! Even better, some believe it's there to test their faith. Like dinosaur bones?

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2007,15:26    Quote Ah, Henry J.  You mean 10^150 minus 10^9 equals 10^16.67!  I knew I'd been making a mistake somewhere all there years. Bob Are you sure you want to be an exponent of that theory? Henry

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2007,15:27    Quote Quote Also, the worm-shaped organ outgrowth acts like a bacteria factory, cultivating the good germs, Parker said. That use is not needed in a modern industrialized society, Parker said. If a person's gut flora dies, they can usually repopulate it easily with germs they pick up from other people, he said. But before dense populations in modern times and during epidemics of cholera that affected a whole region, it wasn't as easy to grow back that bacteria and the appendix came in handy. Did they get that from some actual research, or make it up? (I don't know enough to rule it out, since it sounds like something that could happen.) Henry

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