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oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,08:00    Quote (Joe G @ July 27 2012,07:58) Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 27 2012,07:56) Quote (Joe G @ July 27 2012,07:54) Ya see two gametes from the opposite sex have to get together, ie team up, in order to make a baby. Except that's not always true, is it? ID posits that there was a "first couple" as common descent is not true. Therefore there was at least one "baby" without parents, according to ID. So according to you, and ID, sexual reproduction cannot explain human origins. Look acting like you are a belligerent and ignorant faggot means nothing- you don't have to act Where does ID say the "first humans" came from Joe, if not common descent? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,08:00    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 27 2012,07:59) Quote (Joe G @ July 27 2012,07:56) Umm THAT was Kevin's whole point you fucking moron- there wouldn't be anything with 47 chromosomes. Man are you fucking ignorant According to ID there could be any number of chromosomes as design is a mechanism. According to evolutionism there can be any number of chromosomes because imagination is the mechanism. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,08:00    Joe, it's time to learn how to write paragraphs longer than a sentence. -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,08:00    Quote (Joe G @ July 27 2012,07:59) Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 27 2012,07:58) Quote (Joe G @ July 27 2012,07:55) oleg- you are just an ignorant piece-of-shit asswipe who is upset because I have exposed your ignorance. do you have any proof of this, other then your own opinion? Perhaps a fellow ID supporter, BA, PAV or perhaps KF that would support this assertion? Thought not... So Joe did X according to only Joe. Whoop de doo. Sounds alot like ID. X happened. Yes I have plenty of proof. Howevver you are too stupid to understand anything except how to molest little boys Proof that only you know about and can see. Have you seen a doctor lately Joe? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,08:02    Quote (Joe G @ July 27 2012,08:00) According to evolutionism there can be any number of chromosomes because imagination is the mechanism. And ID's explanation of the observed data is...... -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,08:03    Quote (Joe G @ July 27 2012,07:56) Quote (midwifetoad @ July 27 2012,07:54) And no one denied that individuals would have had an odd number of chromosomes, so what's your point? You and Casey seem to think this is some kind of killer argument. Otherwise why bring it up? Umm THAT was Kevin's whole point you fucking moron- there wouldn't be anything with 47 chromosomes. Where did Kevin say there never existed any humans with 47 chromosomes? Reference please.  Sounds like your ignorance and stupid misunderstandings again. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,08:04    Quote The chromosomal fusion argument for human-chimp common descent begins with the observation that humans possess 23 pairs of chromosomes, whereas apes possess 24 pairs, thus allowing one to predict that – evolution being true – a chromosomal fusion must have taken place at some point in our lineage. And, indeed, this is what we observe. What's the ID explanation Joe? It was designed that way? ROFL. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,08:07    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 27 2012,08:03)   Quote (Joe G @ July 27 2012,07:56)     Quote (midwifetoad @ July 27 2012,07:54) And no one denied that individuals would have had an odd number of chromosomes, so what's your point? You and Casey seem to think this is some kind of killer argument. Otherwise why bring it up? Umm THAT was Kevin's whole point you fucking moron- there wouldn't be anything with 47 chromosomes. Where did Kevin say there never existed any humans with 47 chromosomes? Reference please.  Sounds like your ignorance and stupid misunderstandings again. I think Joe means this:   Quote OgreMkV said... And no, only your strawman version of evolution requires that there must be a human (of some type) with 47 chromosomes between modern humans (with 46) and the rest of our lineage (with 48). And even further, if you knew jack shit about chromosomes, you should know why that is one of the dumbest statements ever out of your mouth. Link Joe, you sad quotemining bastard. But then again, what else have you got? How does ID "explain" the observed data? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,08:08    Well yes, whole genome duplications do not result in odd counts, which was what his example was about. An if a species has individuals has individuals with differing counts, matings between like count individuals will have a higher success rate, so one or the other will fix. But I still have to ask why you brought it up in the first place. Did you see it as an argument against common descent? -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,08:20    It doesn't require evolutionism to know that there are millions of humans walking around with nonstandard chromosome counts and no obvious medical problems. But differential fertility will always fix one count or the other. So I will ask again. Why did you bring this up in the first place? -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,08:30    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 27 2012,08:07) I think Joe means this:       Quote OgreMkV said... And no, only your strawman version of evolution requires that there must be a human (of some type) with 47 chromosomes between modern humans (with 46) and the rest of our lineage (with 48). And even further, if you knew jack shit about chromosomes, you should know why that is one of the dumbest statements ever out of your mouth. Link Joe, you sad quotemining bastard. But then again, what else have you got? How does ID "explain" the observed data? That comment by Kevin came after he clarified he was talking about species as Joe even cited in that thread's OP.  Joe made the claim well before that last comment was added today. So Joe misread, pitched a royal snit because of his misunderstanding.   Typical tard. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,09:15    Arguing about quote mining plays into joe's game of disruption. The important question is where joe  thought he was going with the 47 chromosome claim. What point was he leading to? -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,09:54    Quote (midwifetoad @ July 27 2012,09:15) Arguing about quote mining plays into joe's game of disruption. The important question is where joe  thought he was going with the 47 chromosome claim. What point was he leading to? Joetard's arguments never have a point.  It's just knee-jerk insults and gainsaying to any positive evidence posted for evolution. For a big fat guy Joe really is a pathetic little man. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,10:20    I think he was implying that such a hybrid would be defective or infertile. I don't have to guess about this. Casey cites trisomy 21 as his example. Much of the blogging last week was in response to this. Having lost this issue, joe is merely trying to deflect attention from the science to an alleged miscommunication. That's the essence of quote mining. Direct attention away from the intended meaning and away from the evidence and toward individual sentences that can be misconstrued. But I will ask joe one more time. Where were you going with the numbers game? What was your point? -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,10:55    Yes, that's my point.  Evolution does not require that there be a first organism with one chromosome, then some descendant of that organism with 2 chromosomes and that organisms descendant have 3 chromosomes... which is what Joe thinks evolution requires. I previously pointed out the example of triticale which tripled it's chromosome count in just one generation.  In fact, it happens a lot. All that not-withstanding... my really curious moment in the whole discussion came with the claim that there is tons of evidence to support ID.  I clicked on the link expecting to see tons of that evidence (since it was, indeed, a link immediately after that claim (I think, but I don't care enough to actually go check)). Shockingly, Joe didn't present any of that evidence.  Nor did he post links to that evidence.  Nor did he describe the experiments which led to the evidence.  Nor, indeed, that such experiments even exist. I've been waiting for three years Joe, for you to actually STATE this evidence, which is so enormous,  yet so subtle and carefully guarded that no one, not you Joe, not Casey "the Gerbil" Luskin, not Behe, not Demski, nor even Santa, has been able to actually state it. It almost leads one to consider the possibility that this volumous amount of evidence is a figment of the ID proponitists imagination.  At least, science can point to the tens of thousands of peer-reviewed research and data.  Whether it supports evolution or not is not the point, the simple fact that such evidence exists puts evolution far and above ID. So Joe, I ask for the billionth time, where is this evidence? I am perfectly willing to post up a guest blog entry from you or anyone else, who is willing to write a treatise on the evidence in favor of ID. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,11:10    LOL@ANOTHER_JOEFAIL. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,11:14    Oh you meanies have prompted at meltdown: http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2012....or.html Quote Elizabeth Liddle is a Liar and an Equivocator - Elizabeth Liddle is a full of shit liar. She lies about natural slection. She lies about testable hypotheses for evolutionism and now she is lying about IDists and evos- she makes evos out to be the good guys- yet the evidence says they are asshole liars and ignorant asswipes- and she sez IDists don't answer questions. FUCK YOU LIZ you dried up old hag. Evos don't answer questions. Evos just attack whoever disagrees with them. Based on this I think Joe is perfect to teach his (fictional) Intelligent Design Awareness Day at our local school. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,11:19    Quote (Richardthughes @ July 27 2012,11:14) http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2012.......or.html Quote Elizabeth Liddle is a Liar and an Equivocator Evos don't answer questions. Evos just attack whoever disagrees with them. Kettle, thou art black, sayeth the pot. That's right Joe, according to you evidence = no evidence and no evidence = tons of evidence. Of course mya also equals "millenia years ago" and mol = "molecules". -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,12:37    If not specific pieces of evidence, how about a description of the patterns that would be expected to be consistently observed in the data if was true that life was in some way deliberately engineered by somebody or something? Or something like that.

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,15:07    Hunter moderates Joe. Joe is not amused and threatens consequences: Quote Dr Hunter- If you really want to get into it with me, I am game. Do you really want to go there because I do not. But I will not tolerate your uneven moderation. -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,15:57    Quote (Joe G @ July 27 2012,05:54)     Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 27 2012,07:51)       Quote (Joe G @ July 27 2012,07:50) I never said it was a problem, assface. I was just correcting Kevin's ignorance because you evos are too stupid to do so.       Quote Now for that 23 to get passed along it had to team up with a 24: 23 + 24 = 47 ROFL. I can imagine what sort of "teaming up" you have in mind. But you'll never reproduce like that, you realise that right? LoL! Do you know how sexual reproduction works? Or are you ignorant of that too? Ya see two gametes from the opposite sex have to get together, ie team up, in order to make a baby. But then again obviously you are too stupid to grasp that. Hey joey, if you know so much about sexual reproduction, maybe you can explain exactly how "God's" gamete teamed up with the virgin Mary's gamete to produce the baby jesus? While you're at it maybe you can explain how you know that the abrahamic god (aka ywhw or allah) is male ("the opposite sex" of Mary)? Oh, and since you believe that 'kinds' can't 'team up' their gametes with the gametes of other 'kinds' and make babies, you must believe that "God" and Mary were/are exactly the same 'kind', and since the alleged person Mary was allegedly a human, "God" must be a human, right? Or was Mary a goddess? -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,16:55    Let's start simple.  Joe, why do we observe the sky as being blue? -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,17:09    Quote (blipey @ July 27 2012,16:55) Let's start simple.  Joe, why do we observe the sky as being blue? I doubt Joe can see the sky from his basement room. Joe, shout up to mom and ask her to describe it for you. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,17:27    Quote (olegt @ July 27 2012,15:07) Hunter moderates Joe. Joe is not amused and threatens consequences:   Quote Dr Hunter- If you really want to get into it with me, I am game. Do you really want to go there because I do not. But I will not tolerate your uneven moderation. Joe's meltdown at Corny's place is reaching epic proportions!  It's one of the better TardBursts I've seen in quite a while.     -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,17:33    Quote This comment has been removed by a blog administrator. The funny thing is that removal actually increases teh information content a thousandfold from Joe's normal "style". -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,18:14    Joe continues to cowardly hide his sooper secret evidence that supports ID. What's the matter Joe?  Actually, it would be pretty funny if there was evidence to support ID, but Joe didn't understand it well enough to explain it to anyone else. Hey Joe, how you describe the process by which changes in chromosome number occur for us.  Both the ebil sciency version and the angelic ID version. edit to add the following: From Joe's Blog here Quote OgreMkV said...    Hey Joe.    Can you link to a single piece of evidence that unequivocally supports ID?    12:10 PM    Delete Blogger Joe G said...    Yes I can Kevin. Can you link to a single piece of evidence that unequivocally supports the accumulation of random mutations constructing new multi-protein machinery? I didn't think so. Now, a normal person would read my comment and perhaps think "Maybe this guy actually wants to that link." But not Joe.  Ya see, I'm such an ignoramus that I thought asking in that fashion would lead to the normal person's thinking and result in a link to said mountain of evidence.  But Joe, being the Sooper Jeenyus he is, confirmed that he could indeed produce said link.  Having answered the question, he has no need to actually produce the link, because I didn't ask for it. So my response Quote OK.  let's try a new tactic. Joe, WILL you link to a piece of peer-reviewed evidence that unambiguously supports intelligent design?  Ya see, in spite of this mountain of evidence you keep claiming exists, I have never seen any.  Heck, no reputable scientist that I'm aware of has seen any of this evidence.  You guys are so good at keeping it secret. Tell you what, since the evidence really should be unambiguous, then just point me to the resource and I'll read it.   If I have questions, then I can come to you for answers.  Fair enough? I'll check back in a bit... or you can post the link at AtBC. Thanks I'd like to reiterate for Joe, that his requirement that I support (his version of) evolution or intelligent design is automatically correct is an awful lot like (in fact, identical to) a claim that only one of them can be correct... which is the complete opposite of what Joe claims every, single day... that ID is not anti-evolution.  Of course, that's using normal person thinking and semantics... not Joe's Sooper Jeenyus thinking and semantics. Edited by OgreMkV on July 27 2012,18:56 -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Seversky Posts: 442 Joined: June 2010 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2012,23:48    Quote (olegt @ July 27 2012,15:07) Hunter moderates Joe. Joe is not amused and threatens consequences:   Quote Dr Hunter- If you really want to get into it with me, I am game. Do you really want to go there because I do not. But I will not tolerate your uneven moderation. Hunter closes comments.  No sign of The Joe-ker's consequences.

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 28 2012,01:36    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 27 2012,15:09) Quote (blipey @ July 27 2012,16:55) Let's start simple.  Joe, why do we observe the sky as being blue? I doubt Joe can see the sky from his basement room. Joe, shout up to mom and ask her to describe it for you. POTW! -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 28 2012,04:04    Over on "The Loom", joey g says: 44.   Joe G Says: July 24th, 2012 at 10:00 am John Kwok, There isn’t a “theory” of evolution, just a bunch of special pleading, as in Carl’s post above. How are you defining “evolution” that makes ID anti-evolution? ID is OK with a change in allele frequency over time, ie evolution. ID is OK with natural selection, ie evolution. ID is OK with descent with modification, ie evolution. IOW, John, you are ignorant. Methodological naturalism is a failed philosophy. Ya see natural processes only exist in nature and therefor can not account for its origin, which science says it had. You are correct- there is more evidence for Klingons then there is for your position. ------------------------ Hey joey, you need to make up your ignorant, feeble mind and then get together with your fellow IDiots and tell them that ID is "OK" with all that stuff. Ya see, they (and you) constantly argue against it all. By the way joey, for the millionth time, the ToE is not about ultimate origins. One more thing for now joey, why do you rely on science regarding the 'origin of nature' but not when it comes to the ToE? Is it just because one theory can be force fit into your belief in yhwh/allah and the other goes completely against your belief that you and your ancestors were specially created in the image of "God" and are exceptional to the rest of nature? A lot more is known about evolution than about the ultimate origin of nature, yet you conveniently choose to rely on the less verified theory. Strange that... go figure. ETA: fixed a typo Edited by The whole truth on July 28 2012,02:22 -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 28 2012,07:21    Joe shows how much he knows, after all this time, about how new knowledge is gained: Quote But if you keep assuming the very things that need to be tested, what good is that? What if the test fails Joe? What does that tell us about the assumption? Classic Joe IDGnorance. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

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