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Posted: June 26 2007,21:17

Re "He once told me the giant gas planets in our solar system were placed there to protect earth from asteroid bombardment."

Non cents. They're porpoise is too stabilize hour planets orbit.

(At least with that claim, one would be referring to an effect the other planet(s) might actually have.)

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Posted: June 26 2007,21:17

You can't beat Google for the start of a nice little research project on Walt "Call Me Crazy" Brown.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Brown_%28creationist%29

If you follow the links, you will see lots of previously researched work to refute the Brown's Crazy Claims�.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH420.html

or here: �http://home.entouch.net/dmd/hydroplate.htm

HTH :)

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Posted: June 27 2007,00:05

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Maybe it's stories like this that lead Joe G the Maytag man to claim that most scientists don't believe in evolution anymore.

That sounds like good old Joe G., always good for a laugh.
He once told me the giant gas planets in our solar system were placed there to protect earth from asteroid bombardment. When I asked him how that squared with all the evidence of impacts on the earth he went into hand waving mode. I�m glad to see his entertainment value is still top notch. FTK should take lessons from him. Maybe she already has?

Hmm, who is this Joe G of whom you speak?

Legendary anti-evolution bonehead Joe Gallien.

Isn't Blipey the main one here who ~~heckles~~ engages him? Or is Zachriel more of an expert?

I think it's Zachriel. IIRC, he tried for weeks to get Joe G to even acknowledge the existence of such a concept as a nested hierarchy. So impervious is Joe G's brain to reason, I'm not sure Zachriel even got him to type it, let alone understand the concept.

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Posted: June 27 2007,00:36

Oh yes, Zachriel is, hands down, the leader in JoeG protective gear. He waded in for several weeks of serious posting (by this I mean real content--none of which Joe acknowledged).

Zachriel should win some sort of award actually, by carrying on the, uh, discussion on my blog for a while. He lured Joe out of his own personal confines to be ridiculed in a completely separate arena.

Joe's stupidity regarding nested hierarchies is hilarious, though. He told me that a paternal family tree is not a nested hierarchy because, wait for it...people have fathers. That's right; try to figure that one out if you can.

His latest is that a majority of scientists don't accept ToE or CD, because, wait for it...they can't prove it. Don't ask me what the validity of a thing has to do with people believing it, but there you go.

There are some who think that Larry Phlemandbagel is dangerous crazy, but I think it's Joe Gallien who is the truly dangerous nut case.

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Posted: June 27 2007,00:42

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There are some who think that Larry Phlemandbagel is dangerous crazy, but I think it's Joe Gallien who is the truly dangerous nut case.

Didn't Joe G./John Paul get fired (or in trouble with his employer, at least) when it was discovered he was using the computer at work in order to harass his opponents?

I wish I had more details, but I think it happened at the NAIG or OCW boards and it was this incident that "outed" John Paul as Joe Gallien, who had previously been pretending to be a Muslim.

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Posted: June 27 2007,00:47

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Joe Gallien, who had previously been pretending to be a Muslim.

Oh, I must have links to this. He would make the worst Muslim-impersonator evah!!!

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Posted: June 27 2007,01:01

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Joe Gallien, who had previously been pretending to be a Muslim.

Oh, I must have links to this. He would make the worst Muslim-impersonator evah!!!

I wish I could unearth something a little more tangible, but the only relevant link I could find was from the comments at his own blog, and that traces back to AtBC:

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Joseph is actually Joe Gallien, a moronic legend in the C/E discussion world and a Tard�s Tard if ever there were one. His exploits include:

Claimed to be a qualified �scientist� because he has a Bachelor of Science, Engineer Technology degree.
Claimed to be a Muslim so people wouldn�t call him a YEC
Got caught using an anonymizer and posting under *dozens* of multiple aliases so he could agree with himself and pat himself on the back
Claimed that there are alien cities on Mars and the Moon

I'm sure there are some regs here who used to be active at the NAIG boards back in the day; they could give you more details, I'm sure. I'm almost positive it was NAIG where he got outed, because John Stear was able to trace his IP address.

For the record, you're correct; he was a lousy Muslim impersonator. His schtick was basically this:

someone would say, "You bloody fundies and your YEC..." and John Paul would respond with something along the lines of, "You narrow-minded Darwinists! Sure, I regurgitate arguments from ICR, AIG and several other Christian websites, but I'm a Muslim, so there!"

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Posted: June 27 2007,07:01

Classic FtK.

Run away when you can't stand the heat. Where are you FtK. There are a lot of unanswered questions here...

Paging FtK. Paging FtK.

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Posted: June 27 2007,07:12

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Classic FtK.

Run away when you can't stand the heat. Where are you FtK. There are a lot of unanswered questions here...

Paging FtK. Paging FtK.

She got enough martyrdom lately to last for a few weeks.

She'll be back when she starts jonesing again.

She's worse than a heroin addict.

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Posted: June 27 2007,07:24

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Classic FtK.

Run away when you can't stand the heat. Where are you FtK. There are a lot of unanswered questions here...

Paging FtK. Paging FtK.

She got enough martyrdom lately to last for a few weeks.

She'll be back when she starts jonesing again.

She's worse than a heroin addict.

Maybe she's busy reading some peer revi.....BWAAAAAAAAHaha

nevermind.

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Posted: June 27 2007,08:51

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Paging FtK. Paging FtK.

Optimistically, I am hoping that she is reflecting on the fact that she inadvertently adopted the point of view of a theistic evolutionist, and this did not result in her growing horns and a tail. This unexpected outcome would certainly be cause for spending some time in introspection.

That is surely at least as likely as the notion that she is spending time reading the peer-reviewed literature

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Posted: June 27 2007,08:57

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This unexpected outcome would certainly be cause for spending some time in introspection.

That is surely at least as likely as the notion that she is spending time reading the peer-reviewed literature

Hilarious

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Posted: June 27 2007,10:28

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There are some who think that Larry Phlemandbagel is dangerous crazy, but I think it's Joe Gallien who is the truly dangerous nut case.

Didn't Joe G./John Paul get fired (or in trouble with his employer, at least) when it was discovered he was using the computer at work in order to harass his opponents?

I wish I had more details, but I think it happened at the NAIG or OCW boards and it was this incident that "outed" John Paul as Joe Gallien, who had previously been pretending to be a Muslim.

My favorite bit of Joe G tardity happened when he locked horns with Andrea Bottaro at PT, and got his clock cleaned. It was hilarious, and you can read about it here

Bottaro sized Joe up perfectly when he said,

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...you are remarkably impenetrable to reason and unaware of self-embarassment. I strongly suggest you check the content of your next posts for unwarranted and self-contradictory claims.

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Posted: June 27 2007,11:24

SFtk isn't around because she's trying to find he most ridiculously unsupported and inane thing she could possibly say this week.

Oh, she found it.

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Posted: June 27 2007,11:55

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SFtk isn't around because she's trying to find he most ridiculously unsupported and inane thing she could possibly say this week.

Oh, she found it.

I'm taking the bait.

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Posted: June 27 2007,12:04

FTK, so if, one day far far in the future, a self aware computer is created would that disprove the whole god thing for you? After all if mere molecules can become self aware that gap just got a whole lot smalller!

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The Chinese Room analogy is a serious problem for the view that A.I. is possible.

FTK, I guess you agree with that right? From your blog post it appears so.

And Egnor also says

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But imagine that artificial intelligence could be created, and Searle is wrong. Imagine that teams of the best computer scientists, working day and night for decades, finally produced a computer that had an awareness of itself. A conscious computer, with a mind! So, finally, P.Z. Myers and I could agree on something. Myers would be right. If a computer had a mind, we could infer two things:

1) Matter is sufficient, as well as necessary, for the mind. The mind is an emergent property of matter.
2) The emergence of mind from matter requires intelligent design.

It�s not easy being a materialist.

So, FTK, what's your response to that then? If point 1) above is true and we can create self aware computers then we hardly need a "god" like your "god" of the bible to sort things out do we? If mere molecules can become self aware without any sort of supernatural influence then what size is that gap now? Gnats chuff? Much more probable aliens did it eh? Why invoke some supernatural entity when natural causes are sufficient.

Seems to me your attempts to prove your "god" exists only push it further out of reach.

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Posted: June 27 2007,12:07

Quote (blipey @ June 27 2007,11:24)

SFtk isn't around because she's trying to find he most ridiculously unsupported and inane thing she could possibly say this week.

Oh, she found it.

Yeah, I saw that blog post earlier today. I love this sentence

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Atheism intrigues me to no end. It is the single most illogical conclusion about life that one can every succumb to, IMHO.

I guess we all just don't understand how logical it is to believe in a deity whom you can't detect, who instructed ancient followers to build an ark that could contain dinosaurs, whales and great white sharks, and who apparently decided that the best solution for the humans who disobeyed him would be to have them torture and kill his incarnate son. That all seems eminently logical to me...

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Posted: June 27 2007,12:21

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SFtk isn't around because she's trying to find he most ridiculously unsupported and inane thing she could possibly say this week.

Oh, she found it.

Yeah, I saw that blog post earlier today. I love this sentence �

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Atheism intrigues me to no end. It is the single most illogical conclusion about life that one can every succumb to, IMHO.

I guess we all just don't understand how logical it is to believe in a deity whom you can't detect, who instructed ancient followers to build an ark that could contain dinosaurs, whales and great white sharks, and who apparently decided that the best solution for the humans who disobeyed him would be to have them torture and kill his incarnate son. That all seems eminently logical to me...

I just submitted a post to her about this... gave her the Dawkins quote about all people are atheists about all other gods except their own - atheists just take it one step further. I wonder if she will let it through moderation?

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Posted: June 27 2007,12:25

That's interesting....Your comment has made it through, yet mine was even more polite, and yet it's yet to appear.

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You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK

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Posted: June 27 2007,12:31

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That's interesting....Your comment has made it through, yet mine was even more polite, and yet it's yet to appear.

Women love cavemen. What can I say dude.

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Posted: June 27 2007,12:32

It's interesting to ponder why FTK is so totally obsessed with atheists. I suspect she's compensating for something here.

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Posted: June 27 2007,12:32

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That's interesting....Your comment has made it through, yet mine was even more polite, and yet it's yet to appear.

Women love cavemen. What can I say dude.

Well, maybe it was a bit daring, I mean, I asked her a direct question!

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Posted: June 27 2007,12:35

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That's interesting....Your comment has made it through, yet mine was even more polite, and yet it's yet to appear.

Women love cavemen. What can I say dude.

Well, maybe it was a bit daring, I mean, I asked her a direct question!

My hypothesis is that Ian sounds too British and Dawkinsish; she doesn't want to engage in a civil conversation with someone like that. Now a caveman - that she can deal with!

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Posted: June 27 2007,12:36

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ June 27 2007,12:07)

Quote (blipey @ June 27 2007,11:24)

SFtk isn't around because she's trying to find he most ridiculously unsupported and inane thing she could possibly say this week.

Oh, she found it.

Yeah, I saw that blog post earlier today. I love this sentence

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Atheism intrigues me to no end. It is the single most illogical conclusion about life that one can every succumb to, IMHO.

I guess we all just don't understand how logical it is to believe in a deity whom you can't detect, who instructed ancient followers to build an ark that could contain dinosaurs, whales and great white sharks, and who apparently decided that the best solution for the humans who disobeyed him would be to have them torture and kill his incarnate son. That all seems eminently logical to me...

What I always wonder, and ask people like FTK, is that why god seems to have stopped. I mean, he came along burnt some bushes, did a bit of re-decorating (teh flud) and then, 2k odd years ago just stopped. Nothing else. From hero to zero. Why?
All this action (to the point of killing all but 8 people on the planet and appearing in person at times) and then nothing at all. If you are going to be a planetary overlord then just disappearing for thousands of years is just not on!

Can't be anything to do with the general level of development can it? I mean, if you lived and died in the same 5 square miles in muddy poverty (or it's worldwide equivlient) who knows what happens thousands of miles away. Could be anything at all.

nah, just chance.

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Posted: June 27 2007,12:41

I left a "comment" asking her why I wasn't making it through (after all, as far as I can tell, I posted before J-Dog) and that a reply would be much appriciated.

Maybe she's ended the polite conversation we were having? Shame, I was just enjoying myself.

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Posted: June 27 2007,12:43

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What I always wonder, and ask people like FTK, is that why god seems to have stopped. I mean, he came along burnt some bushes, did a bit of re-decorating (teh flud) and then, 2k odd years ago just stopped. Nothing else. From hero to zero. Why?
All this action (to the point of killing all but 8 people on the planet and appearing in person at times) and then nothing at all. If you are going to be a planetary overlord then just disappearing for thousands of years is just not on!

Can't be anything to do with the general level of development can it? I mean, if you lived and died in the same 5 square miles in muddy poverty (or it's worldwide equivlient) who knows what happens thousands of miles away. Could be anything at all.

nah, just chance.

Well the answer to this of course comes from JAD.

God is dead.

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Posted: June 27 2007,12:48

Quote (Rev. BigDumbChimp @ June 27 2007,12:43)

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What I always wonder, and ask people like FTK, is that why god seems to have stopped. I mean, he came along burnt some bushes, did a bit of re-decorating (teh flud) and then, 2k odd years ago just stopped. Nothing else. From hero to zero. Why?
All this action (to the point of killing all but 8 people on the planet and appearing in person at times) and then nothing at all. If you are going to be a planetary overlord then just disappearing for thousands of years is just not on!

Can't be anything to do with the general level of development can it? I mean, if you lived and died in the same 5 square miles in muddy poverty (or it's worldwide equivlient) who knows what happens thousands of miles away. Could be anything at all.

nah, just chance.

Well the answer to this of course comes from JAD.

God is dead.

yeah, as I wrote it I wondered if JAD had asked himself the same question in a lucid moment (well) and come up with his theory. The longer that goes past without the believers being !taken up! the harder it gets to believe (I suppose!) it'll happen in your lifetime.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Posted: June 27 2007,12:53

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Quote (Albatrossity2 @ June 27 2007,12:07)

Quote (blipey @ June 27 2007,11:24)

SFtk isn't around because she's trying to find he most ridiculously unsupported and inane thing she could possibly say this week.

Oh, she found it.

Yeah, I saw that blog post earlier today. I love this sentence � �

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Atheism intrigues me to no end. It is the single most illogical conclusion about life that one can every succumb to, IMHO.

I guess we all just don't understand how logical it is to believe in a deity whom you can't detect, who instructed ancient followers to build an ark that could contain dinosaurs, whales and great white sharks, and who apparently decided that the best solution for the humans who disobeyed him would be to have them torture and kill his incarnate son. That all seems eminently logical to me...

What I always wonder, and ask people like FTK, is that why god seems to have stopped. I mean, he came along burnt some bushes, did a bit of re-decorating (teh flud) and then, 2k odd years ago just stopped. Nothing else. From hero to zero. Why?
All this action (to the point of killing all but 8 people on the planet and appearing in person at times) and then nothing at all. If you are going to be a planetary overlord then just disappearing for thousands of years is just not on!

Can't be anything to do with the general level of development can it? I mean, if you lived and died in the same 5 square miles in muddy poverty (or it's worldwide equivlient) who knows what happens thousands of miles away. Could be anything at all.

nah, just chance.

Yeah. It's totally illogical. Only people that can't shake their initial indoctrination really believe. Sad really.

BTW - I have to leave early - my son has baseball gamesn till late tonight, so you can all please feel free to reply to my latest post to FTK - It hasn't made it through moderation yet, but I hate to see a good opportunity go to waste.

I also let her know I will be out, so whatever.

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