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Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,10:30    Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Sep. 05 2012,15:30) well to be honest some of you lot need to frikkin vote ETA  I have 12 votes.  That's chickenshit.  Y'all get out there and let freedom ring now, heah? As you're asking on the Uncommon Thread, and we shan't be bothered to read the rules, so we will nominate primarily from the Uncommon World. Here are amongst the tardiest per our estimation: Best Costume GilDodgen, for "The Frilly Shirt", critics say 'You gotta see it to believe it!' Runner-up Bill Dembski for "Grandpa's Sweater". Best Soundtrack Bill Dembski, for "Farttime for Dawkins in Tardany", which brought The Argument Regarding Design to a new level of sophistication. Best Script Upright Biped, for "The Lonely Semiote", taking a simple fallacy and stretching it into the utmost elaborate self-convincing argument possible. Runners up Gpuccio for "What?! No Intermediate Handbags?", and Vjtorley for "Will this do, Professor?" Technical Achievement Kairosfocus, for "PSSSSSS", enough nested indentations and bullet points for the whole family! Biggest Pile Kairosfocus, for "GEM of TKI". www.youtube.com/watch?v=63UlBsdElsY Greatest Tardhammerer Dave Scot, "Is No Longer With Us". No, really. He's no longer with us. Runner-up Barry Arrington for "A Good Start". Most Pompous Bloviator Granville Sewell, for "Entropy, Entropy, Wherefore Art Thou Entropy?", now at ten thousand performances and no end in sight! Runner up, Zachriel for "Zachriel". (We wish to thank Ourselves for this well-deserved honour.) Honorable mention for PaV in the apocalyptic "The End of Darwinism is Nigh". Miss Congeniality Scordova, for being himself. Best Actor in a Comedy Joe, whose coulrophobia inspired a generation (of clowns). Best Actor in a Drama Kairosfocus, for his incredible performance as a delusional and paranoid island castaway. In Memoriam John A. Davison, best known for the longest monologue on a single thread (mostly because he apparently didn't know how to start a new one). Lifetime Achievement for Epic Tard Sean Pitman, in the lyrical "O Sean Pitman". Beware a war of words, Sean Pitman, Ere you err. www.detectingdesign.com Palme T'ard William Dembski, for playing the haughty professor who never deigns to respond to criticism, who in his heart knows his life work is silly nonsense. Edited by Lou FCD on Sep. 07 2012,16:56 -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,10:44    *applause* someone please give this man an award for christ's sake. although that is a bit more data than my design can handle, i am taking it as a vote for DrBillyBilly? -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,10:46    Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 07 2012,10:30) Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Sep. 05 2012,15:30) well to be honest some of you lot need to frikkin vote ETA  I have 12 votes.  That's chickenshit.  Y'all get out there and let freedom ring now, heah? As you're asking on the Uncommon Thread, and we shan't be bothered to read the rules, so we will nominate primarily from the Uncommon World. Here are amongst the tardiest per our estimation: Best Costume GilDodgen, for "The Frilly Shirt", critics say 'You gotta see it to believe it!' Runner-up Bill Dembski for "Grandpa's Sweater". Best Soundtrack Bill Dembski, for "Farttime for Dawkins in Tardany", which brought The Argument Regarding Design to a new level of sophistication. Best Script Upright Biped, for "The Lonely Semiote", taking a simple fallacy and stretching it into the utmost elaborate self-convincing argument possible. Runners up Gpuccio for "What?! No Intermediate Handbags?", and Vjtorley for "Will this do, Professor?" Technical Achievement Kairosfocus, for "PSSSSSS", enough nested indentations and bullet points for the whole family! Biggest Pile Kairosfocus, for "GEM of TKI". www.youtube.com/watch?v=63UlBsdElsY Greatest Tardhammerer Dave Scot, "Is No Longer With Us". No, really. He's no longer with us. Runner-up Barry Arrington for "A Good Start". Most Pompous Bloviator Granville Sewell, for "Entropy, Entropy, Wherefore Art Thou Entropy?", now at ten thousand performances and no end in sight! Runner up, Zachriel for "Zachriel". (We wish to thank Ourselves for this well-deserved honour.) Honorable mention for PaV in the apocalyptic "The End of Darwinism is Nigh". Miss Congeniality Scordova, for being himself. Best Actor in a Comedy Joe, whose coulrophobia inspired a generation (of clowns). Best Actor in a Drama Kairosfocus, for his incredible performance as a delusional and paranoid island castaway. In Memoriam John A. Davison, best known for the longest monologue on a single thread (mostly because he apparently didn't know how to start a new one). Lifetime Achievement for Epic Tard Sean Pitman, in the lyrical "O Sean Pitman". Beware a war of words, Sean Pitman, Ere you err. www.detectingdesign.com Palme T'ard William Dembski, for playing the haughty professor who never deigns to respond to criticism, who in his heart knows his life work is silly nonsense. PotW, easily. Can we get some nominations for Best sciency-sounding made up acronym? [BSSMUA] You might want to check the work of Gordon Mullings GEM of TKI Kiros Focus Bydand! the constitution fixer Mister Leathers Semi Quasi stroking porn-watcher. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Patrick Posts: 666 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,10:52    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Sep. 07 2012,11:44) *applause* someone please give this man an award for christ's sake. although that is a bit more data than my design can handle, i am taking it as a vote for DrBillyBilly? Hear, hear! The only award left out is one for quasi-pseudo-i'll-never-admit-i'm-wrong latching.

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,10:56    Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Sep. 07 2012,10:44) *applause* someone please give this man an award for christ's sake. although that is a bit more data than my design can handle, i am taking it as a vote for DrBillyBilly? Yes. William Dembski, Magister Scientiae, has our nomination for the Palme T'ard. His work with psi and some of those other funny-looking Greek letters has been particularly geeky. By the way, does anyone know how to spell Tardany? You know, the country between Polackia and Francesovania? -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,11:00    Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 07 2012,10:30) Palme T'ard William Dembski, for playing the haughty professor who never deigns to respond to criticism, who in his heart knows his life work is silly nonsense. A life work of silly nonsense, sort of like Monty Python, only without a sense of humour. -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,11:25    Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 07 2012,10:56) Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Sep. 07 2012,10:44) *applause* someone please give this man an award for christ's sake. although that is a bit more data than my design can handle, i am taking it as a vote for DrBillyBilly? Yes. William Dembski, Magister Scientiae, has our nomination for the Palme T'ard. His work with psi and some of those other funny-looking Greek letters has been particularly geeky. By the way, does anyone know how to spell Tardany? You know, the country between Polackia and Francesovania? Heck, without Dembski, none of the rest of this tard would even be possible. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,11:48    I nominate Casey "the gerbil" Luskin for the "irritating little prick you'd most like to punch in the mouth" category. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,11:53    I'd like to nominate JoeG for the Oscar Wilde Award for Devastating Wit. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,11:58    You forgot most impressive CV. The only nominees is Gilbert Dodgen the son of the best scientist he ever met Achievements: classical piano player, checkers problem solver ( 65000 lines of C code), hang gliding editor of a hang gliding magazine, Aerospace R&D software engineer (with a specialty in autonomously guided precision airdrop systems), artificial-intelligence programmer, user of LS-DYNA (the most sophisticated Finite Element Analysis program ever developed), classical pianist, ID aficionado, Linux enthusiast, ex-atheist and devout born again christian Several tens of successful remakes of his CV have been screened at UD although surprisingly few new details have been added in later versions. Common themes since the initial show are atheist parents, daughter, christian friend, video "The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe". -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,12:11    Zachriel's ballot is far too good to not share, but if you would like to vote please send me a PM with a nominee for Top Tard and a few lines explaining your choice.  I'll count over the weekend and post monday unless i don't and by all means let us continue the public discussion of these "personalities" whatever happened to Jerry?  HmmmMM?  you know what to do Edited by Erasmus, FCD on Sep. 07 2012,13:12 -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,12:26    Quote (sparc @ Sep. 07 2012,11:58) You forgot most impressive CV. The only nominees is Gilbert Dodgen the son of the best scientist he ever met Achievements: classical piano player, checkers problem solver ( 65000 lines of C code), hang gliding editor of a hang gliding magazine, Aerospace R&D software engineer (with a specialty in autonomously guided precision airdrop systems), artificial-intelligence programmer, user of LS-DYNA (the most sophisticated Finite Element Analysis program ever developed), classical pianist, ID aficionado, Linux enthusiast, ex-atheist and devout born again christian Several tens of successful remakes of his CV have been screened at UD although surprisingly few new details have been added in later versions. Common themes since the initial show are atheist parents, daughter, christian friend, video "The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe". Not to mention G. Dodgen's essential contributions to the development of the Dodgenator! * * There is still an ongoing controversy concerning whether tard can be subdivided at all. Per Unified Tard-Field Theory, all tard is just different flavors of equivocation (a.k.a. tardicles). Supporters of the Dodgenator point to "observations" and "empirical predictions". Detractors continue to gesticulate and mumble about conspiracies within the Academy. -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,12:41    I nominated gpuccio for having no excuses. I think the rest are -- like J.K.Rowling -- doing the best they can with the talent they were given. As a point of fact, some of them have written as many words about magic. Edited for spelling Edited by midwifetoad on Sep. 07 2012,12:43 -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Gunthernacus Posts: 235 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,13:21    Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 07 2012,11:30)   Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Sep. 05 2012,15:30) well to be honest some of you lot need to frikkin vote ETA  I have 12 votes.  That's chickenshit.  Y'all get out there and let freedom ring now, heah? As you're asking on the Uncommon Thread, and we shan't be bothered to read the rules, so we will nominate primarily from the Uncommon World. Here are amongst the tardiest per our estimation: ... Post of the Century of the Week, Today! Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 07 2012,11:30) Miss Congeniality Scordova, for being himself. Casey may forgive you, but he will never forget this blatant omission!  :angry: -------------- Given that we are all descended from Adam and Eve...genetic defects as a result of intra-family marriage would not begin to crop up until after the first few dozen generations. - Dr. Hugh Ross

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,14:31    Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 07 2012,10:26) Quote (sparc @ Sep. 07 2012,11:58) You forgot most impressive CV. The only nominees is Gilbert Dodgen the son of the best scientist he ever met Achievements: classical piano player, checkers problem solver ( 65000 lines of C code), hang gliding editor of a hang gliding magazine, Aerospace R&D software engineer (with a specialty in autonomously guided precision airdrop systems), artificial-intelligence programmer, user of LS-DYNA (the most sophisticated Finite Element Analysis program ever developed), classical pianist, ID aficionado, Linux enthusiast, ex-atheist and devout born again christian Several tens of successful remakes of his CV have been screened at UD although surprisingly few new details have been added in later versions. Common themes since the initial show are atheist parents, daughter, christian friend, video "The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe". Not to mention G. Dodgen's essential contributions to the development of the Dodgenator! * * There is still an ongoing controversy concerning whether tard can be subdivided at all. Per Unified Tard-Field Theory, all tard is just different flavors of equivocation (a.k.a. tardicles). Supporters of the Dodgenator point to "observations" and "empirical predictions". Detractors continue to gesticulate and mumble about conspiracies within the Academy. And his continuing role as Dawkins' Worst NightmareTM. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,14:37    The big tent doesn't really have a union yet. Just tardicles of confederation. And a semidiotic theory. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

raguel Posts: 107 Joined: Feb. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,15:28    I think Jerry should get an award for something. What ever happened to him, anyway?

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,17:28    PaV: "Again, this irreducible ‘directionality’ that ezntropy requires can be lost sight of even in a classical thermodynamic equations like dU = TdS – pdV." I think he meant "Again, this irreducible ‘directionality’ that entropy requires can be lost sight of even in a classical thermodynamic equations like dUmb = TardS + paV."

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,17:52    The libelous names you all have called Luskin.  Like "gerbil" and "hamster", when clearly the DIots know that he's really a squirrel. Sheesh, Darwinists. Glen Davidson ETA:  Should have been in the DI thread, though. -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,18:56    An epic rally worthy of the Mornington Crescent thread. Kudos, all. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

REC Posts: 638 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,20:35    KF grows weary of Sal's requests he treat entropy correctly, or ya know, actually calculate something:   Quote SC: Pardon, but I have the distinct impression that you are beginning to indulge snip-snipe tactics. In a matter as involved and integrated as this, that is not good enough. <snip crap> I trust this will help you focus attention on the points of concern. Time to warm up Mr. Leather....

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,21:22    Quote (Glen Davidson @ Sep. 07 2012,16:52) The libelous names you all have called Luskin.  Like "gerbil" and "hamster", when clearly the DIots know that he's really a squirrel. Sheesh, Darwinists. Glen Davidson ETA:  Should have been in the DI thread, though. Nuts to that!

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,21:24    Quote (REC @ Sep. 07 2012,21:35) KF grows weary of Sal's requests he treat entropy correctly, or ya know, actually calculate something:     Quote SC: Pardon, but I have the distinct impression that you are beginning to indulge snip-snipe tactics. In a matter as involved and integrated as this, that is not good enough. <snip crap> I trust this will help you focus attention on the points of concern. Time to warm up Mr. Leather.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....2f7rpKs video related -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Cubist Posts: 558 Joined: Oct. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,23:36    Since we're talking about Top Tard of All Time, I think it would be appropriate to cast the net wider than just whoever's posted on UNCOMMON DISSENT in the past couple weeks. In particular, we really ought to give some consideration to the Tards of bygone days, the prototypical ur-Tards who built the disquieting foundation on which today's Tards have fabricated the fulsome ID façade we all know and tolerate now. Accordingly, there are three people I would like to cast my vote for. One: George McCready Price, a YEC who wrote a number of books proselytizing for the Young-Earth memeplex, including Illogical Geology: The Weakest Point in the Evolution Theory (1906) and, perhaps most relevantly for our purposes, The New Geology (1923). Two and three: John C. Whitcomb and Henry M. Morris, co-authors of The Genesis Flood (1960?), which may be the 'spark' which got the YEC 'fire' burning in earnest.

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2012,00:17    Quote (REC @ Sep. 07 2012,20:35) KF grows weary of Sal's requests he treat entropy correctly, or ya know, actually calculate something:     Quote SC: Pardon, but I have the distinct impression that you are beginning to indulge snip-snipe tactics. In a matter as involved and integrated as this, that is not good enough. <snip crap> I trust this will help you focus attention on the points of concern. Time to warm up Mr. Leather.... Isn't there something missing about half-way between the head and the feet or is all this about surrogates? -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

Freddie Posts: 371 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2012,04:01    Looks like their 'Recent Posts' section is not updating over there.  Bugger.  Now we have to actually search for T.A.R.D. instead of having it presented to us. -------------- Joe: Most criticisims of ID stem from ignorance and jealousy. Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people. Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2012,09:00    Tard nominee, Granville Sewell, author of "Oh Entropy, I Know What You Are But What Am I", presents special to you... Quote Granville Sewell: Other Types of Entropy Entropy™ without all the complicated maths! No sigmas. No statistics. Not even long division! Just like design: If it looks like entropy to you, it's really Entropy™!! Earn your B.S.™ in Entropy™ after only a single one-hour class! Impress your friends! Be more sexually attractive!! Try the latest in low-cal Entropy™ from Granville Sewell!!! * For a limited time, comes with special Entropy™ decoder ring and magnifying glass. Also available in chocolate. * Legal Disclaimer: No actual entropy included.   Legal disclaimer added per advice of counsel. Edited by Zachriel on Sep. 08 2012,09:18 -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2012,10:02    Quote (Cubist @ Sep. 08 2012,00:36) Since we're talking about Top Tard of All Time, I think it would be appropriate to cast the net wider than just whoever's posted on UNCOMMON DISSENT in the past couple weeks. In particular, we really ought to give some consideration to the Tards of bygone days, the prototypical ur-Tards who built the disquieting foundation on which today's Tards have fabricated the fulsome ID façade we all know and tolerate now. Accordingly, there are three people I would like to cast my vote for. One: George McCready Price, a YEC who wrote a number of books proselytizing for the Young-Earth memeplex, including Illogical Geology: The Weakest Point in the Evolution Theory (1906) and, perhaps most relevantly for our purposes, The New Geology (1923). Two and three: John C. Whitcomb and Henry M. Morris, co-authors of The Genesis Flood (1960?), which may be the 'spark' which got the YEC 'fire' burning in earnest. I am a huge fan of the historical approach but that greatly increases the size of the pool of potential nominees.  If you would like to vote for someone associated with here/PT/TO/TR/UD/TSZ/TT or other fora where our members associate please send me a PM.   and i would love to include a category for historical tards -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2012,10:34    If you go too far back you reach a point where dissent was not entirely irrational. I would say the final tipping point was reached in the late 60s with the nearly simultaneous arrival of DNA, neutral theory and plate tectonics. I'm not trying to say you could build a consillient theory of ID  or YEC, but you could still point to major gaps. That era also saw the introduction of evolution into high school texts. Prior to 1970, evolution wasn't mentioned. So in one sense, the space race and the emphasis on science triggered by Sputnik ushered in the era of TARD. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2012,13:52    STOP!   If we are talking about the All-Time Tard, it just has to be Dr. Dr. Dembski.  Period end of story. There is nobody as blind, pathetic, myopic, yet convinced they are right in the annals of annals... He is the alpha and the omega of tard with a beta-version of brains.  The yin and the yang and the yo-yo of tard. He can throw out big words like a true pedant, but believe in angels.  He can debate Christopher Hitchens badly, but believe in his black little heart that he won.   He is All Tard All The Time.  He is The Dr. Dr. Of Tard. added in edit:  Look upon His Big Pile Of Steaming Tard and Despair! Edited by J-Dog on Sep. 10 2012,18:30 -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

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