forastero
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| Quote | Assertion. Evidence Please.
And really. Please explain exactly what the ENDOCRINE system is and how it SELECTS phenotypes.
For extra points, please explain what a phenotype is. |
Just google words like Epigenetic phenotypic plasticity and/or methylation and the endocrine system and you’ll find millions of articles about how ancestral phenotypes are selected by neurotransmitters and various hormones. A phenotype is an observed expression of a gene or combination of genes. Iow, an individual trait or combination of traits that make up an individual. A genotype is combination of genes.
| Quote | OK, you have got to be a Poe.
Assertion, evidence please.
BTW: 'poo' as you so eloquently describe it, is material that is indigestible by whatever organism is ejecting it. Interestingly, many things are indigestible, because the organism has lost the ability to digest that material due to mutation. Oops. |
Hmm..actually poo is important for many food chains and cycles. In fact, I used to use guano and worm poo by the tons in some very elaborate gardens.
| Quote | You might think that, but that only shows how clueless you are about what mutation is and what a genome is.
Consider the human genome. 3 billion pairs of nucleotides, approximately 1.5% of which codes for proteins. The chimpanzee genome differs by about 1.23%. So, when you do some math...
The human genome differs from our nearest relative by 33 million changes. So, as an estimate, you need about 33 million changes from one organism to another. This varies among organisms of course.
You, and other creationists, are the only people who actually think something like this should be possible in evolutionary theory.
It's called a straw-man attack and, as a rhetorical device, it can be effective. In a forum like this, not so much.
I would encourage you to learn about what scientists actually say about evolution... not what creationists have quoted them saying, but their actual peer-reviewed papers.
BTW: We all note that this is STILL an attack on evolution and NOT evidence for design. Evidence for design please. |
Endocrine adaptation is a fact with many verified examples but your so called natural mutation selection is pseudoscience and probably why you refuse to try to explain it
Btw, chimps and humans actually differ by around 5% and chimps. Mice and human share about 98 %.
http://personal.uncc.edu/jmarks....f Chimp Chromosome structure is also much different from humans in that they have have 10% more DNA , more alpha-hemoglobin and Rh bloodgroup genes, and fewer Alu repeats, in their genome than humans. Plus, the tips of their chromosomes contain DNA not present at the tips of human chromosomes.
| Quote | Assertion. Evidence please.
BTW: I can, in cats, point to a mutation, that results in a different phenotype. We know where it happened, when it happened, and which organism had the specific mutation. That mutation has carried through to a completely new breed of cat.
BTW2: I note that you didn't mention the use of the endocrine system in the selection of phenotypes here. Tell us... please. |
Cross breeding dogs does not involve mutations or even real species, so what is your point? I didn’t mention endocrine because cross breeding is phenotypic selection via domestically extracted traits from animals from all over the world. The Endocrine system was involved though
You could mention a cat yet again you didn’t.
| Quote | And yet, I can provide mathematical evidence, experimental evidence, observational evidence for everything I say...
and you can't.
Tell you what. Define species for me and I'll provide the evidence of the change you describe. How about that? |
Again you say you can provide evidence but you don’t.
Species? That depends on whether you are a clumper or splitter? Darwinism is racist in its origin-see preservation of favored races where they called different races different species but in my opinion, if two critters can interbreed and produce fertile offspring then they should be considered the same species no matter how separated they are.
| Quote | Assertion. Evidence please.
I'll point out here that you are using another rhetorical device. It's called 'goalpost shifting'. You make a claim, when that claim is defeated you say something like, "No, that doesn't deal with this claim."
Here we were talking about the massive evidence supporting adaptation and how mutation does not automatically lead to death, but improved fitness. Then you claim that this does not explain speciation.
Of course it doesn't explain speciation. It wasn't intended to, but you have to shift the goalposts to make it look like your argument hasn't been totally devastated.
Tell you what. If you so choose, pick an argument and stick to it, then we can to.
BTW: I can provide dozens of peer-reviewed papers showing single generation speciation and at least on showing a single generation genus change. But that paper is only from 30+ years ago, I don't know why I should expect anyone to know it.
So let me be very clear here. You don't understand cosmology. You don't understand genetics. You use strawman attacks against positions no actual scientists hold. You think quotes are evidence.
Yeah, about what I thought.
I'll make the same offer to you that I do to all creationists. I will voluntarily teach you using actual science. My only requirement is that you want to learn how the world actually works.
At the least, it will give you a better understanding of what you have to do to make valid arguments both for ID and against evolution.
I predict that you won't do it. No creationist I have dealt with in over 20 years has accepted. I know why... do you?
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Before you made this post, I admitted that I provided the Einstein quotes because I thought you were requesting evidence for scientist who believed in ID. Now you are going to desperately grab that straw
Speciation? Goal post shifting? You are projecting your own conformist fervor again. First of all your best examples (enzyme eating bacteria & cycle cell anemia) aren’t even at the speciation level. No wonder y’all wont try to explain to me the origin of the up to 100 different Cambrian phyla.
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