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BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,13:45    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Mar. 05 2008,12:56) Quote Erasmus, I'm really trying to cut down on the directly injected TARD.  Please quit tempting me so. That shit was so good I had to share it.  Absolutely covered with tiny tard crystals. talk about mixed metaphors. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

steve_h Posts: 544 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,14:31    Sal explaining the difference between hypothetically dropping out of a GMU course due to being hopelessy behind with everything and nothing seeming to be sinking in (not true, obviously) ,and being expelled!!oneone! because he is just too brilliantly sciency for them (yeah that's it)?     Quote Thank you Dembskian, I had worried that the universities would tell me some day:       Quote Dear Salvador, You criticized Darwin on the internet and in print and in blogs, therefore even though you have a 4.0 in an Applied Physics grad program at Johns Hopkins you will be expelled. Further you’ll be expelled becuase you intend to use your degree for the furtherance of the Christian faith. By the way, forget the inalienable rights conferred to you by your Creator. Your creator was Darwinian processes, and he doesn’t give a hoot about you…your civil rights don’t count since Judge Jones ruled it is unconstitutional to criticize Darwin. I decided, if that happens, well, fine. I’m honored to be a martyr. I simply request the schools be forthright about the reasons I’ll be dismissed or denied opportunity to get a diploma. They need to spell out Darwinism’s relevance to physics. Did I miss their explanation when they expelled a professor of physics named Guillermo Gonzalez?

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,14:51    Quote (steve_h @ Mar. 06 2008,14:31) Sal explaining the difference between hypothetically dropping out of a GMU course due to being hopelessy behind with everything and nothing seeming to be sinking in (not true, obviously) ,and being expelled!!oneone! because he is just too brilliantly sciency for them (yeah that's it)?         Quote Thank you Dembskian, I had worried that the universities would tell me some day:           Quote Dear Salvador, You criticized Darwin on the internet and in print and in blogs, therefore even though you have a 4.0 in an Applied Physics grad program at Johns Hopkins you will be expelled. Further you’ll be expelled becuase you intend to use your degree for the furtherance of the Christian faith. By the way, forget the inalienable rights conferred to you by your Creator. Your creator was Darwinian processes, and he doesn’t give a hoot about you…your civil rights don’t count since Judge Jones ruled it is unconstitutional to criticize Darwin. I decided, if that happens, well, fine. I’m honored to be a martyr. I simply request the schools be forthright about the reasons I’ll be dismissed or denied opportunity to get a diploma. They need to spell out Darwinism’s relevance to physics. Did I miss their explanation when they expelled a professor of physics named Guillermo Gonzalez? Carlsonjok, can you point me toward the post I made last fall where I predicted that the only reason Sal wanted to go to grad school was to set himself to be a Martyr for JesusID just like Gonzalez? I didn't think it would happen so soon or that he would admit it so brazenly. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,14:53    Quote Sal: “Peter was admonishing believing wives that the best way to convert an unbelieving husband was to keep quiet and refrain from their natural tendency to preach and lecture others on how to run their lives.” Quote Rzeppa: "Of course he was. Because it’s not the wife’s job to “lecture her husband on how to run his life”. The place of a wife in the God-given hierarchy of human relations in helpful submission to her husband." No comment necessary. -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,15:15    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 06 2008,14:51) Carlsonjok, can you point me toward the post I made last fall where I predicted that the only reason Sal wanted to go to grad school was to set himself to be a Martyr for JesusID just like Gonzalez? I didn't think it would happen so soon or that he would admit it so brazenly. Always willing to lend a helping hand to special folks like you.  Bless your heart. HAR HAR THIS IS YOU -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,15:30    Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 06 2008,15:15)   Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 06 2008,14:51) Carlsonjok, can you point me toward the post I made last fall where I predicted that the only reason Sal wanted to go to grad school was to set himself to be a Martyr for JesusID just like Gonzalez? I didn't think it would happen so soon or that he would admit it so brazenly. Always willing to lend a helping hand to special folks like you.  Bless your heart. HAR HAR THIS IS YOU Carlson, thanks much. It's nice to know all I have to do is snap my fingers and you'll do whatever I say. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Tom Ames Posts: 238 Joined: Dec. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,15:38    Quote (steve_h @ Mar. 06 2008,12:31) Sal explaining the difference between hypothetically dropping out of a GMU course due to being hopelessy behind with everything and nothing seeming to be sinking in (not true, obviously) ,and being expelled!!oneone! because he is just too brilliantly sciency for them (yeah that's it)?         Quote Thank you Dembskian, I had worried that the universities would tell me some day:           Quote Dear Salvador, You criticized Darwin on the internet and in print and in blogs, therefore even though you have a 4.0 in an Applied Physics grad program at Johns Hopkins you will be expelled. Further you’ll be expelled becuase you intend to use your degree for the furtherance of the Christian faith. By the way, forget the inalienable rights conferred to you by your Creator. Your creator was Darwinian processes, and he doesn’t give a hoot about you…your civil rights don’t count since Judge Jones ruled it is unconstitutional to criticize Darwin. I decided, if that happens, well, fine. I’m honored to be a martyr. I simply request the schools be forthright about the reasons I’ll be dismissed or denied opportunity to get a diploma. They need to spell out Darwinism’s relevance to physics. Did I miss their explanation when they expelled a professor of physics named Guillermo Gonzalez? If this turns out to be true, remember that you saw it here first. -------------- -Tom Ames

Maya Posts: 702 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,15:42    Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Mar. 06 2008,14:53) Quote Sal: “Peter was admonishing believing wives that the best way to convert an unbelieving husband was to keep quiet and refrain from their natural tendency to preach and lecture others on how to run their lives.” Quote Rzeppa: "Of course he was. Because it’s not the wife’s job to “lecture her husband on how to run his life”. The place of a wife in the God-given hierarchy of human relations in helpful submission to her husband." No comment necessary. If and when I marry, I'll be glad to help my husband learn submission.  And to think I considered all those nice ID boys to be misogynists....

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,15:45    Frosty:     Quote Dembski, I hope the next time there is a court cause that you go and spell out your universal probability bound and explain to the judge that mathematical logic is how all scientific reasoning is done and hence the design inference is by necessity scientific. And if you guys manage to win the next court case please send a letter to Dawkins from all of us here at UD thanking him for his accidental true statements. I sense a very bright future for ID and I want to thank you Bill for your work- especially your two books NFL and DI- their contributions have proven to be priceless and perhaps in the not to distant future you will have accomplished what only a very select few “greats” have managed to accomplish- to swing the paradigm of science away from materialistic narcissism and back towards due respect for the divine designer of all things. The movie Expelled is a sign that you (and us) are on the right track despite what the media says. Cant wait to see the movie. Has to be a joke. It uses the word "priceless" to describe Dembski's works, quite correctly. It smarmily rubs Dembski's Dover retreat in his face. If this post isn't an intentional troll, it's pure madness. Also on that thread: Does Dembski not see the difference between something being a scientific question in principle, and whether the current research on a topic is scientific? For instance, whether or not people can psychically bend spoons, read minds, and predict the future is strictly a scientific question. This does not make anything and everything said or done regarding spoon-bending, mind-reading, and prediction "scientific". Miss Cleo, for instance, is not a scientist by any definition I know. -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,16:12    Quote (Annyday @ Mar. 06 2008,16:45) Miss Cleo, for instance, is not a scientist by any definition I know. She is by the one Behe gave in court. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,16:12    Quote (Annyday @ Mar. 06 2008,13:45) Miss Cleo, for instance, is not a scientist by any definition I know. You're not familiar with Behe's definition, then? Edit: Feh!  Lou beat me to it! -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,16:15    Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 06 2008,17:12) Quote (Annyday @ Mar. 06 2008,13:45) Miss Cleo, for instance, is not a scientist by any definition I know. You're not familiar with Behe's definition, then? Edit: Feh!  Lou beat me to it! You gotta be quick around here. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,17:14    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 06 2008,15:30) Carlson, thanks much. It's nice to know all I have to do is snap my fingers and you'll do whatever I say. You exhibit a surprising lack of gratitude for someone who is apparently too inept to use the ATBC archive.  Asking one of your betters for help, then biting the hand charitably extended to you is an act worthy of the ID crowd.  Coupled with your complusive need to comment on everything, along with your complete lack of any sense of humor, I think I can make a design inference. Arden = = -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,18:41    Yes, yes, Carlson, don't worry, we all appreciate you. Incidentally, Carlson, I'm doing a research paper, and I need you to find me ten times in late 2005 in which Davison said "I love it so". With links, as usual. Chop chop. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,19:42    Waaaah waaah atheists! - WAD gets his shorts in a bunch over a degree in "scientific literacy" which seems to be a bit negative toward ID. And the big tent seems to include Bedouins; a commenter named Ahmed Aouin chimes in with this incomprehensible yet hilarious post   Quote Is a hope Intelligent Desnig is to be part of this course? Congratulations Doktor Dembski! That one must be the offspring of some diabolical tryst involving Larry Fafarman and VMartin... -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,19:53    Quote (jupiter @ Mar. 05 2008,20:25) Why won't anyone think of the children? How many of you have equipped your tykes with Armor of God jammies? (Lou, port this to the Bathroom Wall if you like, since it's the seeds 'n' stems of the leafy tard.) I call sockpuppets.

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,20:22    Quote (Maya @ Mar. 06 2008,15:42)   Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Mar. 06 2008,14:53)     Quote Sal: “Peter was admonishing believing wives that the best way to convert an unbelieving husband was to keep quiet and refrain from their natural tendency to preach and lecture others on how to run their lives.”     Quote Rzeppa: "Of course he was. Because it’s not the wife’s job to “lecture her husband on how to run his life”. The place of a wife in the God-given hierarchy of human relations in helpful submission to her husband." No comment necessary. If and when I marry, I'll be glad to help my husband learn submission.  And to think I considered all those nice ID boys to be misogynists.... I can get a ring and some chaps and we can go to Vegas. You game? Related to UD: Check this out. What's Turkish like, as a language? I see the umlaut, and the "creationimus", and the "Doktor", and it just feels Germanic. Or like a VMartin parody. Then again, I'm not a linguist. -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,20:28    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 06 2008,18:41) Incidentally, Carlson, I'm doing a research paper, and I need you to find me ten times in late 2005 in which Davison said "I love it so". With links, as usual. Chop chop. An obvious trick question, Chucklehead.  As you will see here, Davison was on sabbatical from July 2003 to August 2006.  You are going to have to bring more than that weak-ass shit, because I am just too smart for you. HA HA THIS IS ME -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,21:54    HAR HAR THIS IS ONE OF YOU: http://www.uncommondescent.com/educati....-177626 Quote 19 Mung 03/06/2008 10:39 pm Hey Sal. Do you think there is anything in ID itself that would warrant the cessation of your own self promotion? Seriously, what I find most repellent about you is the tendency towards self-promotion. No one really cares about who you have been seen with, or whose company you can say you were in. I’ve met William Dembski. He even responded to a question I asked. So what? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2008,00:56    Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Mar. 06 2008,19:42) Waaaah waaah atheists! - WAD gets his shorts in a bunch over a degree in "scientific literacy" which seems to be a bit negative toward ID. And the big tent seems to include Bedouins; a commenter named Ahmed Aouin chimes in with this incomprehensible yet hilarious post     Quote Is a hope Intelligent Desnig is to be part of this course? Congratulations Doktor Dembski! That one must be the offspring of some diabolical tryst involving Larry Fafarman and VMartin... From some of his other posts there, he's Turkish, and his English is poor.  It's often difficult to work out if the person is trying to say something nuts, or if they just aren't able to express themselves clearly in a foreign language. I'd suggest that any jokes about his language skills have to be made in Turkish.  :-) Is AussieID a sockpuppet? Quote I remember when I was doing my Degree that one lecturer basically stated that to pass his subject you had to buy his book … and use it as the only frame of reference. I wonder what texts will be on offer in this course, and what would hapen to the student who dared question the party line? -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2008,01:06    For high-quality, concentrated science, have a look at the Journal of Evolutionary Informatics' Instructions to Authors Quote Sorry. We are not yet accepting manuscripts. I guess they're trying as hard as they can, but it's not easy when you only have a broom cupboard.  But then we get this footnote: Quote The material on this Web site does not necessarily represent the views of the employers of JOEI's volunteers - but it should. Someone a bit bitter? (JOEI is a rather unfortunate acronym, especially if you're Britsh and of a certain age to remember Mr. Deacon) -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2008,01:18    Ah, Joey Deacon. His plight and incredible will to overcome were retold on children's program "Blue Peter". This touching tale of a man overcoming adversity was utterly wasted on the most contemptible subset of society: English Children. Not only did "joey!" and "Deacon!" become playground taunts but also "Ernie!", who was Joey's friend who through some method unknown was able to understand Joey's noises and so tell his tale for him. Even today he has a cult following, google "Deaconists" if you must. FtK, don't you do it, your knickers will never dry if you do. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2008,01:29    Davetard: http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-177641 Quote ...Cells where the background replication error rate is accelerated due to environmental insults (carcinogenic chemicals and ionizing radiation) are more apt to become cancerous. So I guess one can say that most cancers are caused by genetic entropy. Interesting concept. An input from outside of the "closed system" in contributing to "genetic entropy" increase! -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2008,06:47    bFast proposes a simulation.     Quote bFast: 1111111222 2212112211 1221212112 1112222121 1212221112 1112212112 1112122121 1122212212 1221122222 1121121121 2221122222 2221112122 1121121112 2221222212 1222211212 1221212121 1221111221 1122121111 1122212112 1212112222 SUM = 301 Bob O'H: you’re illustrating a well known problem, genetic drift. With a population size of 5, the relative fitness has to be very large to have a visible effect. Drift is a large factor in small populations, so even alleles which reduce fitness can become fixed. Bob O'H makes an important point. Some alleles will become fixed even without selection. Meanwhile, in a reasonable population of competitors, their overall fitness will tend to improve. That inevitably means more and more individual alleles will improve, even if particular alleles are gained or lost along the way. This is an example of how global pressure can bring about local changes. -- Update: The results are much as expected. In a recent run, I used a 100x100 grid for a population of 10000. Each genome is 100. When a replication occurs, there is a 10% chance of a mutation. Only 1's and 2's are allowed thus far. The child then displaces a weaker neighbor, if any. This creates a nice nested distribution of varieties across the grid. After 100 generations, the average fitness is about 1.8 per allele. The corners of the grid tend to have more primitive varieties. This is a typical genome: 1212112211 2122222212 2222212222 2222222221 2122222221 2212222122 2122122211 1222221212 1222222112 2122222222 Next step is to allow very rare 2-to-3 mutations. I'm also considering some sort of sexual recombination, but watching 1's doin' it doesn't strike me as particularly interesting. -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2008,07:14    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 06 2008,21:54) HAR HAR THIS IS ONE OF YOU: http://www.uncommondescent.com/educati....-177626     Quote 19 Mung 03/06/2008 10:39 pm Hey Sal. Do you think there is anything in ID itself that would warrant the cessation of your own self promotion? Seriously, what I find most repellent about you is the tendency towards self-promotion. No one really cares about who you have been seen with, or whose company you can say you were in. I’ve met William Dembski. He even responded to a question I asked. So what? Mung makes up for years of tard emissions.

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2008,13:05    HEY!  WHERE'S OUR FRIDAY MELTDOWN???!!! Damn you Dembski!  You trained me like one of Pavlov's Dogs... It's Friday... We're waiting... -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2008,06:36    DS appears to have a very high opinion of himself     Quote I’m not sure which prior century the Darwinians are pulling their understanding of the laws of thermodynamics from but it sure isn’t the 20th or 21st centuries. Those laws were generalized a long time ago from thermal order to other types of order and in the latter 20th century were generalized to objective ( Shannon)information as well. I don’t know if they’ve been generalized to include subjective information before but I just did and given the ease of doing it I can’t imagine I’m the first. Pathetic fool. Go get published DS, face criticism from people other then the (mostly) morons you allow to post at UD.   Quote Now it may very well be that there are unknown physical laws in operation which cause intelligent life to emerge from them just like the known physical laws that produce snowflakes and other crystalline order from unordered matter but until those laws can be described they are nothing more than flights of fantasy and I will readily concede that Darwinian chance worshippers are experienced pilots in the fantasy airline. The "known physical laws"? Is DS under the impression that the "theory of everything" has been found that also predicts all constants with 100% accuracy and can resolve any problem that can be posed with 100% accuracy? If so, we can whip up one of Granville's simulations and find out if life is an emergent property of the laws of physics! Funny thing is, it's already been done and here we are. I guess DS is waiting for the DVD edition of the origin of life, we'll get that once we invent those time machines I guess. Link And of course when DS mentions 2LOT we have to repeat the classic comment   Quote Intelligence can violate 2LOT. In fact I just did it again by writing this comment! Doubly (triply?) ironic then that DS said in the same thread   Quote Come back to me when you really do know your ass from your elbow in science. I could even live long enough for that to happen if you start right now and devote your life to the task. No wonder DS is scared to venture outside the safe confines of UD where he can revise history to his hearts content. And presumably thinking he's violating 2LOT by doing it. Link -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2008,08:01    Why DaveTard REALLY likes this cartoon: -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2008,09:23    Quote (Zachriel @ Mar. 07 2008,06:47) bFast proposes a simulation. Quote bFast: 1111111222 2212112211 1221212112 1112222121 1212221112 1112212112 1112122121 1122212212 1221122222 1121121121 2221122222 2221112122 1121121112 2221222212 1222211212 1221212121 1221111221 1122121111 1122212112 1212112222 SUM = 301 Allele Simulator uses a typical selection criteria called The Early Bird Gets the Worm, also known as I only need to outrun you, Albert. In other words, strong positive selection. Lately, I've allowed very rare 2-to-3 mutations. Of course, while some are lost, once established they tend to quickly dominate the population. I have tried to contact bFast to make sure I have represented his model correctly. The only contact I have found is at ISCID. Someone might want to give bFast a heads up. * Niels Bohr and Albert Einstein were taking a walk in the woods, vigorously debating the philosophical underpinnings of quantum theory, when a gigantic bear suddenly burst out of the underbrush and raced toward them. Niels immediately whipped out his fine running shoes and began lacing them up. Einstein, furrowing his brow at Bohr, said: "Niels, there's no way you can outrun that bear." "That's true," Bohr calmly replied, "but I don't need to outrun the bear. I only need to outrun you, Albert." -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2008,11:37    Zachriel - done.  I wonder if bFast will acknowledge you. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

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