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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,01:58

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KF on Christina Shellska's Discovering the Discovery Institute:

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This is an ideological hit piece in the guise of research. An arts student will not normally be in a position to evaluate a technical scientific case on a controversial matter, even if she has some phil and history of sci. Communication strategies have little or nothing to do with it.

KF

A lawyer, however ... ?

Ooh, ooh, found a better one!

KF

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PS: My son just advised me to be plain. Ms Shellska, you don’t have the relevant technical qualifications (much less facts) to speak with credibility on this matter. Please, think again.

Anyone know where I can get a second-hand irony meter?

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,02:39

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I wonder if this post by The Whole Truth is what set KF off??

Well, at the time I thought it was a bit drastic. But the lady in question linked Dahmer with Darwin shortly afterwards.

Although I've made fun of KF quite often myself I wonder if it wouldn't be better to just ignore him. UD is dead and I doubt that any poor soul over there would really read KF's writings. In addition, I must admit that I've stopped reading the whole truth's comments quite some time ago because I don't like his obsessed style and because they are rather about what he thinks is KF's personality than contributing much to the discussion about UD/ID. He is repeating the same stories again and again, most of it being just ad hominem and I really don't like his illustrations.

this this this this this this

big pile of TL;DR

What does "TL;DR" mean?

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,02:54

Quote (The whole truth @ Aug. 01 2012,08:39)

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I wonder if this post by The Whole Truth is what set KF off??

Well, at the time I thought it was a bit drastic. But the lady in question linked Dahmer with Darwin shortly afterwards.

Although I've made fun of KF quite often myself I wonder if it wouldn't be better to just ignore him. UD is dead and I doubt that any poor soul over there would really read KF's writings. In addition, I must admit that I've stopped reading the whole truth's comments quite some time ago because I don't like his obsessed style and because they are rather about what he thinks is KF's personality than contributing much to the discussion about UD/ID. He is repeating the same stories again and again, most of it being just ad hominem and I really don't like his illustrations.

this this this this this this

big pile of TL;DR

What does "TL;DR" mean?

"Too Lazy; Didn't Google"

Oh hang on, that's TL;DG . . .

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,04:52

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Aug. 01 2012,07:58)

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Aug. 01 2012,01:50)

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KF on Christina Shellska's Discovering the Discovery Institute:

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This is an ideological hit piece in the guise of research. An arts student will not normally be in a position to evaluate a technical scientific case on a controversial matter, even if she has some phil and history of sci. Communication strategies have little or nothing to do with it.

KF

A lawyer, however ... ?

Ooh, ooh, found a better one!

KF

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PS: My son just advised me to be plain. Ms Shellska, you don’t have the relevant technical qualifications (much less facts) to speak with credibility on this matter. Please, think again.

Anyone know where I can get a second-hand irony meter?

I think that comment from KF could result in a world wide shortage of Irony meters.

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,05:37

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Celebration of the divine feminine in kairosfocus' backyard!

Only if you shave it first! :O

PoTW!!

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,05:42

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KF on Christina Shellska's Discovering the Discovery Institute:

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This is an ideological hit piece in the guise of research. An arts student will not normally be in a position to evaluate a technical scientific case on a controversial matter, even if she has some phil and history of sci. Communication strategies have little or nothing to do with it.

A sad day for Commonwealth learning.

KF

Christina's money quote:

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I argue that the Discovery Institute has “rebranded” creationism as ID, and that its strategies include attempts to disrupt the translation of evolution into education and the broader public.

Looks spot on to me.

Edited to Spell Christina's name correctly.

Edited by CeilingCat on Aug. 01 2012,06:32

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,06:26

They can't see the Forrest for the trees. ID is as ID does.

What it does is apologetics.

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,06:41

Sal:

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I believe David Anderson is the same David Anderson who should be credited with almost single handedly demolishing the BCSE (the British counterpart to the NCSE). He is also an Oxford trained mathematician and pastor. So, for sure he is an esteemed brother.

ugh.

David Anderson:

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"An eye would be irreducibly complex, because without a number of inter-dependent parts, it can't do anything useful."

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"if any real fact contradicts the Bible, then the Bible can't change - it must just be adjudged to be false. If the universe wasn't created in six days by Jehovah, or if Jesus Christ didn't rise from the dead bodily, then Christianity is false."

Yet on UD he just said:

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My position as a Christian is not that I can prove every statement in the Bible, or even most of them, to be true.

Just another LFJ.

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"They were created on the sixth day, as man was (which is why scientists have actually recovered real dinosaur flesh and blood - which is impossible if they died 65 million years ago - and why there are many evidences from history of man seeing dinosaurs)."

Reality:

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Conclusion
So can you trust David Anderson to give a reliable and unbiased account of the BCSE? I don't think so, but please have a good look around and make up your own mind.
David can't even give a reasonable and unbiased account of the changes he makes to his own web site about his own qualifications so I seriously doubt his credentials as either an unbiased or a rational observer.
The BCSE is here to keep creationism out of the science classroom, David's purpose in life seems to be to get creationism into all aspects of other people's lives. It is no wonder he seems to hate the BCSE so much.
His current blog, which mostly stays away from BCSE topics, reveals even more extreme opinions from him including the revelations that he is against democracy and that he calls homosexuals perverts.
Having a chap with those kinds of views smearing the BCSE is perhaps not such a bad thing after all.

Link

Should fit right in at UD then...

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,08:20

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It would be nice if there were 1500 Richard Sternbergs to help with ID.

scordova August 1, 2012 at 7:10 am

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-429053

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,08:21

If Sal wants 1500 Sternbergs then perhaps a good start would be that Sal goes back to university and studies biology? 1499 to go!

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whereas the bulk of evolutionary theory is ciruclarly reasoned speculation that flies in the face of facts and logical theory.

Is it your expertise in Physics that allows you to state that with 100% certainty Sal?

Perhaps you should write down the evidence for that claim and show somebody?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,09:17

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Ever since k.e.. posted his er... review of Montseratt, I've been doing some Googling of the travel pages and it looks like a thousand bucks will buy you round trip airfare from Chicago in Feburary which is probably the height of the tourist season.

You can rent a beach house on a cliff overlooking the ocean for $45 a night and if you have any spare marbles that have to be moved through a garden hose, that will run you $50-$60. There seems to be sufficient alcohol available on the island and the local constabulary hauls in an occasional thousand marijuana plants from the surrounding mountainsides, which means that there are probably another 9000 they miss, so that's taken care of.

In short, I'm thinking of an Uncommonly Dense February meet-n-greet on the other "Emerald Isle". We could soak up the sun, play in the surf, go snorkling, investigate the night life, race marbles through hoses and maybe on Sunday morning go to church and listen to the one and only Kairos Focus preach live.

Or, we might get lucky and the volcano would blow up the whole island, thus saving us from KF. Either way, it would be a vacation to remember.

if this becomes a go i'm in!

We could go for the complete meltdown by holding a Tantra workshop on Montseratt. I know a few teachers who could probably be convinced if there were enough guaranteed attendees.

Celebration of the divine feminine in kairosfocus' backyard!

That means I'm going to have to cancel my trip to Montserrat and get a ticket to Jamaica, then.

I'm telling, Patrick! Rebbbeccccaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!

I worry that I spend too much time reading closely related blogs when I immediately understand references like this.

ETA: I feel safe and welcome at AtBC.

Edited by Patrick on Aug. 01 2012,10:19

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,09:34

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ETA: I feel safe and welcome at AtBC.

Maybe you shouldn't (evil smiley)...

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,09:35

deleted unedited version (some board error message showed up on my screen while an unfinished version appeared here)

see next comment for the final version

Edited by sparc on Aug. 01 2012,09:40

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,09:37

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ID work is minimal relative to what we would like to actually do if we had access to those funds.

ID research is more time than cost intensive: Buy some car, plane and train wrecks collect them in a junk yard and just wait.

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,09:48

The IDiots are all santorum over a talk given over a year ago.
Ms. Shellska's talk is on-line.

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,10:16

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ID work is minimal relative to what we would like to actually do if we had access to those funds.

ID research is more time than cost intensive: Buy some car, plane and train wrecks collect them in a junk yard and just wait.

Wasn't the DI budget something like $8 million for advertising, promotions, and marketing? And then $2.40 for tick spray for Joe's 'experiment'?

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,10:26

What difference does it make how much they spend breeding crocaducks?

Behe and Axe seem to realize that the only way ID holds if the "gaps" are unbridgeable, and they seem to spend all their time looking for ways to avoid confronting that.

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,10:37

Quote (CeilingCat @ Aug. 01 2012,03:42)

Edited to Spell Christina's name correctly.

Her name seems to be Christine Shellska.

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,10:54

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ETA: I feel safe and welcome at AtBC.

Maybe you shouldn't (evil smiley)...

Are you trying to use your canine privilege to oppress me?

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,12:35

My five-year-old just pointed out how silly Dr.GH's avatar was. I asked him why it was silly.

He said, crocodiles don't have bird wings.

So much for the "common sense" approach to science. Even a 5-year-old knows that you can't mix two animals like that.

I need to point out that we spent an hour yesterday watching a NatGeo special on salt water crocodiles in Australia. I suspect he knows more Biology than the DI denizens combined.

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,14:11

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My five-year-old just pointed out how silly Dr.GH's avatar was. I asked him why it was silly.

He said, crocodiles don't have bird wings.

So much for the "common sense" approach to science. Even a 5-year-old knows that you can't mix two animals like that.

I need to point out that we spent an hour yesterday watching a NatGeo special on salt water crocodiles in Australia. I suspect he knows more Biology than the DI denizens combined.

I hope you set him right by explaining that it was a duck with teeth.

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,14:27

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I suspect he knows more Biology than the DI denizens combined.

I'll bet he doesn't "know" as many things that are flat out wrong, though!

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,14:58

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johnnyb:

I would strongly suggest an ID conference with a focus on developing rigorous, testable ID hypotheses for the engineering of biological systems. The core of the conference should be heavily steeped in biology and engineering.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-428925

Reminds me of being 11 years old and building forts and planning wars. God I miss all that. I can understand why some people never give it up.

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,15:15

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Genomicus July 30, 2012 at 10:00 pm

johnnyb:

I would strongly suggest an ID conference with a focus on developing rigorous, testable ID hypotheses for the engineering of biological systems. The core of the conference should be heavily steeped in biology and engineering.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-428925

Reminds me of being 11 years old and building forts and planning wars. God I miss all that. I can understand why some people never give it up.

and imagining how you can have sex with seven people at once. i guess for johnnyb he should aim low. like, one people once.

re montserrat, if we have a new age conclave replete with goat sacrifice, trollops with shaven withers in a high cholesterol foodie orgy, then i insist we invite gordon to give the opening prayer. OK how about the closing prayer since he will never shut the fuck up and we'll all be ready to do some naked yoga with the animals. sounds great

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,15:42

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Genomicus July 30, 2012 at 10:00 pm

johnnyb:

I would strongly suggest an ID conference with a focus on developing rigorous, testable ID hypotheses for the engineering of biological systems. The core of the conference should be heavily steeped in biology and engineering.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-428925

Reminds me of being 11 years old and building forts and planning wars. God I miss all that. I can understand why some people never give it up.

and imagining how you can have sex with seven people at once. i guess for johnnyb he should aim low. like, one people once.

re montserrat, if we have a new age conclave replete with goat sacrifice, trollops with shaven withers in a high cholesterol foodie orgy, then i insist we invite gordon to give the opening prayer. OK how about the closing prayer since he will never shut the fuck up and we'll all be ready to do some naked yoga with the animals. sounds great

His opening prayer would be the closing prayer as well. What we call a filibuster he calls a short talk.

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,17:12

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What does "TL;DR" mean?

too long, didn't read

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,18:43

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Genomicus July 30, 2012 at 10:00 pm

johnnyb:

I would strongly suggest an ID conference with a focus on developing rigorous, testable ID hypotheses for the engineering of biological systems. The core of the conference should be heavily steeped in biology and engineering.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-428925

Reminds me of being 11 years old and building forts and planning wars. God I miss all that. I can understand why some people never give it up.

and imagining how you can have sex with seven people at once. i guess for johnnyb he should aim low. like, one people once.

re montserrat, if we have a new age conclave replete with goat sacrifice, trollops with shaven withers in a high cholesterol foodie orgy, then i insist we invite gordon to give the opening prayer. OK how about the closing prayer since he will never shut the fuck up and we'll all be ready to do some naked yoga with the animals. sounds great

His opening prayer would be the closing prayer as well. What we call a filibuster he calls a short talk.

I can hear a KF prayer now:
"Dear Lord
blah, blah, blah x 1000000
Amen"

sighs of relief from congregation...

"P.S. blah, blah"

moans of agony from congregation...

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,18:51

Physicists have converted information into energy.

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The first demonstration of an information-heat engine could revolutionise the way nanomachines get their power.

I'm sure there's no way that the denizens of UD could quote mine this research to show how quantum entanglement means goddidit.

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Posted: Aug. 01 2012,18:53

dude, if we are doing naked yoga with some goats and shit and the shaven divine feminine, with elevator guy and Mr. Leathers and some banana clumps, there aint no way in hell i am going to wait for gordon to get finished jabbering at the sky. so, moans aint gonna be all agony that's what i am saying.

what do you think gordon would do if he was confronted with a human having sex with three different phyla while j-dog roasted rats over an open flame and these hippies beat on the drums as kristine shimmies? i predict he'd finally have that long deserved stroke. it would sound like someone had let go of an untied balloon, all up in that shitty rock he calls home

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

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