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k.e.. Posts: 2498 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2012,07:52    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 28 2012,06:51) Quote (fnxtr @ June 27 2012,22:47) He's moving his family to Iowa... where's he going? The DI has started a new service - the Witless Protection Program. POTW! -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clownDaveTard suit." dogdidit Abbie Smith (ERV) who's got to be the most obnoxious arrogant snot I've ever seen except for when I look in a mirror. DAVE TARD

The whole truth Posts: 899 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2012,08:21    Quote (Bob O'H @ June 29 2012,05:09) Quote Have any of you ever seen an IDiot arguing that there's NO junk DNA in a slug, or a maggot, or a petunia, or a fungus? How about a chimp? I seriously doubt that they would be offended at the suggestion, or even absolute proof, of there being "junk" DNA in 'lower life forms'. It's all about humans, well, the special-ness of 'faithful', 'chosen' humans that is. I remember DaveScot suggesting that junk DNA might be involved with creating consciousness. I used mildew as my counter-example. :-) Sounds interesting. Would you be willing to elaborate a bit more? -------------- Fellatio is in fact a type of sodomy - gordon e mullings I don't even know what that means- "study CSI". - joe g Joe G is the only person I have ever encountered who could start a fight in an empty room and still manage to lose. - Amadan

Henry J Posts: 3734 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2012,08:37    Quote (The whole truth @ June 29 2012,07:21) Quote (Bob O'H @ June 29 2012,05:09) Quote Have any of you ever seen an IDiot arguing that there's NO junk DNA in a slug, or a maggot, or a petunia, or a fungus? How about a chimp? I seriously doubt that they would be offended at the suggestion, or even absolute proof, of there being "junk" DNA in 'lower life forms'. It's all about humans, well, the special-ness of 'faithful', 'chosen' humans that is. I remember DaveScot suggesting that junk DNA might be involved with creating consciousness. I used mildew as my counter-example. :-) Sounds interesting. Would you be willing to elaborate a bit more? Wasn't he the one that grew mushrooms in his basement? Maybe that's why!

The whole truth Posts: 899 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2012,09:46    Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 29 2012,05:29) Summertime - when newsworthy topics get scarce and journalists have to scrape the bottom of the barrel ... DeNews brings the dregs straight to UD:     Quote Remember serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer? Darwinism played a role in his crimes too ... Add this one to the files about the Darwin-driven Columbine shooter and Finnish school shooter. And Norwegian mass murder Anders Breivik, who tumbled a generous dollop of Darwin in with the Norse gods … Click for bottom of barrel Edited spelling and vocabulary I'm tempted to click on the link but I'd rather not add clicks to UD's visitor count. Just seeing that much of o'leary's post is more than enough anyway.   I'll try to hold back what I really feel and just say (for now) that o'leary is a sick, twisted, shriveled up, frigid, completely insane, totally fucked up old prune. She also has a real bad or real selective memory and has conveniently forgotten or ignored the fact that enormous numbers of people have been killed, raped, molested, plundered, punished, imprisoned, tortured, lied to, brainwashed, enslaved, oppressed, etc., in the name of her religion. Isn't it convenient that she never brings that up and only condemns what she thinks are 'Darwinists'? Also, many cultures have been deliberately wiped out or severely altered and stifled by the catholic cult, and that agenda to 'convert' everyone on Earth into the cult of catholicism is still going on. The catholic cult, to which o'leary eagerly belongs, is as vile and destructive a cult as the world has ever seen. Her so-called 'church' and religion makes the low-lifes she brought up look like rank amateurs when it comes to being monstrous and murderous. -------------- Fellatio is in fact a type of sodomy - gordon e mullings I don't even know what that means- "study CSI". - joe g Joe G is the only person I have ever encountered who could start a fight in an empty room and still manage to lose. - Amadan

Amadan Posts: 1198 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2012,09:56    Quote (midwifetoad @ June 28 2012,20:28) Can calling an attorney incompetent be construed as a personal attack? It's more of a professional qualification! (Quickly hides law degree) -------------- "People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011 JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

JohnW Posts: 1925 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2012,11:08    Quote (Bob O'H @ June 29 2012,05:09) Quote Have any of you ever seen an IDiot arguing that there's NO junk DNA in a slug, or a maggot, or a petunia, or a fungus? How about a chimp? I seriously doubt that they would be offended at the suggestion, or even absolute proof, of there being "junk" DNA in 'lower life forms'. It's all about humans, well, the special-ness of 'faithful', 'chosen' humans that is. I remember DaveScot suggesting that junk DNA might be involved with creating consciousness. I used mildew as my counter-example. :-) Why didn't you use UD as your counter-example? -------------- It always amazes me to no end that people who find the Bible abhorent seem to focus only on the few instances where God commands a city destroyed. - FTK

Robin Posts: 1358 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2012,11:17    Quote (The whole truth @ June 29 2012,09:46) She also has a real bad or real selective memory and has conveniently forgotten or ignored the fact that enormous numbers of people have been killed, raped, molested, plundered, punished, imprisoned, tortured, lied to, brainwashed, enslaved, oppressed, etc., in the name of her religion. Isn't it convenient that she never brings that up and only condemns what she thinks are 'Darwinists'? Also, many cultures have been deliberately wiped out or severely altered and stifled by the catholic cult, and that agenda to 'convert' everyone on Earth into the cult of catholicism is still going on. Yeah, but they were all Teh Evulz so it's ok... -------------- we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

dvunkannon Posts: 1359 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2012,11:37    Quote (CeilingCat @ June 29 2012,05:01) Denyse has come up with a Salvador-worthy remark.   VJ Torley has an article on UD, Beyond a Joke, where he fills in some details on ACE (Accellerated Christian Education) and their textbooks, which are now elegible for government funds in Louisiana.  They are the ones who said that the Loch Ness Monster is real and a dinosaur. Basically, ACE is much worse than you've heard and VJ is properly shocked.  He gets a lot of information from a guy named Jonny Scaramanga, a Brit who endured four years at an ACE school before a nervous breakdown bought his freedom.  Wonder of Wonders, VJ even gives a link to Jonny's testimony on, of all places, Pharyngula! VJ also gives a lot of other unsavory detail about ACE - their support of Apartheid, their flattering info on the Klan, etc.  (I don't think VJ realizes how much of a political power the KKK was in turn of the 20th century America.  I've seen a picture of a KKK parade through the streets of my Wisconsin city in the early 20th century, for instance.  The Klansmen were in full regalia, including hoods, and the first ranks of the parade consisted of uniformed policemen!) Anyway, VJ has printed a good story about one of the major publishers supplying Christian schools and home schoolers. Denyse, who brought ACE up in the first place and who didn't seem to believe it was real, then blows herself out of the water with the first reply:           Quote Good work, Torley! In a back-handed way, it shows the value of school vouchers. If vouchers weren’t involved, it wouldn’t have come to public attention in the same way. Thank God for vouchers!  How else would we learn about Christian nastiness? Follow up comments by tragic mishap and Bobby Byers are scary. I'm giving odds this post goes to the memory hole. -------------- I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

Kattarina98 Posts: 1188 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2012,11:50    Quote (dvunkannon @ June 29 2012,11:37) Quote (CeilingCat @ June 29 2012,05:01) Denyse has come up with a Salvador-worthy remark.   VJ Torley has an article on UD, Beyond a Joke, where he fills in some details on ACE (Accellerated Christian Education) and their textbooks, which are now elegible for government funds in Louisiana.  They are the ones who said that the Loch Ness Monster is real and a dinosaur. Basically, ACE is much worse than you've heard and VJ is properly shocked.  He gets a lot of information from a guy named Jonny Scaramanga, a Brit who endured four years at an ACE school before a nervous breakdown bought his freedom.  Wonder of Wonders, VJ even gives a link to Jonny's testimony on, of all places, Pharyngula! VJ also gives a lot of other unsavory detail about ACE - their support of Apartheid, their flattering info on the Klan, etc.  (I don't think VJ realizes how much of a political power the KKK was in turn of the 20th century America.  I've seen a picture of a KKK parade through the streets of my Wisconsin city in the early 20th century, for instance.  The Klansmen were in full regalia, including hoods, and the first ranks of the parade consisted of uniformed policemen!) Anyway, VJ has printed a good story about one of the major publishers supplying Christian schools and home schoolers. Denyse, who brought ACE up in the first place and who didn't seem to believe it was real, then blows herself out of the water with the first reply:             Quote Good work, Torley! In a back-handed way, it shows the value of school vouchers. If vouchers weren’t involved, it wouldn’t have come to public attention in the same way. Thank God for vouchers!  How else would we learn about Christian nastiness? Follow up comments by tragic mishap and Bobby Byers are scary. I'm giving odds this post goes to the memory hole. Actually, I loved Robert Byers' comment: Quote Theres nothing wrong with these things. Its common in YEC circles to say possibly dinos didn’t go extinct etc. Then they report common reports about creatures that might of been leftover dinos etc. He's right - Ken Ham can't refute Nessie if he shows a saddled dino in his amusement park. -------------- Barry Arrington is a bitch.

JohnW Posts: 1925 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2012,16:04    Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 29 2012,09:50) Actually, I loved Robert Byers' comment:   Quote Theres nothing wrong with these things. Its common in YEC circles to say possibly dinos didn’t go extinct etc. Then they report common reports about creatures that might of been leftover dinos etc. He's right - Ken Ham can't refute Nessie if he shows a saddled dino in his amusement park. I'd sworn off UD, but this thread looks like it could hit the richest vein of tard since last year's "Eeww!! Homos!!" thread. How crazy do things have to get before Denyse O'Leary - Denyse O'fuckin'Leary - starts sounding like the voice of reason?  This crazy: Quote 5 News June 29, 2012 at 7:50 am Some of us were thinking of the heavy wooden paddles, tragic mishap. Nonsense is one thing, abuse another. 6 tragic mishap June 29, 2012 at 9:11 am Spanking is not abuse. 7 tragic mishap June 29, 2012 at 9:14 am And of course, if nobody wants to go to the school because it’s bad in some way, then nobody will go to the school. That’s how the free market works. Unfortunately because the government has distorted the free market by forcing a government education monopoly onto the market, our options for schooling are often limited because very few can compete against a free service. If you want private schooling to be better, get rid of the public option. I guarantee you private schooling would see its rolls rise dramatically and the goods schools would rise to the top leaving the bad ones in the dust very quickly. 8 News June 29, 2012 at 11:45 am tragic mishap, children are not in the same position as adults. Some of us seethe with anger about incompetent Children’s Aid Societies. That said, school discipline practices, public or private, MUST meet legal standards. One wonders how what Torley describes would fare. -------------- It always amazes me to no end that people who find the Bible abhorent seem to focus only on the few instances where God commands a city destroyed. - FTK

keiths Posts: 1926 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2012,16:21    Quote (JohnW @ June 29 2012,14:04) Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 29 2012,09:50) Actually, I loved Robert Byers' comment:     Quote Theres nothing wrong with these things. Its common in YEC circles to say possibly dinos didn’t go extinct etc. Then they report common reports about creatures that might of been leftover dinos etc. He's right - Ken Ham can't refute Nessie if he shows a saddled dino in his amusement park. I'd sworn off UD, but this thread looks like it could hit the richest vein of tard since last year's "Eeww!! Homos!!" thread. How crazy do things have to get before Denyse O'Leary - Denyse O'fuckin'Leary - starts sounding like the voice of reason?  This crazy: Quote 5 News June 29, 2012 at 7:50 am Some of us were thinking of the heavy wooden paddles, tragic mishap. Nonsense is one thing, abuse another. 6 tragic mishap June 29, 2012 at 9:11 am Spanking is not abuse. 7 tragic mishap June 29, 2012 at 9:14 am And of course, if nobody wants to go to the school because it’s bad in some way, then nobody will go to the school. That’s how the free market works. Unfortunately because the government has distorted the free market by forcing a government education monopoly onto the market, our options for schooling are often limited because very few can compete against a free service. If you want private schooling to be better, get rid of the public option. I guarantee you private schooling would see its rolls rise dramatically and the goods schools would rise to the top leaving the bad ones in the dust very quickly. 8 News June 29, 2012 at 11:45 am tragic mishap, children are not in the same position as adults. Some of us seethe with anger about incompetent Children’s Aid Societies. That said, school discipline practices, public or private, MUST meet legal standards. One wonders how what Torley describes would fare. Let's lock tragic mishap, Gordon E Mullings of Montserrat, and Mr Leathers in a room together and see what happens. -------------- "Unguided evolution (whatever that is) doesn’t predict anything. If it did it wouldn’t be unguided." -- Mung "Please stop putting words into my mouth that don’t belong there and thoughts into my mind that don’t belong there." -- KF

Patrick Posts: 459 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2012,16:30    Quote (JohnW @ June 29 2012,17:04) How crazy do things have to get before Denyse O'Leary - Denyse O'fuckin'Leary - starts sounding like the voice of reason?  This crazy:   Quote 5 News June 29, 2012 at 7:50 am Some of us were thinking of the heavy wooden paddles, tragic mishap. Nonsense is one thing, abuse another. 6 tragic mishap June 29, 2012 at 9:11 am Spanking is not abuse. Spanking with a heavy wooden paddle is not abuse? I would like to spend some quality time not abusing tragic mishap.

rhmc Posts: 340 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2012,17:08    Quote (k.e.. @ June 29 2012,08:52) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 28 2012,06:51) Quote (fnxtr @ June 27 2012,22:47) He's moving his family to Iowa... where's he going? The DI has started a new service - the Witless Protection Program. POTW! Secondededded

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4212 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2012,18:08    Quote (rhmc @ June 29 2012,18:08) Quote (k.e.. @ June 29 2012,08:52)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 28 2012,06:51)   Quote (fnxtr @ June 27 2012,22:47) He's moving his family to Iowa... where's he going? The DI has started a new service - the Witless Protection Program. POTW! Secondededded Oh, how quickly we forget. Witless. ETA: Permalink doesn't seem to work. Edited by Reciprocating Bill on June 29 2012,19:19 -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace

Lou FCD Posts: 5244 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2012,18:42    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ June 29 2012,19:08)     Quote (rhmc @ June 29 2012,18:08)       Quote (k.e.. @ June 29 2012,08:52)       Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 28 2012,06:51)         Quote (fnxtr @ June 27 2012,22:47) He's moving his family to Iowa... where's he going? The DI has started a new service - the Witless Protection Program. POTW! Secondededded Oh, how quickly we forget. Witless. ETA: Permalink doesn't seem to work.     Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ July 26 2008,09:13)   Quote ID award recipient not named for own protection … O'Leary It's sort of a witless protection program. Twofer -------------- Lou FCD is still in school, so we should only count him as a baby biologist. - carlsonjok - deprecated I think I might love you. Don't tell Deadman - Wolfhound Seduction by Louis, my NSFW new photography website.

Doc Bill Posts: 964 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2012,19:11    And another ID award recipient from an undisclosed secret location: Quote an award honoring college graduates for excellence in student advocacy of intelligent design (ID) the "Casey Luskin Graduate Award." The first recipient of said award was ... Casey Luskin! So, not only do the Discoveryoids publish their own journals and books but they invent awards that they give to themselves.  Cool.

Texas Teach Posts: 715 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2012,19:50    Quote (Doc Bill @ June 29 2012,19:11) And another ID award recipient from an undisclosed secret location:   Quote an award honoring college graduates for excellence in student advocacy of intelligent design (ID) the "Casey Luskin Graduate Award." The first recipient of said award was ... Casey Luskin! So, not only do the Discoveryoids publish their own journals and books but they invent awards that they give to themselves.  Cool. I can see the list now: The Dembski Award for Job Acquisition The O'leary Writing Words Award for Understanding The Byers Award for Cryptozoology The Cordova Award for Ethical Interpersonal Conduct The Mullings Award for Constitutional Crisis Resolution -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr

sparc Posts: 1468 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2012,22:43    Quote The O'leary Writing Words Award for Understanding For the next year I nominate Kairosfocus to honour the presumably longest blog post title ever, his writing skills and the depth of his underdtanding: Quote Matt 24 watch, 157: Michelle Malkin reminds us of the power of Samizdat and the long tail in the struggle vs spin in the mind/ ideas/ news and views/ "facts"/ education/ truth culture-struggle battlespace in our spiritual war He must be living on a hostile planet. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

Doc Bill Posts: 964 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2012,23:18    I neglected to report in my previous posting that the Casey Luskin Graduate Award of Excellence included a certificate (suitable for framing), a purple ribbon (Participation) and a hand job from Luskin himself. Alas, the first recipient was, um, Luskin ... Never mind.

The whole truth Posts: 899 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: June 30 2012,00:35    Quote (sparc @ June 29 2012,20:43) Quote The O'leary Writing Words Award for Understanding For the next year I nominate Kairosfocus to honour the presumably longest blog post title ever, his writing skills and the depth of his underdtanding:   Quote Matt 24 watch, 157: Michelle Malkin reminds us of the power of Samizdat and the long tail in the struggle vs spin in the mind/ ideas/ news and views/ "facts"/ education/ truth culture-struggle battlespace in our spiritual war He must be living on a hostile planet. Wow, that post by gordo is yet another profound demonstration of his EXTREME insanity. His mental derangement knows no bounds. And if anyone is a 'willing servant of demonic evil', it's him. -------------- Fellatio is in fact a type of sodomy - gordon e mullings I don't even know what that means- "study CSI". - joe g Joe G is the only person I have ever encountered who could start a fight in an empty room and still manage to lose. - Amadan

JAM Posts: 503 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 30 2012,04:17    Quote (paulmc @ June 28 2012,20:34) I have reviewed Chapter 4 of the increasingly painful Science and Human Origins. It's about junk DNA and attacking Francis Collins. But not really about Science. I am stoked there is only one chapter left. This book is a dreadful, infuriating read. You should post each chapter as a separate review to Amazon, Paul.

keiths Posts: 1926 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 30 2012,16:26    Quote (Texas Teach @ June 29 2012,17:50) Quote (Doc Bill @ June 29 2012,19:11) And another ID award recipient from an undisclosed secret location:   Quote an award honoring college graduates for excellence in student advocacy of intelligent design (ID) the "Casey Luskin Graduate Award." The first recipient of said award was ... Casey Luskin! So, not only do the Discoveryoids publish their own journals and books but they invent awards that they give to themselves.  Cool. I can see the list now: The Dembski Award for Job Acquisition The O'leary Writing Words Award for Understanding The Byers Award for Cryptozoology The Cordova Award for Ethical Interpersonal Conduct The Mullings Award for Constitutional Crisis Resolution The Berlinski Award for Humility and Concision -------------- "Unguided evolution (whatever that is) doesn’t predict anything. If it did it wouldn’t be unguided." -- Mung "Please stop putting words into my mouth that don’t belong there and thoughts into my mind that don’t belong there." -- KF

paulmc Posts: 16 Joined: June 2012 (Permalink) Posted: June 30 2012,18:09    It's a shame that none of the UD folk have been willing to discuss the review. Ann Gauger had been posting in the last thread they did on the book, but has vanished along with everyone else* when I made criticisms from having read the chapter. *Everyone except Joe, I should say. And Joe just told me there isn't evidence that purifying selection happens or that mutations fix. So that conversation's going real well. -------------- Paul McBride, Darwinist Hero of the Hour -- David Klinghoffer [T]his is the red flag that tells us what is at stake for our civilisation in these debates -- Kairosfocus (in response to the question: which topic would you like to discuss?)

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 30 2012,18:11    All they talk about is following the evidence where it leads... -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 30 2012,18:14    Paul, Shortly KF will refer you to one of his interminable "on-line courses" as obviously the cognitive defect he perceives you to have will be cured by his turgid prose. And when you don't agree with every word he says it'll be because you've not taken his course and can therefore be dismissed as "not even trying to remove the materialistic blinkers". KF would be funny on the stand defending ID at Dover2. I'd contribute towards his plane fare! -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Patrick Posts: 459 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: June 30 2012,18:43    Quote (paulmc @ June 30 2012,19:09) It's a shame that none of the UD folk have been willing to discuss the review. Ann Gauger had been posting in the last thread they did on the book, but has vanished along with everyone else* when I made criticisms from having read the chapter. *Everyone except Joe, I should say. And Joe just told me there isn't evidence that purifying selection happens or that mutations fix. So that conversation's going real well. I particularly like this solid refutation of your argument: Quote Except we do not know if dogs evolved from wolves. We just assume that is what happened. No one has taken wolves and via artificial selection made a dog. And even if you're right, you're wrong: Quote And also for all their phenotypic plasticity the dogs are still dogs. ID is so not creationism -- it just uses exactly the same arguments.

midwifetoad Posts: 3136 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 30 2012,19:39    It took 50 years to shape foxes into the equivalent of dogs. -------------- ... a poster child for irresponsible and deceitful misrepresentation of design theory on the Internet. http://tinyurl.com/9axtwbe....9axtwbe

paulmc Posts: 16 Joined: June 2012 (Permalink) Posted: June 30 2012,20:09    And here it is, the final chapter review and a little sum-up. Gauger's Chapter 5 makes the first and only original argument in the book - that the HLA-DR locus in the MHC doesn't rule out Adam and Eve, and could provide support for ID. Spoiler alert: both arguments are wrong. -------------- Paul McBride, Darwinist Hero of the Hour -- David Klinghoffer [T]his is the red flag that tells us what is at stake for our civilisation in these debates -- Kairosfocus (in response to the question: which topic would you like to discuss?)

Henry J Posts: 3734 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 30 2012,23:07    Quote Gauger's Chapter 5 makes the first and only original argument in the book - that the HLA-DR locus in the MHC doesn't rule out Adam and Eve, and could provide support for ID. He argues that one factor, by itself, doesn't rule out a severe genetic bottleneck in the last 6000 or so years (+ or - a few thousand)? What about the other 100,000 or so loci, with all of their alleles? Or don't they count, to him? Henry

paulmc Posts: 16 Joined: June 2012 (Permalink) Posted: June 30 2012,23:21    Quote (Henry J @ June 30 2012,23:07) Quote Gauger's Chapter 5 makes the first and only original argument in the book - that the HLA-DR locus in the MHC doesn't rule out Adam and Eve, and could provide support for ID. He argues that one factor, by itself, doesn't rule out a severe genetic bottleneck in the last 6000 or so years (+ or - a few thousand)? What about the other 100,000 or so loci, with all of their alleles? Or don't they count, to him? Henry To be fair to Ann Gauger, she is an old earth creationist, so isn't arguing about a bottleneck in the last 10,000 years. But, yes, she ignores the all other loci collectively, as I discuss in the review. It seems to be enough to generate slivers of doubt about neoDarwinism rather than proof of intelligent design. --Paul. -------------- Paul McBride, Darwinist Hero of the Hour -- David Klinghoffer [T]his is the red flag that tells us what is at stake for our civilisation in these debates -- Kairosfocus (in response to the question: which topic would you like to discuss?)

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