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Schroedinger's Dog Posts: 1692 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: May 14 2009,17:13    So, on the one hand we have Nasa and the Hubble telescope extreme make-over, promising images as far as 500 years after the Big Bang. Sorry, link in french. On the other hand, we have the ESA and Planck & Herschel program, promising images down to 380 000 years after the Big Bang. Sorry, link in french......again While I rejoice upon Hubble's newfound life span, I kinda wonder about the real limits of our "vision". Can we really go back farther than the 380 000 limit? It seems (although I might be mistaken) that this particular time would be the moment when light "separated" from the gooey mumbo-jumbo and thus is the limit to what we can "see". But Nasa claims to scope down to 500 years Post Big Bang. Utopia? Mistake from the reporter? Blatant propaganda? Share your thoughts... -------------- "Hail is made out of water? Are you really that stupid?" Joe G "I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis "The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is that vampires are allergic to bullshit" Richard Pryor

cogzoid Posts: 234 Joined: Sep. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 14 2009,17:30    A better way to think of it is this.  Things were so energetic, noisy, close together, etc. that light could not travel very far.  Physicists consider the universe pre~380,000 years old to be opaque.  The reporter discussing how far back the Hubble could look must have heard wrong.

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 14 2009,17:32    Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ May 14 2009,17:13) So, on the one hand we have Nasa and the Hubble telescope extreme make-over, promising images as far as 500 years after the Big Bang. Sorry, link in french. On the other hand, we have the ESA and Planck & Herschel program, promising images down to 380 000 years after the Big Bang. Sorry, link in french......again While I rejoice upon Hubble's newfound life span, I kinda wonder about the real limits of our "vision". Can we really go back farther than the 380 000 limit? It seems (although I might be mistaken) that this particular time would be the moment when light "separated" from the gooey mumbo-jumbo and thus is the limit to what we can "see". But Nasa claims to scope down to 500 years Post Big Bang. Utopia? Mistake from the reporter? Blatant propaganda? Share your thoughts... USA!!! USA!!! USA!!!! Oh.  That wasn't what you meant? -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Schroedinger's Dog Posts: 1692 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: May 14 2009,17:36    Quote (cogzoid @ May 15 2009,00:30) A better way to think of it is this.  Things were so energetic, noisy, close together, etc. that light could not travel very far.  Physicists consider the universe pre~380,000 years old to be opaque.  The reporter discussing how far back the Hubble could look must have heard wrong. Ok, thanks, that's what I was hoping for. Carlson: yeah, kinda...:D -------------- "Hail is made out of water? Are you really that stupid?" Joe G "I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis "The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is that vampires are allergic to bullshit" Richard Pryor

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 27 2009,18:42    Sorry. The headline to your 2nd link reads: Quote La navette Atlantis est en retard that's just mean. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 27 2009,19:31    How disappointing.  When I saw the title "Hubble vs. Planck & Herschel", I thought you were talking about a cage fight. By the way, Fritz Zwicky could have kicked all of their asses. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

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