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Posted: Dec. 09 2008,13:09

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X-Sender: [Dembski’s email at discovery.org] (Unverified) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:11:27 -0600 To: Richard Dawkins [email] From: “William A. Dembski” [email] Subject: President Bush Cc: “Eugenie C. Scott” [email], [Daniel Dennett email], [Paul Gross email], [Barbara Forrest email]

Dear Prof. Dawkins,

I enjoyed this bit of fun in last week’s Guardian. It might interest you to know that Senator Rick Santorum, who is close to President Bush, endorsed my forthcoming book The Design Revolution. It might also interest you to know that President Bush lives in the same Texas county that I do (McLennan County – his home is about 35 miles from my home). It might futher interest you to know that my university, Baylor, today made a bid on the George W. Bush Presidential Library (for the news conference, go to www.baylortv.com).

Why might all this interest you? With the recommendations by Senator Santorum and others close to President Bush, I plan to pay him a visit at his home early next year and have a frank discussion with him about the future of science in the United States and the possibilities for public funding of intelligent design research. I expect your remarks below will help me make my case.

Thanks for all you continue to do to advance the work of intelligent design. You are an instrument in the hands of Providence however much you rail against it.

With all good wishes, Bill Dembski

That didn't work out so well. You think Dembski's brushing off his famous sweater for a visit with President Obama? :p

If only DDrr.. Dembski had had that little chat with Shrub, he could have prevented the lame duck defection to evilution.

Evidence of Backsliding

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Posted: Dec. 09 2008,13:16

Looks like people are either:

1. a la Ben Stein, redefining intelligent design as creationism, or
2. a la George Bush, mistaking it for theistic evolution.

Oops.

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Posted: Dec. 09 2008,13:17

P.S. History of creationism/ID book title idea:

The Design Evolution.

I thought of it.

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Posted: Dec. 11 2008,11:07

Obama just appointed this man to be the head of the Department of Energy.

He appears not to be an oil company lobbyist, from what I can tell. Maybe just maybe the Republican War on Science will be on hold for at least 4-8 years?

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Posted: Dec. 11 2008,12:32

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Obama just appointed this man to be the head of the Department of Energy.

He appears not to be an oil company lobbyist, from what I can tell. Maybe just maybe the Republican War on Science will be on hold for at least 4-8 years?

I have met Stephen Chu and heard him speak. He is a passionate advocate for using science and technology to address global warming's causes and effects. He has worked tirelessly to jump start alternative energy programs at Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory. He is a terrific choice for this post, and the idea that he will have the ear of the President of this nation is thrilling, satisfying, and reassuring. No longer will we have college drop-outs telling NASA senior scientists what they can publish.

Elections really do matter.

By the way, check out this comment on the New York Times' first tiny mention of this news last night:

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If Obama is truly serious about being bipartisan, why doesn’t he choose Sarah Palin as energy czar? Everyone agrees she’s an energy expert. I’m sure she knows more than Chu or Browner, and she certainly has more experience than Chu.

Yikes! Actually, she almost surely does have more experience with, say, petroleum markets than does Chu, but she ain't no energy expert, and her vision is not where we need to go.

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Posted: Dec. 11 2008,13:18

The Worm Squirms

I heard this during my drive to work this morning and laughed out loud in my car. The silence is deafening near the end when Duncan has literally NO answer to the question - is it accurate to say that the Republican Party has been too close to the religious right?

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Posted: Dec. 11 2008,13:28

Quote (dvunkannon @ Dec. 11 2008,11:18)

The silence is deafening near the end when Duncan has literally NO answer to the question - is it accurate to say that the Republican Party has been too close to the religious right?

Wow, THREE times Duncan refuses to answer the question actually asked. That should win some kind of Weaselly Nonanswer Award of the year.

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Posted: Dec. 11 2008,13:43

Steve Chu's name can be found in familiar places.

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Posted: Dec. 11 2008,15:50

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Steve Chu's name can be found in familiar places.

He's a Steve Steve's Steve!

*shimmy!* *shimmy!* *shimmy!*

Is it true? Is it really, really, true that we have an intelligent and hawt Prez?

Evangelicals shocked by Bush comments.

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George W. Bush's recent statement that he believes the Bible is "probably not" literally true has apparently left many Christian conservatives reeling in shock.

David Brody of the Christian Broadcasting Network told CNN"s John Roberts on Thursday, "I think a lot of social conservative evangelicals were surprised -- probably grabbing the smelling salts as we speak."

Bush made the controversial statement during a Monday interview on ABC's Nightline. When asked whether he thinks the Bible is literally true, he replied, "Probably not. No, I'm not a literalist, but I think you can learn a lot from it."

One blogger at the conservative Washington Times, commented the next morning, "I already have an e-mail from a former Bush administration official who writes, 'This just completely alienated his evangelical supporters.'"

Bush further stated in the interview, "I think that God created the Earth ... and I don't think it's incompatible with the scientific proof that there is evolution."...

Some evangelicals, however, claim they were not surprised by Bush's remarks. A blog titled "The Moral Collapse Of America" pointed out after the interview that "George W. Bush's religious beliefs are not compatible with evangelical Christianity," because "Bush has openly said many times that Christians, Muslims and all other religions pray to the same God."

Ding-a-lings. They'd better keep those smelling salts close by.

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Posted: Dec. 11 2008,15:56

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Brody suggested that Bush may have merely been referring to what creationists call "microevolution" -- small-scale changes that do not rise to the level of creating new species. However, he didn't appear altogether confident, telling Roberts, "The problem was, the president didn't seem all that -- if you want to use the word -- coherent on the subject."

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Posted: Dec. 11 2008,18:23

We don't often see Bush on the television up here in Canada, but the last few times I've seen him he's looked a thoroughly beaten man. I wonder if it is finally getting through to him that he has not been a success, even by his own lights?

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Posted: Dec. 11 2008,18:43

Can it be true? Has Bush just gone demob happy, and has Obama really appointed a world-class scientist with all the right chops to be energy czar?

I'm... speechless with teh happy.

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Posted: Dec. 11 2008,18:44

Quote (dvunkannon @ Dec. 11 2008,13:18)

The Worm Squirms

I heard this during my drive to work this morning and laughed out loud in my car. The silence is deafening near the end when Duncan has literally NO answer to the question - is it accurate to say that the Republican Party has been too close to the religious right?

Thank you so much. I have never really understood the meaning of the epithet "tool" - that interview opened my eyes. What a tool!

Oh, and a slimy Mc-slimerson.

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Posted: Dec. 11 2008,21:38

Quote (dvunkannon @ Dec. 11 2008,13:18)

The Worm Squirms

I heard this during my drive to work this morning and laughed out loud in my car. The silence is deafening near the end when Duncan has literally NO answer to the question - is it accurate to say that the Republican Party has been too close to the religious right?

It's just dumbfounding every time you get a little glimpse into the Republican mind. Duncan's plan for the GOP is to come up with "new words" for the masses.

It's a sad thing when your entire strategy is not only communicated in soundbites, but instead consists of nothing but soundbites. Does it not strike anyone in the RNC that they might not be able to catchphrase their way to relevancy?

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Posted: Dec. 11 2008,22:05

1 I don't think Bush was any less coherent than the average theistic evolutionist would be if you put a microphone up to them and suddenly asked them about evolution. Most people don't think about science much and their thoughts on it are sometimes jumbled.

2 Can someone tell me what the Duncan thing is about? I have tech problems with npr's site and can't listen to the audio.

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Posted: Dec. 12 2008,04:33

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2 Can someone tell me what the Duncan thing is about? I have tech problems with npr's site and can't listen to the audio.

The interview was about change in the GOP. Duncan's main point was that what they need is a better sales pitch, not change in their core message.

The interviewer quoted a web comment from a GOP web site that suggested the party move away from the religious right and asked if that person was wrong to believe that some groups had disproportionate influence in the party.

(Sound of starter motor fighting a losing battle on cold morning. Dust settles noisily.)

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Posted: Dec. 12 2008,07:41

Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 11 2008,16:50)

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 11 2008,13:43)

Steve Chu's name can be found in familiar places.

:O He's a Steve Steve's Steve!

*shimmy!* *shimmy!* *shimmy!* :) Is it true? Is it really, really, true that we have an intelligent and hawt Prez?

Evangelicals shocked by Bush comments.

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George W. Bush's recent statement that he believes the Bible is "probably not" literally true has apparently left many Christian conservatives reeling in shock.

David Brody of the Christian Broadcasting Network told CNN"s John Roberts on Thursday, "I think a lot of social conservative evangelicals were surprised -- probably grabbing the smelling salts as we speak."

Bush made the controversial statement during a Monday interview on ABC's Nightline. When asked whether he thinks the Bible is literally true, he replied, "Probably not. No, I'm not a literalist, but I think you can learn a lot from it."

One blogger at the conservative Washington Times, commented the next morning, "I already have an e-mail from a former Bush administration official who writes, 'This just completely alienated his evangelical supporters.'"

Bush further stated in the interview, "I think that God created the Earth ... and I don't think it's incompatible with the scientific proof that there is evolution."...

Some evangelicals, however, claim they were not surprised by Bush's remarks. A blog titled "The Moral Collapse Of America" pointed out after the interview that "George W. Bush's religious beliefs are not compatible with evangelical Christianity," because "Bush has openly said many times that Christians, Muslims and all other religions pray to the same God."

Ding-a-lings. They'd better keep those smelling salts close by.

Since he no longer even needs to appear like he is scratching at the feet of the rel. right maybe he wants the rest of us to not think so ill of his intelligence.
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Yea, right, like that's ever going to happen.

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Posted: Dec. 12 2008,10:20

Quote (Amadan @ Dec. 12 2008,04:33)

Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 11 2008,22:05)

2 Can someone tell me what the Duncan thing is about? I have tech problems with npr's site and can't listen to the audio.

The interview was about change in the GOP. Duncan's main point was that what they need is a better sales pitch, not change in their core message.

The interviewer quoted a web comment from a GOP web site that suggested the party move away from the religious right and asked if that person was wrong to believe that some groups had disproportionate influence in the party.

(Sound of starter motor fighting a losing battle on cold morning. Dust settles noisily.)

So, in other words, they're going to spell it out with pom-poms, in the hopes of spawning numerous sequels.

Get ready for "Palin Wig Out 2: Mad about the Moose."

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Posted: Dec. 15 2008,13:40

Even McCain now says he won't necessarily support Palin for president.

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Even McCain now says he won't necessarily support Palin for president.

Posted: Dec. 15 2008,13:49

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Maverick!

Oh, wait...

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Even McCain now says he won't necessarily support Palin for president.

Posted: Dec. 15 2008,13:56

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No worries. Heddle and FTK will stay loyal.

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Posted: Dec. 15 2008,15:42

In Other News...

Moral Dilemma: To Shoe, or Not To Shoe?

The Shoe Heard Round The World hurt nobody, but is throwing shoes to be encouraged?

No actual shoes (or dumb-ass Presdent's either) were harmed in the incident, so does that make it ok?

What if Bush didn't duck, fell over, hit his head on the podium, monkey's escaped from his cranium, and Cheney would be Our President for 37 days?

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Posted: Dec. 15 2008,16:51

i have to say i was proud of the fool for laughing about it in between shoes. he was bobbing and weaving pretty good too, and that laugh made me think he was maybe talking shit in his head. "sup suckah is one flip flop all you got... lucky i don't strut out there stick one of these here boots up in yer ass".

if you ever wanted an unscripted moment to peer into his unguarded persona this was it. the bit i saw him speak about it he was composed again.

i would have liked to see them get at fisticuff or pistols at dawn or roshambeaux to the death or something but i wasn't consulted for some damn reason.

that would be some youtube footage to get excited about

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Posted: Dec. 15 2008,17:36

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i would have liked to see them get at fisticuff or pistols at dawn or roshambeaux to the death or something but i wasn't consulted for some damn reason.

that would be some youtube footage to get excited about

Canadian Prime Minister vs protester a few years back:

That's PM Jean Chretien on the right.

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Posted: Jan. 09 2009,22:21

GOVERNOR SARAH PALIN DOES EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW FOR
"MEDIA MALPRACTICE" DOCUMENTARY

http://www.howobamagotelected.com/

Blithering idiot.

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Posted: Jan. 09 2009,23:02

very true khan

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Posted: Jan. 10 2009,07:32

She's utterly oblivious.

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Posted: Jan. 10 2009,13:16

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"She Doesn't Have a Well-Informed Worldview."

Mrs Frum appeared on The O'Reilly Factor last night to discuss Gov. Sarah Palin's interview for John Ziegler's "How Obama Got Elected" project. But the negative words quoted in the headlines aren't Danielle's. They were the words of Sen. Rick Santorum, invited onto the show to champion Palin.

It's pretty bad when even your supporters call you ignorant.

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Posted: Jan. 10 2009,21:57

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"She Doesn't Have a Well-Informed Worldview."

Mrs Frum appeared on The O'Reilly Factor last night to discuss Gov. Sarah Palin's interview for John Ziegler's "How Obama Got Elected" project. But the negative words quoted in the headlines aren't Danielle's. They were the words of Sen. Rick Santorum, invited onto the show to champion Palin.

It's pretty bad when even your supporters call you ignorant.

link. h/t Balloon Juice

"She Doesn't Have a Well-Informed Worldview." = Republicanese for "she's a dumbass".

Nice article, esp. from someone who was a Neocon apologist for Bush for so long. Rest assured it's not what NRO's loyal readers want to hear.

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