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Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,16:33    good answer. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Ftk Posts: 2239 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,16:47    Quote (Ichthyic @ June 14 2007,16:22) Quote Icky, sweetie, I thought your plan was to ignore me...not a very good start, big guy. actually we were discussing the value of ignoring you as an experiment, but I saw no agreement on methods as of yet. care to guess as to what the results might be? what would you do if we completely ignored you? Well, first off Icky, you need to remember that I was lured in here.  I didn't even know this site existed until I started getting numerous hits on my sitemeter from this particular forum.   Second, I'm just one of those people who has a really hard time watching people say stuff about me that is completely incorrect without mentioning that fact to them.  I have no idea how other people can allow you guys to rake them through the coals without comment. Third, I tried to get out of here early on, but people kept bringing up stuff from my blog that I couldn't just let go by without comment. So, certainly if everyone would stop commenting about what I blog about, I'd have no reason to post here unless I wanted to bring up a particular topic to get a viewpoint from the opposition. My own experience has been that it is of great benefit to allow people who oppose my views to post at my blog (if they are civil).   I also enjoy discussions with those who reject my views because I believe it's more productive to engage in dialogue with the opposition rather than merely preaching to the choir.  I've also found that there is a lot of confusion from both sides as to what those they oppose actually believe. KCFS pretty much ran off everyone whose views they opposed, and there's not much going on over there anymore. -------------- "Evolution is a creationism and just as illogical [as] the other pantheistic creation myths"  -forastero

Jim_Wynne Posts: 1208 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,16:54    Quote (Gunthernacus @ June 14 2007,16:25) Quality tard from Joe G at ARN: The whole thread is classic - but this post is tops:   Quote That doesn't count the experiments I conduct in my basement. Some labs would be jealous of the equipment I house & use there. For example I now know that ticks are more attracted to watermelon rinds then they are to orange peels or orange slices. I also know that dragonflies play. For any ARNies reading, Joe G previously trolled as ID's Bulldog. I love this one--Joe can't talk about his scientific experiments because he's a secret agent.  When asked what experiments he's done, he replies, Quote Many dealing with ion trap mobilty spectrometry & mass spectrometry. Many more dealing with electronic circuitry and electricity. I can't get specific as it deals with security. If you can get a security clearance I could show you what I do. If he did tell us, he would become a pirahna to all of science. -------------- Evolution is not about laws but about randomness on happanchance.--Robert Byers, at PT

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,16:56    Quote My own experience has been that it is of great benefit to allow people who oppose my views to post at my blog (if they are civil).   I also enjoy discussions with those who reject my views because I believe it's more productive to engage in dialogue with the opposition rather than merely preaching to the choir.  I've also found that there is a lot of confusion from both sides as to what those they oppose actually believe. Dialogue with the opposition is excellent, though it does involve listening as well as preaching. I do honestly admire how you keep popping in here, apparently uncrushed by the general disdain.

argystokes Posts: 766 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,16:59    Thanks, all! May the attempts at government-sanctioned religion be as hilariously inept in this coming year as they were in the last. I'll be following the Odessa Bible Curriculum case pretty closely, I think. -------------- "Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous?" -Calvin

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,17:01    Quote KCFS pretty much ran off everyone whose views they opposed, and there's not much going on over there anymore. ah, you caught where you were going with the rest of your post, and realized you needed to make that reference. so, essentially you are saying you would prefer to ONLY comment on your own blog, right? that if we ignored anything you posted HERE, you would simply disappear back to your own cubbyhole? interesting. so if we criticize everything you've ever postulated as an idea and were completely wrong about (just about everything I've seen you post here, for example), but don't attach it to YOU directly, you're ok with that. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,17:03    Quote I do honestly admire how you keep popping in here, apparently uncrushed by the general disdain. that's good, Alan, keep giving her props for tenacity in the face of her own mental illness. you are one weird cat. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,17:06    Quote My own experience has been that it is of great benefit to allow people who oppose my views to post at my blog (if they are civil). And don't ask me any questions I don't like.  Or refrain from calling DaveScot names.  And asmit that atheism is the same as science.... Quote I also enjoy discussions with those who reject my views because I believe it's more productive to engage in dialogue with the opposition rather than merely preaching to the choir. Could I get a working definition of this activity? Quote I've also found that there is a lot of confusion from both sides as to what those they oppose actually believe. Very open minded of you, of course.  Both sides are completely equal in all ways.  It couldn't be that IDers change their mind as to what they believe depending on who they're talking to, could it?  Maybe?  Look up the fascinating changes in definition of "Irreducible Complexity"  if you must.  Take a gander at any thread on UD that includes the words "Common Descent".  Or, if they haven't been nuked, any thread there with the words "ID isn't about Jesus". Quote KCFS pretty much ran off everyone whose views they opposed, and there's not much going on over there anymore. Aw, that's terrible.  A site that doesn't let everyone post what they want.  I wonder if we can come up with a couple more of those. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Jim_Wynne Posts: 1208 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,17:16    Quote (Ftk @ June 14 2007,16:47) Quote (Ichthyic @ June 14 2007,16:22)   Quote Icky, sweetie, I thought your plan was to ignore me...not a very good start, big guy. actually we were discussing the value of ignoring you as an experiment, but I saw no agreement on methods as of yet. care to guess as to what the results might be? what would you do if we completely ignored you? ...I tried to get out of here early on, but people kept bringing up stuff from my blog that I couldn't just let go by without comment. I tried to get out, but they kept PULLING ME BACK IN -------------- Evolution is not about laws but about randomness on happanchance.--Robert Byers, at PT

Ftk Posts: 2239 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,17:44    Quote And don't ask me any questions I don't like.  Or refrain from calling DaveScot names.  And asmit that atheism is the same as science.... You poor angry little creature.  I've gotten after DaveScot several times now for making remarks about other people.  I've allowed anyone who has asked good questions minus the ridicule to post them.  And, I've NEVER stated that atheism is the same as science. You're just a tad ticked because I won't let your nasty little jibes go through moderation anymore.  Guys like you are the reason why I keep sticking my head in here...to correct statements like the one you just made. Carry on, luv...I'll just keep correctin' ya. -------------- "Evolution is a creationism and just as illogical [as] the other pantheistic creation myths"  -forastero

GCT Posts: 1001 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,17:52    Quote (Jim_Wynne @ June 14 2007,17:54) I love this one--Joe can't talk about his scientific experiments because he's a secret agent.  When asked what experiments he's done, he replies,   Quote Many dealing with ion trap mobilty spectrometry & mass spectrometry. Many more dealing with electronic circuitry and electricity. I can't get specific as it deals with security. If you can get a security clearance I could show you what I do. If he did tell us, he would become a pirahna to all of science. Well, he's either full of sh*t or he has no clue what he is talking about.  Actually, I'm sure it's both. Simply because someone has a security clearance doesn't mean that they would be automatically cleared to see what he is doing.  What a tard. That, and why would he be doing secure experiments at his house?  That's a big no-no.

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,18:16    Quote You poor angry little creature. *yawn* -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,18:17    Quote If you can get a security clearance I could show you what I do. also known as: backstage pass from Ted Haggard. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

GCT Posts: 1001 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,18:33    Quote (GCT @ June 14 2007,18:52) Quote (Jim_Wynne @ June 14 2007,17:54) I love this one--Joe can't talk about his scientific experiments because he's a secret agent.  When asked what experiments he's done, he replies,   Quote Many dealing with ion trap mobilty spectrometry & mass spectrometry. Many more dealing with electronic circuitry and electricity. I can't get specific as it deals with security. If you can get a security clearance I could show you what I do. If he did tell us, he would become a pirahna to all of science. Well, he's either full of sh*t or he has no clue what he is talking about.  Actually, I'm sure it's both. Simply because someone has a security clearance doesn't mean that they would be automatically cleared to see what he is doing.  What a tard. That, and why would he be doing secure experiments at his house?  That's a big no-no. I re-read this and I don't think I was adamant enough about how big a tard he is. If he was actually doing secret stuff in his house, he would have just given Dembski an actual reason to call DHS.  This dumbf*ck would have just announced to the world that classified material was sitting in his basement for anyone to take.  If he actually was on the level, he just committed a serious crime.  C'mon Dembski, here's a chance to call DHS for an actual crime.

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,19:31    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 14 2007,15:29) [oldfart] Only 24! By god, you young punks don't know anything! Why, back in MY day, we had to walk 20 miles in the snow to attend the Scopes trial, and 25 miles back again! And when WE went to the Galapagos Islands, we didn't have no fancy AIRPLANES or CRUISES, we had to SWIM there! Damn punks. I swear... [/oldfart] Have a great birthday.  :) Arden, you forgot "uphill.  Both ways." Happy Birthday, Argy. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

silverspoon Posts: 123 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,19:53    Quote (GCT @ June 14 2007,17:52) Well, he's either full of sh*t or he has no clue what he is talking about.  Actually, I'm sure it's both. Well, about 8 or 10 years ago posting under the name John Paul he blabbered about how the builder of the Coral Castle* in Florida used ancient levitation techniques, same as the pyramid builders. He also has said something he would accept as being an ‘authentic’ transitional would be a fossil of a reptile with hooves. * If you don’t know the pseudoscience behind claims of how the Coral Castle was built, you’re missing out of some great supermarket tabloid science. Joe G excels in both. -------------- Grand Poobah of the nuclear mafia

steve_h Posts: 544 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,20:01    Quote (Lou FCD @ June 15 2007,02:31) Arden, you forgot "uphill.  Both ways." Aye, an' that was just t' swimmin' t' Galapagos part - an' we di'n't have no Richard Dawkins wi' us!

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,20:17    Quote Second, I'm just one of those people who has a really hard time watching people say stuff about me that is completely incorrect without mentioning that fact to them. Someday you may discover the Silence of Dignified Contempt for yourself. Until then, keep yourself well stocked in antacids. BTW, FtK, do you deny that transitional fossil sequences exist? I know that you've said that you would get around to an answer, so just take it as a reminder this time and any future ones. You'll be seeing it whenever I post something addressing you. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,20:25    Quote I've also found that there is a lot of confusion from both sides as to what those they oppose actually believe. How could you possibly know that? BTW, FtK, do you deny that transitional fossil sequences exist? -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,21:20    Quote Arden, you forgot "uphill.  Both ways." phht. "We used to live in a shoebox in the middle of the road..." -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,21:22    Quote * If you don’t know the pseudoscience behind claims of how the Coral Castle was built, you’re missing out of some great supermarket tabloid science. Joe G excels in both. they not only did an original "In Search Of" episode on that when Leonard Nimoy hosted the show, but also in the attempted revival of the series a couple of decades later. something about magnetic lines and moving huge stones or some such drivel. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,21:25    Quote Someday you may discover the Silence of Dignified Contempt for yourself. 5 bucks says she doesn't get why that's funny. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,22:16    Quote (Ichthyic @ June 14 2007,21:20) Quote Arden, you forgot "uphill.  Both ways." phht. "We used to live in a shoebox in the middle of the road..." We used to DREAM of living in a shoebox in the middle of the road! -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,23:21    Quote (Ftk @ June 14 2007,17:44) Quote And don't ask me any questions I don't like.  Or refrain from calling DaveScot names.  And asmit that atheism is the same as science.... You poor angry little creature.  I've gotten after DaveScot several times now for making remarks about other people.  I've allowed anyone who has asked good questions minus the ridicule to post them.  And, I've NEVER stated that atheism is the same as science. You're just a tad ticked because I won't let your nasty little jibes go through moderation anymore.  Guys like you are the reason why I keep sticking my head in here...to correct statements like the one you just made. Carry on, luv...I'll just keep correctin' ya. Do you ever wonder if people who disagree with you are actually happy?  Just saying... Which statement did you correct?  Was it: 1.  The ever-changing definition of Irreducible Complexity? 2.  The charge that UD commenters keep changing their minds about whether Common Descent is true or not? 3.  The accusation that all ID is is religion? No?  None of those? You just needed to correct the clear jibe at your own person?  How could I not be a happy person with all the mirth you create? -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,23:24    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 14 2007,22:16) Quote (Ichthyic @ June 14 2007,21:20) Quote Arden, you forgot "uphill.  Both ways." phht. "We used to live in a shoebox in the middle of the road..." We used to DREAM of living in a shoebox in the middle of the road! We'd get up in the morning, half an hour before we went to bed, go the mill and pay the mill owner 6 pence just for the privilege of going to work. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,23:45    yeah, but ya try to tell that to the young people these days... -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,23:47    Quote (Ichthyic @ June 14 2007,23:45) yeah, but ya try to tell that to the young people these days... ...they won't believe you. Nope. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

djmullen Posts: 327 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 15 2007,00:01    Quote (Zachriel @ June 14 2007,12:21) scordova       Quote I point out why certain functional systems will be nearly if not completely invisible to natural selection. See: Airplane magnetos, contingency designs, and reasons ID will prevail . You didn't even get your own argument right. Backup systems help ensure the survivability of the airplance and its occupants. Without the backup system you would have been personally de-selected. What your argument showed was that knock-out experiments may not accurately test expendability of genes or other biological structures. Your example actually showed that backup systems are visible to Natural Selection. I think the key point that Salvador was trying to make was in this line:  "I was piloting a small airplane in the spring of 2002." It's a man's life in ID.

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 15 2007,00:10    Quote (djmullen @ June 15 2007,00:01) Quote (Zachriel @ June 14 2007,12:21) scordova         Quote I point out why certain functional systems will be nearly if not completely invisible to natural selection. See: Airplane magnetos, contingency designs, and reasons ID will prevail . You didn't even get your own argument right. Backup systems help ensure the survivability of the airplance and its occupants. Without the backup system you would have been personally de-selected. What your argument showed was that knock-out experiments may not accurately test expendability of genes or other biological structures. Your example actually showed that backup systems are visible to Natural Selection. I think the key point that Salvador was trying to make was in this line:  "I was piloting a small airplane in the spring of 2002." It's a man's life in ID. that's what Dave Hawkins used to tell us too, right before he admitted to being an airforce washout heli pilot. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

djmullen Posts: 327 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 15 2007,00:15    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 14 2007,15:29)   Quote (Ftk @ June 14 2007,15:07) Hey, argystokes, I just noticed it's your birthday today.  HAPPY BIRTHDAY!  You're only 24?? Sheesh...just a pup. Have a good one... [oldfart] Only 24! By god, you young punks don't know anything! Why, back in MY day, we had to walk 20 miles in the snow to attend the Scopes trial, and 25 miles back again! And when WE went to the Galapagos Islands, we didn't have no fancy AIRPLANES or CRUISES, we had to SWIM there! Damn punks. I swear... [/oldfart] Have a great birthday.  :) And we had to swim FAST because of the parasitic candiru fish that were trailing us!

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