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Peter Henderson Posts: 298 Joined: Aug. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,06:02    Quote Better be going to bed, William. Tomorrow's a school day and you know how mad your mom gets when you stay up too late. I'm 51 Arden and my "mom" still tells me when to go to bed ! Still, William hasn't answered any of my questions on the overwhelming evidence for an ancient Earth/universe

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,07:47    Quote (Peter Henderson @ May 08 2008,06:02) Quote Better be going to bed, William. Tomorrow's a school day and you know how mad your mom gets when you stay up too late. I'm 51 Arden and my "mom" still tells me when to go to bed ! ;) Still, William hasn't answered any of my questions on the overwhelming evidence for an ancient Earth/universe Shocked!  Shocked, I say. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,08:14    What the hell is it with creationists and lists?  I swear, if I was more serious about this I could easily run out of hard drive space. It seems William Wallace has banned me (maybe just from one thread) because he can't answer questions.  So, a la Ftk, here's his list: Quote WW says:   Quote Blipey, no bait and switch, and no trying to co-opt what I said in the first place, and then pretending that I did not say it. (WW pulling a Wesley) Blipey and PvM are done on this thread. I did no bait and switch.  Nor did I co-opt what you said.  If you'd like to point out exactly where I did this, I'll retract this statement. WW, you made the claim that Brahe discounted Copernican models in order to point out that science doesn't seek truth.  My response was to show how your model is flawed.  I co-opted nothing; I showed flaws.  I explained how the search for better models is indeed a search for truth. YOU DIDN'T BOTHER TO RESPOND. In fact, you have only answered one question on this thread: "Are you sympathetic to YEC?".  What's the matter?  Is it too hard for little William Wallace to answer a few questions.  And, if he can't answer them, well, it's time to censor people? Nicely done, creationists.  That is the one skill in which creationists are world-class: BANANATION!!!11!ONE!!!! Just so you remember what the discussion thread has been if you ever get around to C&Ping some answers: 1. What was your Sunday School teacher wrong about? 2. Why doesn't it matter that he/she was wrong about this? 3. Is it because he/she was spreading the faith and that makes any errors okay? 4. Which individual "smart people" who were wrong did you and your son talk about? 5. Are Walt Brown and Ken Ham on this list?  (This last is from a comment that wasn't allowed to go through). 6. What happens when a creator's words and works conflict?  (Your response to tis question failed to answer it--in fact, it poo-pooed the idea that there might even be differences that matter.) 7. Why does science continually seek better models? 8. What do you think observation and experimentation are for? 9. Is this related to truth? Just so everyone knows who exactly is shutting down conversation and why, I'll cross-post this to AtBC. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,08:59    Quote (Peter Henderson @ May 08 2008,04:02)   Quote Better be going to bed, William. Tomorrow's a school day and you know how mad your mom gets when you stay up too late. I'm 51 Arden and my "mom" still tells me when to go to bed ! Still, William hasn't answered any of my questions on the overwhelming evidence for an ancient Earth/universe He won't, either. We have another FTK/VMartin. He'll find the time for insults, but he'll ignore 90% of our questions. This will make him feel very clever. Is Willy a young earther? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,09:59    Even his new icon is dumb.  Not even as rough as Louis's old one.  Now that was edgy! -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,10:25    Quote (J-Dog @ May 08 2008,15:59) Even his new icon is dumb.  Not even as rough as Louis's old one.  Now that was edgy! The Penn Jillette one? I still have that. I'm saving it for a special occasion. Louis -------------- Bye.

Peter Henderson Posts: 298 Joined: Aug. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,10:52    Quote Shocked!  Shocked, I say. I should have added that it's only when I visit home  These days it's my wife who complains that I stay up too late.     It's funny though that parents still treat you as their little boy even though you are quite old. It's not just me either as I see the same thing in other people and others tell me it happens to them.

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:01    Quote (Louis @ May 08 2008,10:25) Quote (J-Dog @ May 08 2008,15:59) Even his new icon is dumb.  Not even as rough as Louis's old one.  Now that was edgy! The Penn Jillette one? I still have that. I'm saving it for a special occasion. Louis Yes, it was Penn passing on a personal heartfelt, and well-deserved message for WW. A true classic. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:05    Quote (J-Dog @ May 08 2008,17:01) Quote (Louis @ May 08 2008,10:25) Quote (J-Dog @ May 08 2008,15:59) Even his new icon is dumb.  Not even as rough as Louis's old one.  Now that was edgy! The Penn Jillette one? I still have that. I'm saving it for a special occasion. Louis Yes, it was Penn passing on a personal heartfelt, and well-deserved message for WW. A true classic. Incidentally, have we heard anything substantive yet from good old William Wallace? If we do, can someone wake me for the the second reel, I hate it when I dribble into my popcorn halfway through a creationist dismembering. Louis -------------- Bye.

dheddle Posts: 545 Joined: Sep. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:08    Quote (J-Dog @ May 08 2008,09:59) Even his new icon is dumb.  Not even as rough as Louis's old one.  Now that was edgy! If you guys should ever hold an American Avatar Idol I would have to vote for J-Dog's. Although K.E.'s (before he became K.E..) was darn good too. -------------- Mysticism is a rational enterprise. Religion is not. The mystic has recognized something about the nature of consciousness prior to thought, and this recognition is susceptible to rational discussion. The mystic has reason for what he believes, and these reasons are empirical. --Sam Harris

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:12    Quote (Louis @ May 08 2008,11:05) Quote (J-Dog @ May 08 2008,17:01) Quote (Louis @ May 08 2008,10:25)   Quote (J-Dog @ May 08 2008,15:59) Even his new icon is dumb.  Not even as rough as Louis's old one.  Now that was edgy! The Penn Jillette one? I still have that. I'm saving it for a special occasion. Louis Yes, it was Penn passing on a personal heartfelt, and well-deserved message for WW. A true classic. Incidentally, have we heard anything substantive yet from good old William Wallace? If we do, can someone wake me for the the second reel, I hate it when I dribble into my popcorn halfway through a creationist dismembering. Louis I think young Master Debater WW lacks the staying power of a true-believer like FTK or sceptic.   Kids today.  What are you going to do?  I recall... seems just like yesterday... fighting the Fundamentalists both on the way to school and the way home from school, even in the rain and snow.  WE had to dodge bibles, and old ladies saying prayers at us too. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

William Wallace Posts: 67 Joined: May 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:15    Blipey, Why do you and your ilk think that creationists must answer every question you ask? You might make more headway if you and your ilk were less hostile. For example, Jeff Snell on KKMS yesterday mentioned the vile treatment he received over at OZ Myer's Phartngula. But keep it up.  Christians listen to KKMS, and don't much frequent AtBC or other PT-mafia hangouts, but they do listen when Jeff mentions the behavior of evolanders on KKMS.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:22    Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,09:15) Blipey, Why do you and your ilk think that creationists must answer every question you ask? You might make more headway if you and your ilk were less hostile. For example, Jeff Snell on KKMS yesterday mentioned the vile treatment he received over at OZ Myer's Phartngula. But keep it up.  Christians listen to KKMS, and don't much frequent AtBC or other PT-mafia hangouts, but they do listen when Jeff mentions the behavior of evolanders on KKMS. AW, YOU EVOWANDERS IS SO MEEEEEEEEN!!!!! So, Willy, who first 'coined' evolander? Did Sternberg get fired from anything? How old do you think the earth is? What do you think the 'theory' of ID is? (I see your avatar is still making Baby Jesus cry.   ) -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:26    Willy Wally doesn't want to talk science. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

William Wallace Posts: 67 Joined: May 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:28    Quote (Richardthughes @ May 08 2008,11:26) Willy Wally doesn't want to talk science. :( Sure I do, come to my blog and let's talk.  This place is not about science, but about defending an ideology.

dheddle Posts: 545 Joined: Sep. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:30    [quote=William Wallace]     Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,09:15) But keep it up.  Christians listen to KKMS, and don't much frequent AtBC or other PT-mafia hangouts, but they do listen when Jeff mentions the behavior of evolanders on KKMS. Hey, not true! The only place I hang out more that PT mafia sites is this site (that's jayski not dembski) . I have a vague recollection that it was supposed to be a good thing to be friends with sinners--that someone set such a precedent... -------------- Mysticism is a rational enterprise. Religion is not. The mystic has recognized something about the nature of consciousness prior to thought, and this recognition is susceptible to rational discussion. The mystic has reason for what he believes, and these reasons are empirical. --Sam Harris

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:30    Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,11:28) Quote (Richardthughes @ May 08 2008,11:26) Willy Wally doesn't want to talk science. :( Sure I do, come to my blog and let's talk.  This place is not about science, but about defending an ideology. This blog is chokablock full of scientists, Willy - and has a big readership. I'm wondering if you think ID is science? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:35    Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,09:28) Quote (Richardthughes @ May 08 2008,11:26) Willy Wally doesn't want to talk science. Sure I do, come to my blog and let's talk.  This place is not about science, but about defending an ideology. Why exactly are you afraid to answer questions here? Does the Mister Tough Guy attitude put forth by your avatar mean NOTHING? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:39    I hope Willy's not like Kevin Miller where he wants to talk about talking about science. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:44    Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,17:28) Quote (Richardthughes @ May 08 2008,11:26) Willy Wally doesn't want to talk science. :( Sure I do, come to my blog and let's talk.  This place is not about science, but about defending an ideology. I call bullshit. YOU came HERE. YOU came to PT. You want to talk science, we're all ears, eyes, typing fingers and brains*. Go for it. What's the problem with posting your devastaingly profound science right here. If you think it will be altered without your permission (which it won't) keep a copy and post it to your blog. If we nasty, evil, evolutionist, Nazi lovers (or whatever your fanatasy about us is) do anything untoward, you then have a written record of it. If we deal with it perfectly fairly (which we will I guarantee you) then you get to expose our horribly flawed science with your amazingly powerful critiques and evidence. Win-win for you, right? Of course if you want to play the standard creationist two step and shuffle, then you will be mocked endlessly and mercilessly. Tell you what, we're occasionally cynical and mean, we've seen your sort before, perhaps we've wronged you, perhaps we've jumped to a false positive with out "creationist shithead detectors". Perhaps we haven't. How about you make the first move, forgive us our presumption, frivolity and mockery and present some science. My guess is not only that you won't, but that you can't. Stop making excuses and prove me, and everyone else here, wrong. Louis ETA * Which reminds me, I owe two proper posts, as opposed to two posts of Mornington Crescent/knob jokes/lolcats/abuse etc. Fuck it, I'll have to find some time this week. -------------- Bye.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:47    He's already gone, no surprise: Quote 61 guests, 19 Public Members and 1 Anonymous Members   [ View Complete List ] >Arden Chatfield >midwifetoad >Albatrossity2 >dheddle >Kristine >Pseudo Nym >SpeedDemon >oldmanintheskydidntdoit >Louis >Richardthughes >Richard Simons >George >Mr_Christopher >JohnW >Lou FCD >Bob O'H >Roland Anderson >awhite >dogdidit What? No one with 'Viagra' in their name? WTF??? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:49    Quote (dheddle @ May 08 2008,17:30) [quote=William Wallace]     Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,09:15) But keep it up.  Christians listen to KKMS, and don't much frequent AtBC or other PT-mafia hangouts, but they do listen when Jeff mentions the behavior of evolanders on KKMS. Hey, not true! The only place I hang out more that PT mafia sites is this site (that's jayski not dembski) . I have a vague recollection that it was supposed to be a good thing to be friends with sinners--that someone set such a precedent... Sinners? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha. You have no idea. Louis -------------- Bye.

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:50    I'm always amused when supposedly conservative folks like Dembski and Stein play the victim card. When did this start, and when did it become the dominant mode of anti-science argument? -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:51    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 08 2008,11:47) He's already gone, no surprise: Quote 61 guests, 19 Public Members and 1 Anonymous Members   [ View Complete List ] >Arden Chatfield >midwifetoad >Albatrossity2 >dheddle >Kristine >Pseudo Nym >SpeedDemon >oldmanintheskydidntdoit >Louis >Richardthughes >Richard Simons >George >Mr_Christopher >JohnW >Lou FCD >Bob O'H >Roland Anderson >awhite >dogdidit What? No one with 'Viagra' in their name? WTF??? Hope that wasn't a drive-by trolling! http://www.ex-designz.net/englishmidis/nowplaying.asp?mid=691 -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

dheddle Posts: 545 Joined: Sep. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:55    Quote (Louis @ May 08 2008,11:49) Sinners? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha. You have no idea. Louis All that matters is that you reach the level of tax collectors and/or harlots. -------------- Mysticism is a rational enterprise. Religion is not. The mystic has recognized something about the nature of consciousness prior to thought, and this recognition is susceptible to rational discussion. The mystic has reason for what he believes, and these reasons are empirical. --Sam Harris

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:58    Quote (dheddle @ May 08 2008,12:55) Quote (Louis @ May 08 2008,11:49) Sinners? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha. You have no idea. Louis All that matters is that you reach the level of tax collectors and/or harlots. Well that's a terribly unfair association.  Prostitution is a perfectly honorable profession. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

William Wallace Posts: 67 Joined: May 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,12:09    Well, if you click on my homepage, you'll see I have a new post "Observations, experimentation, Occam’s razor, and gravity..." If you'd like discuss science and the scientific method, come on over.

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,12:10    Quote (dheddle @ May 08 2008,17:55) Quote (Louis @ May 08 2008,11:49) Sinners? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha. You have no idea. Louis All that matters is that you reach the level of tax collectors and/or harlots. Hmmm it'll be a tough ask, but I'll try. I've never stopped "sinning"* long enough to make it up to "tax collector". Louis * Although I'm willing to bet we have wildly different views about not only what constitutes "sin" but even whether such a thing exists or such a concept is useful. -------------- Bye.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,12:12    Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,10:09) Well, if you click on my homepage, you'll see I have a new post "Observations, experimentation, Occam’s razor, and gravity..." If you'd like discuss science and the scientific method, come on over. Why are you afraid to answer questions here? No one's 'banning' you, Wally, strut your stuff! -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,12:19    Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,12:09) Well, if you click on my homepage, you'll see I have a new post "Observations, experimentation, Occam’s razor, and gravity..." If you'd like discuss science and the scientific method, come on over. Quote Your comment is awaiting moderation. I saw that comming. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

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