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Posted: July 09 2010,10:09

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Just curious, but what has this warvarmint...thing...have to do with Vox Day?

I think he invented it.

Ahhh...I thought it might be something like that, but I couldn't find a reference to him on the sites. Thanks!

Ok...as you were...continue the flogging!

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Posted: July 09 2010,11:16

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Just curious, but what has this warvarmint...thing...have to do with Vox Day?

I think he invented it.

Ahhh...I thought it might be something like that, but I couldn't find a reference to him on the sites. Thanks!

Ok...as you were...continue the flogging!

This was the first post on this thread that I found mentioning this: http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y159827

(sorry, for some reason I can't format it)

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Posted: July 09 2010,15:43

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Just curious, but what has this warvarmint...thing...have to do with Vox Day?

I think he invented it.

... in one of the most peculiar expressions of overcompensation ever.

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Posted: July 09 2010,16:02

Sweeeeeeeet!

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Posted: July 19 2010,09:01

Vox decides to pit science against religion:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2010/07/science-vs-religion.html

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PTQ claimed that science has a vast track record of correct predictions while religion has none. "Science has produced zillions of correct predictions. Religion has produced none. A bigger winner-loser gulf does not exist." Very well, then let's place a bet on the matter:

Religion: The poor will be with you always.
Science: Global poverty will be ended by 2025.

From The End of Poverty by economist Jeffrey Sachs: "This book declares, at the core, that steadfast, science-based approaches can end extreme poverty on the planet. The benefits of modern science and technology which have reached Bulgaria and most of the rest of the world can work for the poorest of the poor as well.... the great challenge and possibility of our time: to end extreme poverty on the planet by the year 2025."

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So my socks had some fun.

First - its a horrible strawman. Jeffrey Sachs is not the spokesman for 'science' nor is ".... the great challenge and possibility of our time: to end extreme poverty on the planet by the year 2025" a prediction, more like a call to arms.

The quote "The poor will be with you always." is from Mark 14. But Mark 16 has BETTER predictions:

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15He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

Funny how he didn't choose these ones.

Of course all the comments my sock made pointing this out to him were deleted, because the intellectual midget can have reality raining on his TARDrade.

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Posted: July 19 2010,10:35

Quote (Richardthughes @ July 19 2010,09:01)

Vox decides to pit science against religion:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2010/07/science-vs-religion.html

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PTQ claimed that science has a vast track record of correct predictions while religion has none. "Science has produced zillions of correct predictions. Religion has produced none. A bigger winner-loser gulf does not exist." Very well, then let's place a bet on the matter:

Religion: The poor will be with you always.
Science: Global poverty will be ended by 2025.

From The End of Poverty by economist Jeffrey Sachs: "This book declares, at the core, that steadfast, science-based approaches can end extreme poverty on the planet. The benefits of modern science and technology which have reached Bulgaria and most of the rest of the world can work for the poorest of the poor as well.... the great challenge and possibility of our time: to end extreme poverty on the planet by the year 2025."

...

So my socks had some fun.

First - its a horrible strawman. Jeffrey Sachs is not the spokesman for 'science' nor is ".... the great challenge and possibility of our time: to end extreme poverty on the planet by the year 2025" a prediction, more like a call to arms.

The quote "The poor will be with you always." is from Mark 14. But Mark 16 has BETTER predictions:

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15He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

Funny how he didn't choose these ones.

Of course all the comments my sock made pointing this out to him were deleted, because the intellectual midget can have reality raining on his TARDrade.

Now Richard, to be fair you should pick something else. That passage, know as the Markan Appendix is not in many of the oldest extant manuscripts. Most view it as an addition--and most bible translations will indicate that Mark 16:8 is probably the last verse in the chapter.

For example, the NIV inserts this comment after verse 9:

The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20

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Posted: July 19 2010,10:38

Quote (dheddle @ July 19 2010,10:35)

Quote (Richardthughes @ July 19 2010,09:01)

Vox decides to pit science against religion:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2010/07/science-vs-religion.html

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Quote

PTQ claimed that science has a vast track record of correct predictions while religion has none. "Science has produced zillions of correct predictions. Religion has produced none. A bigger winner-loser gulf does not exist." Very well, then let's place a bet on the matter:

Religion: The poor will be with you always.
Science: Global poverty will be ended by 2025.

From The End of Poverty by economist Jeffrey Sachs: "This book declares, at the core, that steadfast, science-based approaches can end extreme poverty on the planet. The benefits of modern science and technology which have reached Bulgaria and most of the rest of the world can work for the poorest of the poor as well.... the great challenge and possibility of our time: to end extreme poverty on the planet by the year 2025."

...

So my socks had some fun.

First - its a horrible strawman. Jeffrey Sachs is not the spokesman for 'science' nor is ".... the great challenge and possibility of our time: to end extreme poverty on the planet by the year 2025" a prediction, more like a call to arms.

The quote "The poor will be with you always." is from Mark 14. But Mark 16 has BETTER predictions:

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15He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

Funny how he didn't choose these ones.

Of course all the comments my sock made pointing this out to him were deleted, because the intellectual midget can have reality raining on his TARDrade.

Now Richard, to be fair you should pick something else. That passage, know as the Markan Appendix is not in many of the oldest extant manuscripts. Most view it as an addition--and most bible translations will indicate that Mark 16:8 is probably the last verse in the chapter.

For example, the NIV inserts this comment after verse 9:

The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20

Fair enough. But the The Codex Sinaiticus has no resurrection. Are you willing to toss that one out?

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Posted: July 19 2010,10:42

Fascinating link, David. How does in-errancy square with these obvious doubts over provenance?

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Posted: July 19 2010,10:48

Inerrancy by committee!

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Posted: July 19 2010,10:54

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Fascinating link, David. How does in-errancy square with these obvious doubts over provenance?

It's tricky. Technically the definition from Wiki:

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Biblical inerrancy is the doctrinal �position that the Bible is considered accurate and totally free of error.

Is not correct. Inerrancy claims that scripture is innerant. It doesn't claim the ability to determine what is scripture. It doesn't rule out that, say, Revelation is only included in the bible by mistake. The reliability of the canon is an entirely separate issue. (So Rich it is not innerancy by committee--it is "what is scripture" by committee.)

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Posted: July 19 2010,11:00

And everything I say is true apart from the lies...

From a practical standpoint, 'usability' if you will, it renders the bible errant.

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Posted: July 19 2010,11:04

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And everything I say is true apart from the lies...

From a practical standpoint, 'usability' if you will, it renders the bible errant.

Don't make me refudiate you!

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Posted: July 19 2010,11:57

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And everything I say is true apart from the lies...

From a practical standpoint, 'usability' if you will, it renders the bible errant.

Don't make me refudiate you!

talking snakes again Heddle?

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Posted: July 19 2010,12:03

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Of course all the comments my sock made pointing this out to him were deleted, because the intellectual midget can have reality raining on his TARDrade.

You'd think someone with a flaming sword wouldn't be such a chicken shit.

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Posted: July 19 2010,12:07

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Quote (Richardthughes @ July 19 2010,11:00)

And everything I say is true apart from the lies...

From a practical standpoint, 'usability' if you will, it renders the bible errant.

Don't make me refudiate you!

talking snakes again Heddle?

Actually k.e. there is no indication he spoke after he became a snake in Gen 3:14. Before that he might have looked like anything--for example like Joe Torre, but with big bosoms. Who knows these imponderables?

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Posted: July 19 2010,13:28

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Quote (Richardthughes @ July 19 2010,11:00)

And everything I say is true apart from the lies...

From a practical standpoint, 'usability' if you will, it renders the bible errant.

Don't make me refudiate you!

talking snakes again Heddle?

Actually k.e. there is no indication he spoke after he became a snake in Gen 3:14. Before that he might have looked like anything--for example like Joe Torre, but with big bosoms. Who knows these imponderables?

Yeah the whole thing is certainly open to individual interpretation especially the bossoms part.

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Posted: July 28 2010,06:19

That image reminds me of one suspicion I've always had about VD. Beyond the first impression of developed biceps, you start to realize due to the proportion of head and body to arm, you're looking at a very, very small man. I've seen guys like this in the gym and they're always about 5'1''. VD fits the Napoleon complex to a t.

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Posted: July 28 2010,06:21

VD: the acronyme fits the man, no doubts about it...

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Posted: July 28 2010,07:16

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VD: the acronyme fits the man, no doubts about it...

If you are insinuating that Theodore is an infected pustule on the anus of humanity who, like really virulent herpes, simply will not just go away, then I have to say one thing:

I agree wholeheartedly. Carry on.

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Posted: July 28 2010,10:44

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That image reminds me of one suspicion I've always had about VD. �Beyond the first impression of developed biceps, you start to realize due to the proportion of head and body to arm, you're looking at a very, very small man. �I've seen guys like this in the gym and they're always about 5'1''. �VD fits the Napoleon complex to a t.

That and the fact that he's wielding a LotR movie promotional letter opener.

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Posted: July 28 2010,11:42

Quote (Beelzebub667 @ July 28 2010,06:19)

That image reminds me of one suspicion I've always had about VD. �Beyond the first impression of developed biceps, you start to realize due to the proportion of head and body to arm, you're looking at a very, very small man. �I've seen guys like this in the gym and they're always about 5'1''. �VD fits the Napoleon complex to a t.

He hates women because they're taller than him.

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Posted: July 30 2010,09:16

Don't worry if you baught a FAILmouse. You can get a new FAILmouse that might work in 4 weeks.

http://warmouse.com/blog/?p=383

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Posted: July 30 2010,13:08

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Don't worry if you baught a FAILmouse. You can get a new FAILmouse that might work in 4 weeks.

http://warmouse.com/blog/?p=383

LOL. �What a bunch of hucksters. �Multiple problems with the mouse, probably not repairable, so - as a favor to their suckers - they are going to replace them.

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You will have the option of either sending your current mouse back to either our American or our UK address after the replacement mouse arrives or keeping your old mouse for $25. �If, as we anticipate, you prefer to send your old mouse back to us, you will have 30 days from the receipt of your replacement mouse to send it back. �If we don�t receive it, we will charge your credit card $30.

You can keep the broken mouse for $25, but if you don't send it back - it's $30.

You have 30 days to send it back before you get charged the $35. �After 30 days it's $40, plus freight makes it $45 for an even $50. �If you haven't canceled your credit card account in 2 months time, we will bill an additional $60 plus a $65 it's-cheaper-to-just-pay-it-than-hire-a-lawyer fee. �Any credit card accounts that are still valid after 3 months, we will assume that your hands are too crippled from trying to learn our wearymouse to use the phone (that and simply just unwilling to push any more buttons) and a new round of charges will begin.

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Posted: Aug. 01 2010,17:55

Typical small-time shady operation. Look, they know their mice are unusably flawed, but instead of doing the truly honorable thing and sending everyone who has already wasted their time and effort with it a new, fixed mouse, hassle free, they want to recoup the losses of their incompetence.

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Posted: Aug. 01 2010,19:00

Quote (Beelzebub667 @ Aug. 02 2010,08:55)

Typical small-time shady operation. �Look, they know their mice are unusably flawed, but instead of doing the truly honorable thing and sending everyone who has already wasted their time and effort with it a new, fixed mouse, hassle free, they want to recoup the losses of their incompetence.

No so much shady but incompentant. You think that you would at least spend some time testing the production mice before shipping.
These sound like pretty major flaws

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Posted: Aug. 03 2010,09:47

"Propper Popper" seems to be having fun with over there, he's called him out on Tiktaalik and his very poor PowerPoint.

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Posted: Aug. 03 2010,10:16

This is pathetic

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In order to improve our quality testing, we will select two or three customers and ask them to confirm the fixes as well before we pull the trigger on the production run.

Um, they could quite easily check themselves if the buttons work but no, for some reason customers will decide that...

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Posted: Aug. 03 2010,10:20

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This is pathetic

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In order to improve our quality testing, we will select two or three customers and ask them to confirm the fixes as well before we pull the trigger on the production run. �

Um, they could quite easily check themselves if the buttons work but no, for some reason customers will decide that...

Because statistically having three people test something on three units is all you need for very high confidence in mass produced electronic goods.

We call it .006 Sigma.

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Posted: Aug. 03 2010,12:21

That's not a mouse.

THIS is a mouse.

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