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Doc Bill Posts: 1039 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2011,19:18    Hey, IBIG, since you're a God Genius perhaps you could answer a few simple God questions? 1.  Is God alive? 2.  Assuming "alive" means reproducing (or respiration), does God reproduce?  With whom?  (Besides Mary, of course, nudge nudge!) 3.  Does God breathe?  If so, what? 4.  Does God get bored?  If so, why? Thanks.

Badger3k Posts: 861 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2011,19:26    Quote (Doc Bill @ Jan. 10 2011,19:18) Hey, IBIG, since you're a God Genius perhaps you could answer a few simple God questions? 1.  Is God alive? 2.  Assuming "alive" means reproducing (or respiration), does God reproduce?  With whom?  (Besides Mary, of course, nudge nudge!) 3.  Does God breathe?  If so, what? 4.  Does God get bored?  If so, why? Thanks. How big is God's penis, and is it circumcised.  And if so, who did it? ETA - the serious question of: a perfect being is one who lacks nothing, who is satisfied - desire arises out of a wish for things to be different, aka - dissatisfaction (just giving a simple argument here, naturally).   Why would such a being create anything at all?   Why would such a being create creatures who he sets up to fail, who he deliberately knows the majority of them would fail, and be tortured forever - and by "know" I mean 100%-accurate-no-chance-of-being-wrong certainty.  Why would a perfect being do that? Religion claims to have explanations, so please explain. -------------- "Just think if every species had a different genetic code We would have to eat other humans to survive.." : Joe G

Doc Bill Posts: 1039 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2011,21:07    Quote How big is God's penis, and is it circumcised.  And if so, who did it? It's >this< big and my doctor did it.  Legend has it he needed his entire staff to wrestle the foreskin to the ground.  I was left with a mere 18". Stunted, I am. Although it is recognized by the fair sex who exclaim, repeatedly, Oh God, Oh God! Unlike Louis' experience with is along the lines of WTF, WTF???

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2011,03:48    Quote (Badger3k @ Jan. 10 2011,19:26)   Quote (Doc Bill @ Jan. 10 2011,19:18) Hey, IBIG, since you're a God Genius perhaps you could answer a few simple God questions? 1.  Is God alive? 2.  Assuming "alive" means reproducing (or respiration), does God reproduce?  With whom?  (Besides Mary, of course, nudge nudge!) 3.  Does God breathe?  If so, what? 4.  Does God get bored?  If so, why? Thanks. How big is God's penis, and is it circumcised.  And if so, who did it? ETA - the serious question of: a perfect being is one who lacks nothing, who is satisfied - desire arises out of a wish for things to be different, aka - dissatisfaction (just giving a simple argument here, naturally).   Why would such a being create anything at all?   Why would such a being create creatures who he sets up to fail, who he deliberately knows the majority of them would fail, and be tortured forever - and by "know" I mean 100%-accurate-no-chance-of-being-wrong certainty.  Why would a perfect being do that? Religion claims to have explanations, so please explain. John Allegro made some interesting comments on the origins of God and his Sumerian names in "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross". From memory - I read it sometime back in the early 70's - one of the first was (adlibbing here) "Big-dick-in-the-sky." While I don't quite subscribe to all of Allegro's conclusions, the book is a very interesting and good read. -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2011,08:26    Why am I suddenly reminded of the Monty Python skit where the people are hiding behind bushes, like the only bush in a field and the narrators are doing some recon by fire to find them? It's almost like a cowardly guy running around a hotel with a black trenchcoat on, but refuses to talk to anyone. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2011,10:07    Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 11 2011,14:26) Why am I suddenly reminded of the Monty Python skit where the people are hiding behind bushes, like the only bush in a field and the narrators are doing some recon by fire to find them? It's almost like a cowardly guy running around a hotel with a black trenchcoat on, but refuses to talk to anyone. Congratulations on your 666th post. NOW will IBIG make with his speil about the real reasons behind everything? We all know it's demons, right? Has to be, the guy's a religious kook. Louis -------------- Bye.

Stanton Posts: 266 Joined: Jan. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2011,17:46    Quote (Louis @ Jan. 11 2011,10:07) ...NOW will IBIG make with his speil about the real reasons behind everything? We all know it's demons, right? Has to be, the guy's a religious kook. Louis You mean how IBelieve always says that science is evil and stupid because GODDIDIT is what really happened, and that every single person in the whole wide world, especially the evil, stupid scientists, who disagrees with doesn't worship his bullshit is an evil, devil-worshiping atheist who hates hates hates hates hates God? I wish he'd explain how saying that God "spoke the laws into existence" is supposed to be better than science, as well as how it's supposed to be different than saying God "magically poofed the world into existence using magic." But, I might as well wish for the moon if that's the case.

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2011,19:29    Quote (Stanton @ Jan. 11 2011,23:46) Quote (Louis @ Jan. 11 2011,10:07) ...NOW will IBIG make with his speil about the real reasons behind everything? We all know it's demons, right? Has to be, the guy's a religious kook. Louis You mean how IBelieve always says that science is evil and stupid because GODDIDIT is what really happened, and that every single person in the whole wide world, especially the evil, stupid scientists, who disagrees with doesn't worship his bullshit is an evil, devil-worshiping atheist who hates hates hates hates hates God? I wish he'd explain how saying that God "spoke the laws into existence" is supposed to be better than science, as well as how it's supposed to be different than saying God "magically poofed the world into existence using magic." But, I might as well wish for the moon if that's the case. And how everything in the world is a conspiracy "inspired" by demonic influences and Satan. Or Intergalactic Space Lizards. Or Jews. It depends on which species of religious whack job IBIG is. I mean, he could be just your common or garden whack job who believes the line his pastor sold him on Sunday and thinks a few bible study sessions equates to an edumification. He could be a right wing global conspiracy nut who believes that homosexualists have Teh Gay Agenda which means that global warming greenie weirdos will make him walk to the shops and speak Chinese whilst having Socialised Medicine for undeserving poor people. He could be a tinfoil hat wearer who believes that the Space Lizards rule the world and are burying bones to fool humankind and making up Teh DNA Evidenz whilst making his teeth speak to him. He could just be some old racist/anti-semite who believes all of the above just substituting the word "Jews" at the appropriate points. Either way, we're never going to know until we find out his real motivations. My money is on the "Satan inspired conspiracy/Demons" angle. He just seems the type based on what I have read. Perhaps Harry Potter books are the work of Satan, perhaps the world was corrupted by Goths and D+D's Gary Gygax. Who knows?  He could be the whole lot, never forget crank magnetism! Either way, the only way we're going to get some quality belly laughs is if numb nuts here fesses up. Because I for one am bored ri-hii-hii-HIIII-gid with pig ignorant, arrogant religious whack jobs spouting off a few partially digested (false) quasi-factoids and declaring WICTOWY! every other post. It's just so...so...so....OLD. I mean religious trolls of the world, can you STILL not do any better than this weak broth of pathetic shite? Please! Give a brother a new line in horseshit to combat. Do something that wasn't refuted over 2000 years before your birth by a bloke in a robe/kilt/toga. Louis -------------- Bye.

IBelieveInGod Posts: 68 Joined: Nov. 2010 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2011,19:40    Quote (Louis @ Jan. 11 2011,19:29) Quote (Stanton @ Jan. 11 2011,23:46)   Quote (Louis @ Jan. 11 2011,10:07) ...NOW will IBIG make with his speil about the real reasons behind everything? We all know it's demons, right? Has to be, the guy's a religious kook. Louis You mean how IBelieve always says that science is evil and stupid because GODDIDIT is what really happened, and that every single person in the whole wide world, especially the evil, stupid scientists, who disagrees with doesn't worship his bullshit is an evil, devil-worshiping atheist who hates hates hates hates hates God? I wish he'd explain how saying that God "spoke the laws into existence" is supposed to be better than science, as well as how it's supposed to be different than saying God "magically poofed the world into existence using magic." But, I might as well wish for the moon if that's the case. And how everything in the world is a conspiracy "inspired" by demonic influences and Satan. Or Intergalactic Space Lizards. Or Jews. It depends on which species of religious whack job IBIG is. I mean, he could be just your common or garden whack job who believes the line his pastor sold him on Sunday and thinks a few bible study sessions equates to an edumification. He could be a right wing global conspiracy nut who believes that homosexualists have Teh Gay Agenda which means that global warming greenie weirdos will make him walk to the shops and speak Chinese whilst having Socialised Medicine for undeserving poor people. He could be a tinfoil hat wearer who believes that the Space Lizards rule the world and are burying bones to fool humankind and making up Teh DNA Evidenz whilst making his teeth speak to him. He could just be some old racist/anti-semite who believes all of the above just substituting the word "Jews" at the appropriate points. Either way, we're never going to know until we find out his real motivations. My money is on the "Satan inspired conspiracy/Demons" angle. He just seems the type based on what I have read. Perhaps Harry Potter books are the work of Satan, perhaps the world was corrupted by Goths and D+D's Gary Gygax. Who knows?  He could be the whole lot, never forget crank magnetism! Either way, the only way we're going to get some quality belly laughs is if numb nuts here fesses up. Because I for one am bored ri-hii-hii-HIIII-gid with pig ignorant, arrogant religious whack jobs spouting off a few partially digested (false) quasi-factoids and declaring WICTOWY! every other post. It's just so...so...so....OLD. I mean religious trolls of the world, can you STILL not do any better than this weak broth of pathetic shite? Please! Give a brother a new line in horseshit to combat. Do something that wasn't refuted over 2000 years before your birth by a bloke in a robe/kilt/toga. Louis Are you okay??? I would cut down one the medicine before posting, because it appears that it is influencing your post! Why don't you discuss with civility, and then I will response to your post.

prong_hunter Posts: 45 Joined: May 2010 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2011,19:56    Quote (IBelieveInGod @ Jan. 11 2011,19:40) Why don't you discuss with civility, and then I will response to your post. Dear IBIG, I know your business demands much of your attention. You probably haven't had time to read my earlier post. Why don't you use your business success to file a patent for "life only comes from life"? Since there is already a patent for "creation of primordial life" from non-life, would it not be a great victory for God and Church to obtain a patent for "life only comes from life"? Put your money where your heart is, so to speak. If your are truly convinced, then why not demonstrate it to the whole world? Forget all this forum stuff. If special creation is true, and you believe it, then why not prove it with a US patent? Thank you for your attention.

Stanton Posts: 266 Joined: Jan. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2011,22:05    Quote (IBelieveInGod @ Jan. 11 2011,19:40) Are you okay??? I would cut down one the medicine before posting, because it appears that it is influencing your post! Why don't you discuss with civility, and then I will response to your post. It's hypocritical of you to request we be civil to you when you find the very idea of an actual civil discussion to be completely anathema. I mean, why would we consider slave-like deference to you and your inane bullshit to be "civility"? Why are we to consider your own behavior toward us to be "civility"? You have never been civil to us, what with your constant setting up inane gotcha games to mock us for not being as stupid as you are, or how you accuse us of putting words in your mouth while you twist everybody else's words to suit your own bigotry or how you constantly accuse us of being hypocrites and evil, devil-worshiping, God-hating atheists simply because we point out your bullshitting.

Stanton Posts: 266 Joined: Jan. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2011,22:07    Quote (prong_hunter @ Jan. 11 2011,19:56) Quote (IBelieveInGod @ Jan. 11 2011,19:40) Why don't you discuss with civility, and then I will response to your post. Dear IBIG, I know your business demands much of your attention. You probably haven't had time to read my earlier post. Why don't you use your business success to file a patent for "life only comes from life"? Since there is already a patent for "creation of primordial life" from non-life, would it not be a great victory for God and Church to obtain a patent for "life only comes from life"? Put your money where your heart is, so to speak. If your are truly convinced, then why not demonstrate it to the whole world? Forget all this forum stuff. If special creation is true, and you believe it, then why not prove it with a US patent? Thank you for your attention. That would be totally impossible for IBelieve to do, as it does not directly require bullshitting for Jesus or being a pompous moron for Jesus.

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,00:58    Quote (Stanton @ Jan. 11 2011,22:07) Quote (prong_hunter @ Jan. 11 2011,19:56) Quote (IBelieveInGod @ Jan. 11 2011,19:40) Why don't you discuss with civility, and then I will response to your post. Dear IBIG, I know your business demands much of your attention. You probably haven't had time to read my earlier post. Why don't you use your business success to file a patent for "life only comes from life"? Since there is already a patent for "creation of primordial life" from non-life, would it not be a great victory for God and Church to obtain a patent for "life only comes from life"? Put your money where your heart is, so to speak. If your are truly convinced, then why not demonstrate it to the whole world? Forget all this forum stuff. If special creation is true, and you believe it, then why not prove it with a US patent? Thank you for your attention. That would be totally impossible for IBelieve to do, as it does not directly require bullshitting for Jesus or being a pompous moron for Jesus. It would--interestingly--require believing in Jesus.  How 'bout it IBIG?  Do you believe in Jesus? -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,04:10    Bwaahahahahahahahahahaha! Oh I like you! Civility eh? Demonstrate some basic intellectual integrity and I might bother. Until then Standard Mockerating Procedure will be applied. Louis ETA: P.S. I love how these people clutch their pearls when roundly mocked for being cranks. It's the very hallmark of someone uninterested and incapable of simple intellectual exploration. Hence: Teh Mockerie! FETA: P.P.S. I have always loved, and I do mean LOVED, the utter arrogance with which the scientifically illiterate and ignorant simply assert that the preponderance of the scientific data is wrong. They always do so with an airy, condescending handwave as if the tiny anomaly they think they have squirreled out is something never seen by anyone or thought of by the relevant people in the relevant field. It's always better when the arrogant ignoramus does this with added Jesus. Makes it all the more mockable. -------------- Bye.

IBelieveInGod Posts: 68 Joined: Nov. 2010 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,06:58    Quote (prong_hunter @ Jan. 11 2011,19:56) Quote (IBelieveInGod @ Jan. 11 2011,19:40) Why don't you discuss with civility, and then I will response to your post. Dear IBIG, I know your business demands much of your attention. You probably haven't had time to read my earlier post. Why don't you use your business success to file a patent for "life only comes from life"? Since there is already a patent for "creation of primordial life" from non-life, would it not be a great victory for God and Church to obtain a patent for "life only comes from life"? Put your money where your heart is, so to speak. If your are truly convinced, then why not demonstrate it to the whole world? Forget all this forum stuff. If special creation is true, and you believe it, then why not prove it with a US patent? Thank you for your attention. I find your post amusing, because you you state, since there is already a patent for "creation of primordial life" from non-life. You stated creation of primordial life, don't you see the irony of your post? If God created life, when He created man He created man from non-life "from the dust of the earth".   If God created life, then what would be the purpose of a patent for what He created? According to your logic, maybe someone should get a patent on the creation of humans:)

Stanton Posts: 266 Joined: Jan. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,08:07    Quote (IBelieveInGod @ Jan. 12 2011,06:58) Quote (prong_hunter @ Jan. 11 2011,19:56) Quote (IBelieveInGod @ Jan. 11 2011,19:40) Why don't you discuss with civility, and then I will response to your post. Dear IBIG, I know your business demands much of your attention. You probably haven't had time to read my earlier post. Why don't you use your business success to file a patent for "life only comes from life"? Since there is already a patent for "creation of primordial life" from non-life, would it not be a great victory for God and Church to obtain a patent for "life only comes from life"? Put your money where your heart is, so to speak. If your are truly convinced, then why not demonstrate it to the whole world? Forget all this forum stuff. If special creation is true, and you believe it, then why not prove it with a US patent? Thank you for your attention. I find your post amusing, because you you state, since there is already a patent for "creation of primordial life" from non-life. You stated creation of primordial life, don't you see the irony of your post? If God created life, when He created man He created man from non-life "from the dust of the earth".   If God created life, then what would be the purpose of a patent for what He created? According to your logic, maybe someone should get a patent on the creation of humans:) Then explain to us why saying "God made people from dust using magic" is more scientific than saying "people share a common ancestry with apes because of fossil and genetic evidence" Explain to us why saying "God spoke the laws into existence" is supposed to be more scientific than actual science. Explain to us how and why saying "God spoke the laws into existence" is supposed to be different than saying "God magically poofed the world into existence using magic"

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,08:12    I am wondering, as I idly sip a coffee, if IBIG knows of any specific obstacle to abiogenesis. What steps would an abiogenetic series of processes need to go through to convert "non-living" chemicals into "living" systems? What hurdles need to be overcome? Which of said hurdles are physically impossible? I'm seeing a lot of "I don't know how it happened therefore it couldn't have happened" from IBIG. I'm also seeing a lot of "You scientists don't have every step of the path fossilised in a bottle therefore it didn't happen" and other sundry excuses. I'm seeing a great deal of "I don't know, therefore no one knows" where IBIG takes his ignorance to be some sort of evidence. I'm also seeing a lot of misunderstanding of what science, at its root, IS (i.e. a lot of misunderstanding about the provisional nature of science and what have you). I'm not seeing a lot of, well, for want of a better word, chemistry. After all, if "non-living" chemicals were to give rise "spontaneously" to "living" systems then isn't this a chemical issue? What specific chemical barriers are there that IBIG is aware of and the entirety of the chemical sciences are not? Ooooooh I know we'll get a lot of irrelevant waffle about information and intelligence, and I know that we'll get shifting definitions and goaposts that move so fast they red shift. I also know that anything done in a lab will be claimed as some weird victory for this mystical property "intelligence".* As if putting chemicals in a flask imbues them with some magic property that wills them to flout thermodynamics and kinetics and deliver the desired result.** Now I know your average internet denizen, which IBIG clearly is, can google and wiki and copy and paste, and this gives them an...now how shall I put this civilly... (Hello Messrs Dunning and Kruger)...ah yes....completely undeserved sense of understanding something they have no clue about, so it's a massive waste of my time and effort to even engage a kook. Been there. Done that. Got the T shirt. So I wonder if IBIG is worth taking seriously, and hence, dealing with civilly at all. I wonder if he can demonstrate he is. My money's on not, but then I am a deeply pessimistic git when it comes to the internet. It's not about understaniding for the IBIGs of this world, it's about gainsaying and protecting themselves from rationally considering their beliefs. I'm not willing to help them play that game. Louis *FAO Ogre: Just FYI I've been round this Mulberry Bush a few gazillion times. It's why I am so delightfully jaded and sarcastic with these pointless cranks. Trust me, I know my onions. Given a tray of vegetables I can pick out the onion 9 times out of 10. Honest. Ok, perhaps 8. ;-) **I. Fucking. Wish. -------------- Bye.

Stanton Posts: 266 Joined: Jan. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,08:14    Quote (Louis @ Jan. 12 2011,08:12) I am wondering, as I idly sip a coffee, if IBIG knows of any specific obstacle to abiogenesis. What steps would an abiogenetic series of processes need to go through to convert "non-living" chemicals into "living" systems? What hurdles need to be overcome? Which of said hurdles are physically impossible? The only obstacles he's "found" were obvious and deliberate quotemines of Wikipedia and other articles, as well as various pleas to the 2 Law of Thermodynamics, and that Abiogenesis is really an evil plot by evil scientists to turn children into evil God-hating zombie atheists.

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,08:29    IBIG has proven over the past 6 months that he is not capable of learning.  And the Dunning-Krueger comment is so spot on... he could be a case study. IBIG knows next to nothing about science, theology, history or anything else AFAIK. So, yes, we are all wasting our time.  However, for me, picking holes in his statements is a learning procdess for me... sometimes. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,08:56    I just found this statement, which exlains so much... though I can't find the original: Quote Sociologist of religion Tex Sample asserts that it is a mistake to refer to a Muslim, Jewish, or Christian Fundamentalist. Rather, a fundamentalist's fundamentalism is their primary concern, over and above other denominational or faith considerations. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,09:46    Quote (Stanton @ Jan. 12 2011,14:14) Quote (Louis @ Jan. 12 2011,08:12) I am wondering, as I idly sip a coffee, if IBIG knows of any specific obstacle to abiogenesis. What steps would an abiogenetic series of processes need to go through to convert "non-living" chemicals into "living" systems? What hurdles need to be overcome? Which of said hurdles are physically impossible? The only obstacles he's "found" were obvious and deliberate quotemines of Wikipedia and other articles, as well as various pleas to the 2 Law of Thermodynamics, and that Abiogenesis is really an evil plot by evil scientists to turn children into evil God-hating zombie atheists. Well we do kick puppies and punch kittens. I've even eaten a baby. Mmmmmm crispy fried babies with BBQ sauce. Nice! Louis -------------- Bye.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,10:45    Quote (Louis @ Jan. 12 2011,07:46) Quote (Stanton @ Jan. 12 2011,14:14) Quote (Louis @ Jan. 12 2011,08:12) I am wondering, as I idly sip a coffee, if IBIG knows of any specific obstacle to abiogenesis. What steps would an abiogenetic series of processes need to go through to convert "non-living" chemicals into "living" systems? What hurdles need to be overcome? Which of said hurdles are physically impossible? The only obstacles he's "found" were obvious and deliberate quotemines of Wikipedia and other articles, as well as various pleas to the 2 Law of Thermodynamics, and that Abiogenesis is really an evil plot by evil scientists to turn children into evil God-hating zombie atheists. Well we do kick puppies and punch kittens. I've even eaten a baby. Mmmmmm crispy fried babies with BBQ sauce. Nice! Louis I hope you were civil while doing it. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Badger3k Posts: 861 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,10:51    Quote (Stanton @ Jan. 12 2011,08:14) Quote (Louis @ Jan. 12 2011,08:12) I am wondering, as I idly sip a coffee, if IBIG knows of any specific obstacle to abiogenesis. What steps would an abiogenetic series of processes need to go through to convert "non-living" chemicals into "living" systems? What hurdles need to be overcome? Which of said hurdles are physically impossible? The only obstacles he's "found" were obvious and deliberate quotemines of Wikipedia and other articles, as well as various pleas to the 2 Law of Thermodynamics, and that Abiogenesis is really an evil plot by evil scientists to turn children into evil God-hating zombie atheists. No - "chemistry can't give a creature a soul"-type comment? -------------- "Just think if every species had a different genetic code We would have to eat other humans to survive.." : Joe G

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,11:15    Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 12 2011,16:45) Quote (Louis @ Jan. 12 2011,07:46) Quote (Stanton @ Jan. 12 2011,14:14)   Quote (Louis @ Jan. 12 2011,08:12) I am wondering, as I idly sip a coffee, if IBIG knows of any specific obstacle to abiogenesis. What steps would an abiogenetic series of processes need to go through to convert "non-living" chemicals into "living" systems? What hurdles need to be overcome? Which of said hurdles are physically impossible? The only obstacles he's "found" were obvious and deliberate quotemines of Wikipedia and other articles, as well as various pleas to the 2 Law of Thermodynamics, and that Abiogenesis is really an evil plot by evil scientists to turn children into evil God-hating zombie atheists. Well we do kick puppies and punch kittens. I've even eaten a baby. Mmmmmm crispy fried babies with BBQ sauce. Nice! Louis I hope you were civil while doing it. I said "please" and "thank you" and wore both a properly tied bow tie and an appropriately positioned napkin.* Otherwise I was naked. Does that count against me? Louis * Never, ever, "serviette". That would not be Correct. Ask a Mitford. -------------- Bye.

MadPanda, FCD Posts: 267 Joined: Nov. 2010 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,12:39    Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 12 2011,08:29) IBIG has proven over the past 6 months that he is not capable of learning.  And the Dunning-Krueger comment is so spot on... he could be a case study. IBIG knows next to nothing about science, theology, history or anything else AFAIK. So, yes, we are all wasting our time.  However, for me, picking holes in his statements is a learning procdess for me... sometimes. Not to mention that there is a certain therapeutic value in kicking the hell out of a moron who is prone to pulling on the shoe and loudly proclaiming that it fits. Is this unkind?  Well, nobody forces him to come here and spew his tripe...and frankly, there's very little that's as rude as telling other people that they're going to suffer for all time if they don't share your delusions (however politely this may be expressed). I'd rather he grew up, got a clue, and wandered away to do something more productive with his life.  But since he insists on being a poster child for Dunning-Kruger, I'll happily toss a few darts in between watching people who know the material kick him around. The MadPanda, FCD -------------- "No matter how ridiculous the internet tough guy, a thorough mocking is more effective than a swift kick to the gentleman vegetables with a hobnailed boot" --Louis

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,17:10    Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 12 2011,08:56) I just found this statement, which exlains so much... though I can't find the original: Quote Sociologist of religion Tex Sample asserts that it is a mistake to refer to a Muslim, Jewish, or Christian Fundamentalist. Rather, a fundamentalist's fundamentalism is their primary concern, over and above other denominational or faith considerations. This thread has now officially become worth the electrons purely because I now know their is a man named Tex Sample in the world. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,17:23    Quote (MadPanda, FCD @ Jan. 12 2011,12:39) Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 12 2011,08:29) IBIG has proven over the past 6 months that he is not capable of learning.  And the Dunning-Krueger comment is so spot on... he could be a case study. IBIG knows next to nothing about science, theology, history or anything else AFAIK. So, yes, we are all wasting our time.  However, for me, picking holes in his statements is a learning procdess for me... sometimes. Not to mention that there is a certain therapeutic value in kicking the hell out of a moron who is prone to pulling on the shoe and loudly proclaiming that it fits. Is this unkind?  Well, nobody forces him to come here and spew his tripe...and frankly, there's very little that's as rude as telling other people that they're going to suffer for all time if they don't share your delusions (however politely this may be expressed). I'd rather he grew up, got a clue, and wandered away to do something more productive with his life.  But since he insists on being a poster child for Dunning-Kruger, I'll happily toss a few darts in between watching people who know the material kick him around. The MadPanda, FCD It's not even Kreuger-Dunning anymore, IBIG hasn't said anything of any substance in months. I mean, it doesn't even require me to learn anything new to decimate his points.   He doesn't know anything about science. He doesn't know anything about ID. He doesn't know anything about religion. He doesn't know anything about theology. He doesn't know anything about history. He doesn't know anything about sociology. He doesn't know anything about psychology. He doesn't know anything about politics. He doesn't know anything about debate. He doesn't know anything about courtesy. He doesn't know anything about witnessing. He is, pretty much, a waste of carbon and oxygen that could be put to better use in a wombat, they, at least, are cute. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

prong_hunter Posts: 45 Joined: May 2010 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,18:22    Quote (IBelieveInGod @ Jan. 12 2011,06:58)         Quote (prong_hunter @ Jan. 11 2011,19:56)           Quote (IBelieveInGod @ Jan. 11 2011,19:40) Why don't you discuss with civility, and then I will response to your post. Dear IBIG, I know your business demands much of your attention. You probably haven't had time to read my earlier post. Why don't you use your business success to file a patent for "life only comes from life"? Since there is already a patent for "creation of primordial life" from non-life, would it not be a great victory for God and Church to obtain a patent for "life only comes from life"? Put your money where your heart is, so to speak. If your are truly convinced, then why not demonstrate it to the whole world? Forget all this forum stuff. If special creation is true, and you believe it, then why not prove it with a US patent? Thank you for your attention. I find your post amusing, because you you state, since there is already a patent for "creation of primordial life" from non-life. You stated creation of primordial life, don't you see the irony of your post? If God created life, when He created man He created man from non-life "from the dust of the earth".   If God created life, then what would be the purpose of a patent for what He created? According to your logic, maybe someone should get a patent on the creation of humans:) Dear IBIG, I think you misunderstand. In the context in which it was used, "creation of primordial life" from non-life, doesn't mean the US government granted a patent for God creating life. (You really need to read the patent.) In the context of the patent, "creation of" means coming about by natural processes extant in the primeval Earth, and "primordial life" means the first appearance of life where before there was no life. You said: "I believe that God created life, therefore I believe that Abiogenesis (life arose from non-life by natural causes without the aid of a Creator) is wrong." (IBIG-Jan 09, 2011, AtBC, IBIG forum, panel 17) So there is no irony here. The word "creation" above does not mean divine creation. It doesn't even mean that 'scientists' created life. Life simply emerges from non-life by reproducing the natural conditions on the primeval Earth. That all that is necessary. No deities required. This is what you define as Abiogenesis (see quote above). So this patent is for the coming about by natural processes extant in the primeval Earth, the first appearance of life where before there was no life. (No Creator referenced.) That's what the patent is about. That is Abiogenesis according to your definition. Your God didn't Create life. Life arose naturally. So, if you truly believe in "life comes only from life", then why not put your money where your heart is? Thank you if you have read this far.

IBelieveInGod Posts: 68 Joined: Nov. 2010 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,18:50    Quote (prong_hunter @ Jan. 12 2011,18:22) Quote (IBelieveInGod @ Jan. 12 2011,06:58)           Quote (prong_hunter @ Jan. 11 2011,19:56)           Quote (IBelieveInGod @ Jan. 11 2011,19:40) Why don't you discuss with civility, and then I will response to your post. Dear IBIG, I know your business demands much of your attention. You probably haven't had time to read my earlier post. Why don't you use your business success to file a patent for "life only comes from life"? Since there is already a patent for "creation of primordial life" from non-life, would it not be a great victory for God and Church to obtain a patent for "life only comes from life"? Put your money where your heart is, so to speak. If your are truly convinced, then why not demonstrate it to the whole world? Forget all this forum stuff. If special creation is true, and you believe it, then why not prove it with a US patent? Thank you for your attention. I find your post amusing, because you you state, since there is already a patent for "creation of primordial life" from non-life. You stated creation of primordial life, don't you see the irony of your post? If God created life, when He created man He created man from non-life "from the dust of the earth".   If God created life, then what would be the purpose of a patent for what He created? According to your logic, maybe someone should get a patent on the creation of humans:) Dear IBIG, I think you misunderstand. In the context in which it was used, "creation of primordial life" from non-life, doesn't mean the US government granted a patent for God creating life. (You really need to read the patent.) In the context of the patent, "creation of" means coming about by natural processes extant in the primeval Earth, and "primordial life" means the first appearance of life where before there was no life. You said: "I believe that God created life, therefore I believe that Abiogenesis (life arose from non-life by natural causes without the aid of a Creator) is wrong." (IBIG-Jan 09, 2011, AtBC, IBIG forum, panel 17) So there is no irony here. The word "creation" above does not mean divine creation. It doesn't even mean that 'scientists' created life. Life simply emerges from non-life by reproducing the natural conditions on the primeval Earth. That all that is necessary. No deities required. This is what you define as Abiogenesis (see quote above). So this patent is for the coming about by natural processes extant in the primeval Earth, the first appearance of life where before there was no life. (No Creator referenced.) That's what the patent is about. That is Abiogenesis according to your definition. Your God didn't Create life. Life arose naturally. So, if you truly believe in "life comes only from life", then why not put your money where your heart is? Thank you if you have read this far. Link To The Patent

MadPanda, FCD Posts: 267 Joined: Nov. 2010 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,19:46    Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 12 2011,17:23) He is, pretty much, a waste of carbon and oxygen that could be put to better use in a wombat, they, at least, are cute. They're also much more polite than the average Troo BeLIEver (tm pat pend), but that may be a side effect of being unable to talk. The MadPanda, FCD -------------- "No matter how ridiculous the internet tough guy, a thorough mocking is more effective than a swift kick to the gentleman vegetables with a hobnailed boot" --Louis

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