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k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2016,11:50    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Feb. 19 2016,05:09) Quote (Woodbine @ Feb. 18 2016,20:43) Guesses as to what's written on the door. Hair Club for Men? -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2016,11:50    Quote (KevinB @ Feb. 19 2016,09:32) Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 19 2016,08:24) *** and it looks like Barry and Joe are getting a little too much science in that case... They probably can't tell the difference between Methodological Naturalism and Baking. Baking is science for hungry people. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Doc Bill Posts: 1039 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2016,12:09    Quote (Woodbine @ Feb. 18 2016,22:39) According to that page the CENTER FOR EVOLUTIONARY INFORMATICS is doing business as 'Arbor Ministries'. Is this not fraud? It seems that Arbor Ministries (located at the home of Ken Knutzen of Seattle) went "inactive" about a year ago.  I did a Google of "arbor ministries, robert marks." Seattle, huh?  I know some Tooters who live there.  Small world - "intelligent design" creationism and Christian apologetics.  Who'd a thunk it!

paragwinn Posts: 539 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2016,21:34    Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 19 2016,09:50)   Quote (KevinB @ Feb. 19 2016,09:32)   Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 19 2016,08:24) *** and it looks like Barry and Joe are getting a little too much science in that case... They probably can't tell the difference between Methodological Naturalism and Baking. Baking is science for hungry people. That explains why Mary Baker Eddy founded Christian Science. -------------- All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11 F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11 Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2016,15:28    If you like your Granville heavily tenderized, this is a good thread.

Doc Bill Posts: 1039 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2016,19:29    Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 20 2016,15:28) If you like your Granville heavily tenderized, this is a good thread. Grandy S repeats the same old discredited stuff over, and over and over again. Maybe UD represents "Unlimited DiscreditedStuff."

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2016,20:41    Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 20 2016,15:28) If you like your Granville heavily tenderized, this is a good thread. I warned him about allowing comments.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2016,21:07    Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 20 2016,23:28) If you like your Granville heavily tenderized, this is a good thread. Tenderizing is just baking through entropy. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Learned Hand Posts: 214 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2016,21:13    Am I too late to pile on the Center for Evolutionary Informatics? According to its Form 990s, its primary exempt purpose is "ministry and information." All science so far! But it's ministry AND information, you say? Well, in 2013 it spent $92k on "ministry to, by and among university professors," "ministry to, by and among international students," and "ministry to, by and among internation students." (Other than the typo, I don't know what the difference is in those last two categories.) It spent $1,161.75 on "development of information for evolutionary informatics." Well, is spending on "evolutionary informatics" rising over time? It is not. In 2014, all spending was on the same ministry categories, and $0 were devoted to "evolutionary informatics." Marks, Dembski and Arrington each devoted one hour per week to the organization. The org as a whole took in about $87k in '13 and $70k in'14, in the form of "gifts, grants, contributions and membership fees." In each year it paid almost everything it took it right back out in "salaries, other compensation, and employee benefits." Not sure who got paid, since Marks, Dembski and Arrington each reported 0 compensation. Is this Ewert's salary, maybe, or are they supporting the ongoing research of Atom Tha Immortal?

Learned Hand Posts: 214 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2016,21:30    Wow, and according to the DI's 2013 990, Stephen Meyer made $200k. Incredible achievement-to-compensation ratio.

Learned Hand Posts: 214 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2016,21:42    And the Biologic Institute says that Axe makes over $100k (more than all its other payroll expenses combined). Creationism is a hell of a racket for the small clique of people at the top of the food chain! What an elegant business model: become the guardians of a lost cause supported by wealthy ideologues. You get to run up the bills and are never responsible for delivering results.

Tony M Nyphot Posts: 491 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2016,23:20    Quote (Learned Hand @ Feb. 20 2016,20:42) And the Biologic Institute says that Axe makes over $100k (more than all its other payroll expenses combined). Creationism is a hell of a racket for the small clique of people at the top of the food chain! What an elegant business model: become the guardians of a lost cause supported by wealthy ideologues. You get to run up the bills and are never responsible for delivering results. How many rubes know the extent they've been fleeced to support less-than-honest leaders of a scam enterprise? Maybe that huggy RichT character could assemble Learned Hand's discoveries into a TSZ post for that Mangy Mung cretin to wallow in. -------------- "I, OTOH, am an underachiever...I either pee my pants or faint dead away..." FTK "You could always wrap fresh fish in the paper you publish it on, though, and sell that." - Field Man on how to find value in Gary Gaulin's real-science "theory"

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2016,23:55    OhOhOhOh. I just had to post something. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

REC Posts: 638 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2016,00:11    Can we start a petition to revoke Granville Sewall's Ph.D.? That motherfucker is an insult to higher education. Or maybe he deserved it and is in decline, but what a muddled crapfest his writing is. He seriously can't distinguish entropy from enthalpy and somehow calls himself a physicist.

REC Posts: 638 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2016,00:19    Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Feb. 20 2016,23:20) Quote (Learned Hand @ Feb. 20 2016,20:42) And the Biologic Institute says that Axe makes over $100k (more than all its other payroll expenses combined). Creationism is a hell of a racket for the small clique of people at the top of the food chain! What an elegant business model: become the guardians of a lost cause supported by wealthy ideologues. You get to run up the bills and are never responsible for delivering results. How many rubes know the extent they've been fleeced to support less-than-honest leaders of a scam enterprise? Maybe that huggy RichT character could assemble Learned Hand's discoveries into a TSZ post for that Mangy Mung cretin to wallow in. Seriously, at some low points, that or some fancy diet bs to desperate fatties has crossed my mind. Need I say more than: Creflo Dollar ....pimp, sex trafficker, evangelical man of god.... http://newsbuzzdaily.com/wp-cont....994.jpg What are we doing her bitching, when we could have been cashing in? Hell, even Pat Robertson loves him some conflict diamonds....

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2016,10:13    Did Dollar ever get his new jet?  I know the old one really needed a wash and the carpets were getting out of style, Edited by CeilingCat on Feb. 21 2016,10:14

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2016,10:26    Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 20 2016,15:28) If you like your Granville heavily tenderized, this is a good thread. Let's not knock poor Granville as if he was the only IDiot in the whole world.  Nirwad is at least as stupid:     Quote   Quote How does a human egg grow into a baby? I would think that turning a single celled egg into a multi trillion celled baby would constitute a dramatic reduction in entropy. Is the second law being violated here? Obviously no violation. Embryo development is an exquisite work of intelligent design programming. In general the work of intelligence never violates the 2nd law. When you write a post, compose music, program on computer, etc. do you violate the 2nd law? Certainly no. The 2nd law expresses a natural tendency toward probable states. But per se it doesn’t forbid at all the presence of power able to go toward improbable states. In a conductor the laws of physics say the current is zero. But if you close the circuit and introduce a current generator the current flows, without violating any law.

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2016,10:39    Quote In general the work of intelligence never violates the 2nd law. That's a relief.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2016,10:39    Jesus Christ on a bicycle!  The next message is just as dumb!       Quote 24 niwrad February 21, 2016 at 3:00 am Gordon Davisson #22     Quote As far as the second law is concerned, intelligent agents are subject to exactly the same rule as everything else. […] Therefore, if there were an actual thermodynamic problem with evolution, adding intelligence would not solve it. As said above to MatSpirit, intelligence introduces in nature a factor able to organize. Per se nature is not able to self-organize. Nature needs something higher that overarches it and its laws. This somehow transcendent factor is intelligence. Nature tends to spontaneous disorganization (2nd law). Whatever you see organized in nature or elsewhere is the work of intelligent design (front-loaded or at run-time). So it is wrong to say “if there were an actual thermodynamic problem with evolution, adding intelligence would not solve it” because intelligence is exactly what it takes to solve the problems of lack of organization in all fields. Again, it is misleading to say “intelligent agents are subject to exactly the same rule as everything else”. In fact that presupposes materialism. Intelligent beings are spirit, soul, body. It is only as physical body that intelligent beings suffer the physical laws. Pure intelligence, which is spirit, transcends matter. For this reason it is able to organize matter, which per se goes toward disorganization. So we are finally arrived to the point. You are materialist and as such you are also evolutionist. I am non materialist and as such I am also design supporter. All square. Doesn't this guy claim to be a doctor?  "There's no need to eat when you're pregnant, maam.  You're intelligent.  You'll organize."

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2016,11:17    Quote (Woodbine @ Feb. 21 2016,10:39)   Quote In general the work of intelligence never violates the 2nd law. That's a relief. Yeah.  I'm thinking of starting The CeilingCat Moon Program.  With this new knowledge that ID has provided us, we can dispense with those expensive rockets and dangerous fuel. We're intelligent and thus free from the Second Law.  When we want to go to the moon, we'll just jump.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2016,12:16    Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 21 2016,19:17)       Quote (Woodbine @ Feb. 21 2016,10:39)         Quote In general the work of intelligence never violates the 2nd law. That's a relief. Yeah.  I'm thinking of starting The CeilingCat Moon Program.  With this new knowledge that ID has provided us, we can dispense with those expensive rockets and dangerous fuel. We're intelligent and thus free from the Second Law.  When we want to go to the moon, we'll just jump. Not so fast cat! According to the immaterialist Dr.(maybe) Niwrad the 2nd Law is responsible for 'teh fall' ©TM .....so no moon trips for you. Check mate Darwinists. Um.. were you suggesting intelligent jumping? If so carry on. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2016,12:46    Arthur Hunt and Gordon Davisson are beating sewell, nirwad, Mung, and the rest so badly that here's the feeble shit they're giving back: Quote 29 Mung February 21, 2016 at 11:49 am When you receive a deck of cards from the factory it is typically ordered by suit and rank. There’s only one of two things that can happen. It can stay the same. It can become “less ordered.” If you have a perfectly shuffled deck, there’s only one of two things that can happen. It can stay the same. It can become “more ordered.” Neither would entail a violation of the second law. poor granville weakly tries to defend himself, gets a beat-down. Edited by stevestory on Feb. 21 2016,13:47

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2016,17:39    Harry in Msg 26: Quote Why don’t you use your expertise to precisely define that more general and fundamental law? “Sewell’s Law” has a nice ring to it! Sewell's Folly has a nice ring to it too.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2016,18:03    Yeah, but unlike Granville's 'accomplishments', alaska turned out to be worth a shit.

Ptaylor Posts: 1180 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2016,01:52    Something about that thread (or maybe it was just boredom or some psychological issue) prompted me to check the UD archives. Amusingly enough, they were having the same conversation over at UD almost exactly 10 years ago, with ID critics pointing out that 2LOT has nothing to do with biology, and regulars insisting that it certainly does, and even if it doesn't, it should. There were a couple of related conversations going on, one of which gave the world this magnificent nugget:       Quote 31 physicistMarch 7, 2006 at 11:30 am Davescot If you can give me a clear and precisely worded example of an `intelligent’ agency causing a violation of the second law, please do. Me writing this sentence. -ds UD link As they say, plus ça change, plus c'est la tard PS Just reading the thread titles for March 2006 gives a few laughs*. Samples: Evolution in free-fall - William Dembski Finally, Nick Matzke Finds An Opponent That Makes Him Look Smart - Dave S[cot]. My 15 Minutes of Infamy in the Evolutionary Anthropology Community - GilDodgen Another Boner from the Church Burners - Dave S. Neo-Darwinism is Collapsing Under the Weight of the Integration of the Sciences - GilDodgen *Some of these are context-dependent for the lulz; notpologies to those of you who haven't been following UD as ridiculously long as me. -------------- We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.” -PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

someotherguy Posts: 398 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2016,06:27    Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 22 2016,01:52) Something about that thread (or maybe it was just boredom or some psychological issue) prompted me to check the UD archives. Amusingly enough, they were having the same conversation over at UD almost exactly 10 years ago, with ID critics pointing out that 2LOT has nothing to do with biology, and regulars insisting that it certainly does, and even if it doesn't, it should. There were a couple of related conversations going on, one of which gave the world this magnificent nugget:         Quote 31 physicistMarch 7, 2006 at 11:30 am Davescot If you can give me a clear and precisely worded example of an `intelligent’ agency causing a violation of the second law, please do. Me writing this sentence. -ds UD link As they say, plus ça change, plus c'est la tard PS Just reading the thread titles for March 2006 gives a few laughs*. Samples: Evolution in free-fall - William Dembski Finally, Nick Matzke Finds An Opponent That Makes Him Look Smart - Dave S[cot]. My 15 Minutes of Infamy in the Evolutionary Anthropology Community - GilDodgen Another Boner from the Church Burners - Dave S. Neo-Darwinism is Collapsing Under the Weight of the Integration of the Sciences - GilDodgen *Some of these are context-dependent for the lulz; notpologies to those of you who haven't been following UD as ridiculously long as me. Ah, those were the glory days. -------------- Evolander in training

Tony M Nyphot Posts: 491 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2016,13:36    Quote (someotherguy @ Feb. 22 2016,05:27) Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 22 2016,01:52) Something about that thread (or maybe it was just boredom or some psychological issue) prompted me to check the UD archives. Amusingly enough, they were having the same conversation over at UD almost exactly 10 years ago, with ID critics pointing out that 2LOT has nothing to do with biology, and regulars insisting that it certainly does, and even if it doesn't, it should. There were a couple of related conversations going on, one of which gave the world this magnificent nugget:           Quote 31 physicistMarch 7, 2006 at 11:30 am Davescot If you can give me a clear and precisely worded example of an `intelligent’ agency causing a violation of the second law, please do. Me writing this sentence. -ds UD link As they say, plus ça change, plus c'est la tard PS Just reading the thread titles for March 2006 gives a few laughs*. Samples: Evolution in free-fall - William Dembski Finally, Nick Matzke Finds An Opponent That Makes Him Look Smart - Dave S[cot]. My 15 Minutes of Infamy in the Evolutionary Anthropology Community - GilDodgen Another Boner from the Church Burners - Dave S. Neo-Darwinism is Collapsing Under the Weight of the Integration of the Sciences - GilDodgen *Some of these are context-dependent for the lulz; notpologies to those of you who haven't been following UD as ridiculously long as me. Ah, those were the glory days. Hard to believe I've tuned in to this for well over a decade. Banny Erring-a-ton is a poor man's DaveScot and has none of the entertainment value. It's no fun anymore. -------------- "I, OTOH, am an underachiever...I either pee my pants or faint dead away..." FTK "You could always wrap fresh fish in the paper you publish it on, though, and sell that." - Field Man on how to find value in Gary Gaulin's real-science "theory"

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2016,17:18    Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Feb. 22 2016,13:36) Quote (someotherguy @ Feb. 22 2016,05:27)   Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 22 2016,01:52) Something about that thread (or maybe it was just boredom or some psychological issue) prompted me to check the UD archives. Amusingly enough, they were having the same conversation over at UD almost exactly 10 years ago, with ID critics pointing out that 2LOT has nothing to do with biology, and regulars insisting that it certainly does, and even if it doesn't, it should. There were a couple of related conversations going on, one of which gave the world this magnificent nugget:           Quote 31 physicistMarch 7, 2006 at 11:30 am Davescot If you can give me a clear and precisely worded example of an `intelligent’ agency causing a violation of the second law, please do. Me writing this sentence. -ds UD link As they say, plus ça change, plus c'est la tard PS Just reading the thread titles for March 2006 gives a few laughs*. Samples: Evolution in free-fall - William Dembski Finally, Nick Matzke Finds An Opponent That Makes Him Look Smart - Dave S[cot]. My 15 Minutes of Infamy in the Evolutionary Anthropology Community - GilDodgen Another Boner from the Church Burners - Dave S. Neo-Darwinism is Collapsing Under the Weight of the Integration of the Sciences - GilDodgen *Some of these are context-dependent for the lulz; notpologies to those of you who haven't been following UD as ridiculously long as me. Ah, those were the glory days. Hard to believe I've tuned in to this for well over a decade. Banny Erring-a-ton is a poor man's DaveScot and has none of the entertainment value. It's no fun anymore. I don't know, Barry can be very entertaining at times. Especially when someone has logged in with a sock and agreed with him for a few comments (to get past moderation) and then slowly turned on him. This has given me hours of entertainment.

Tony M Nyphot Posts: 491 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2016,19:40    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Feb. 22 2016,16:18) Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Feb. 22 2016,13:36)   Quote (someotherguy @ Feb. 22 2016,05:27)     Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 22 2016,01:52) Something about that thread (or maybe it was just boredom or some psychological issue) prompted me to check the UD archives. Amusingly enough, they were having the same conversation over at UD almost exactly 10 years ago, with ID critics pointing out that 2LOT has nothing to do with biology, and regulars insisting that it certainly does, and even if it doesn't, it should. There were a couple of related conversations going on, one of which gave the world this magnificent nugget:             Quote 31 physicistMarch 7, 2006 at 11:30 am Davescot If you can give me a clear and precisely worded example of an `intelligent’ agency causing a violation of the second law, please do. Me writing this sentence. -ds UD link As they say, plus ça change, plus c'est la tard PS Just reading the thread titles for March 2006 gives a few laughs*. Samples: Evolution in free-fall - William Dembski Finally, Nick Matzke Finds An Opponent That Makes Him Look Smart - Dave S[cot]. My 15 Minutes of Infamy in the Evolutionary Anthropology Community - GilDodgen Another Boner from the Church Burners - Dave S. Neo-Darwinism is Collapsing Under the Weight of the Integration of the Sciences - GilDodgen *Some of these are context-dependent for the lulz; notpologies to those of you who haven't been following UD as ridiculously long as me. Ah, those were the glory days. Hard to believe I've tuned in to this for well over a decade. Banny Erring-a-ton is a poor man's DaveScot and has none of the entertainment value. It's no fun anymore. I don't know, Barry can be very entertaining at times. Especially when someone has logged in with a sock and agreed with him for a few comments (to get past moderation) and then slowly turned on him. This has given me hours of entertainment. Good to hear you are having fun, and I have enjoyed your forays, but for me the fleeting lives of socks and the momentary laughs they provide by their short existence in the BA era pale in respect to episodes like that of DaveScot, JanieBell and Corporal Kate. Not to mention posts with photos of praying soldiers... I'm not trying to impinge on anyone's present entertainment, but somehow, for me at least, there is a big difference between DaveScot's arrogance and Barry's, though I couldn't say exactly what. Barry is a blustery, mean-spirited, lunatic asshole that is as dumb as they come. Dave seemed to have an iota of smarts. About a few things. Occasionally. Maybe part of it for me is also the absence of certain denizens of AtBC too...Louis, Carlson, Arden, Louis' mum, Lenny, to name a few...and their takes on UD. -------------- "I, OTOH, am an underachiever...I either pee my pants or faint dead away..." FTK "You could always wrap fresh fish in the paper you publish it on, though, and sell that." - Field Man on how to find value in Gary Gaulin's real-science "theory"

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2016,04:45    Quote I'm not trying to impinge on anyone's present entertainment, but somehow, for me at least, there is a big difference between DaveScot's arrogance and Barry's, though I couldn't say exactly what. Barry is a blustery, mean-spirited, lunatic asshole that is as dumb as they come. Dave seemed to have an iota of smarts. About a few things. Occasionally. I think Dave didn't take himself or the debates so seriously: he enjoyed the discussions for their own sake. In contrast, Barry seems to be a true believer and views the Other Side (i.e. us) as the enemy. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

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