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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2014,22:34   

Quote (Lethean @ Aug. 06 2014,04:06)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 05 2014,08:07)
N.Wells, what you quoted is not even in the theory I gave you to study.




Double Dodge

The obfuscators ruse. Psuedes of the world take note. More Gishenish than the original. Almost as good as 'Were you there?'. Watching Gary nail jello to a wall is getting boring.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2014,08:10   

Quote (Lethean @ Aug. 05 2014,20:06)


Double Dodge

If it were not for the Thunderbird having been a more reasonable family car for us then I would have to be jealous.

I don't know what's installed under the hood of that muscle car but I would imagine our V8 was more fuel efficient.

And to humble us both is in this How a Top Fuel Dragster Works

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2014,17:51   

Mine had a 383 and would get to and sustain 150 MPH - which I measured using a wristwatch and milemarkers along the interstate northbound in Idaho between Pocatello and Idaho Falls.  It ate the gas, though, I can tell you; plus by the early '80s repair parts were difficult (and very expensive) to obtain.  Oh, and it was green with black ragtop, and tons of Bondo on the passenger side.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2014,08:03   

Quote (jeffox @ Aug. 06 2014,17:51)
Mine had a 383 and would get to and sustain 150 MPH - which I measured using a wristwatch and milemarkers along the interstate northbound in Idaho between Pocatello and Idaho Falls.  It ate the gas, though, I can tell you; plus by the early '80s repair parts were difficult (and very expensive) to obtain.  Oh, and it was green with black ragtop, and tons of Bondo on the passenger side.

You beat me. On a long straight stretch of empty highway I took the 312 cu in (5.1 L) V8 T-Bird up to around 100 mph and could have gone faster, but even with more rubber around the only 4 lugnut 14 inch rim it was not made for high speed. In a way though felt like going 150 with 15 or 16 inch wheels on state of the art suspension. In dry conditions it was better than average on the highway. Modern 15 inch wheel chassis have a noticeable difference in stability, and I would imagine the one in the picture might have had some of that built in. In any event I was not prone to getting speeding tickets, yet not the type to be in your way slowing down traffic.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2014,08:20   

Quote (jeffox @ Aug. 07 2014,01:51)
Mine had a 383 and would get to and sustain 150 MPH - which I measured using a wristwatch and milemarkers along the interstate northbound in Idaho between Pocatello and Idaho Falls.  It ate the gas, though, I can tell you; plus by the early '80s repair parts were difficult (and very expensive) to obtain.  Oh, and it was green with black ragtop, and tons of Bondo on the passenger side.

Only 5mph slower than my Porsche Cayenne S 4.8L 19in tyres  but probably cheaper for servicing.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2014,06:49   

I doubt it was due to Gary's support, given how little he has to offer in any way, but his old favorite Kathy Marin in Kansas lost her primary and so will not be gracing the political scene.
Kathy Martin loses primary

Also noted, the Kansas BoE is now 7-3 science versus mystical claptrap.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2014,09:50   

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I doubt it was due to Gary's support, given how little he has to offer in any way, but his old favorite Kathy Marin in Kansas lost her primary and so will not be gracing the political scene.
Kathy Martin loses primary

Also noted, the Kansas BoE is now 7-3 science versus mystical claptrap.

I'm sure it's proof (somehow) that ID will be winning any day now, and that we will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2014,10:32   

Quote (NoName @ Aug. 09 2014,06:49)
Also noted, the Kansas BoE is now 7-3 science...

The last I knew it was 9-1, then Kathy left.

I sense another uprising in Kansas, caused by the usual political/religious games from so-called "science defenders".

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2014,11:01   

Yeah, right.

You do realize that in your model, sensation goes straight to 'memory' and from there straight to 'motor control'.
So "I sense that ..." is nonsense within the context of your "theory".

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2014,11:54   

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Quote (NoName @ Aug. 09 2014,06:49)
I doubt it was due to Gary's support, given how little he has to offer in any way, but his old favorite Kathy Marin in Kansas lost her primary and so will not be gracing the political scene.
Kathy Martin loses primary

Also noted, the Kansas BoE is now 7-3 science versus mystical claptrap.

I'm sure it's proof (somehow) that ID will be winning any day now, and that we will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they outnumber you on the Board of Education, then....

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2014,20:26   

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First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they outnumber you on the Board of Education, then....

.....then Kathy won reelection to the Board again.

She did not seek a third term..

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2014,20:36   

Quote (NoName @ Aug. 09 2014,11:01)
Yeah, right.

You do realize that in your model, sensation goes straight to 'memory' and from there straight to 'motor control'.
So "I sense that ..." is nonsense within the context of your "theory".

According to this circuit diagram you don't know what you're talking about:



Theory of Intelligent Design

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2014,02:58   

Sunday treat for Gaga

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2014,04:42   

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Quote (NoName @ Aug. 09 2014,11:01)
Yeah, right.

You do realize that in your model, sensation goes straight to 'memory' and from there straight to 'motor control'.
So "I sense that ..." is nonsense within the context of your "theory".

According to this circuit diagram you don't know what you're talking about:



Theory of Intelligent Design

Gary, that diagram proves him perfectly correct.  It goes directly into "RAM" (which again, actual brains don't have).

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2014,05:50   

Ses chapter 10, Human Multicellular Intelligence

https://sites.google.com/site.......ign.pdf

Now tell me what is Confidence and Central Hedonic System for?

Ignoring where else sensory goes while nitpicking proper electronics terminology is only more of the same scientific ridiculousness, I really don't have time for entertaining.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2014,06:01   

Sorry for the rush related typo. And pdf link is the following. This replaces the last reply, thank you:

See chapter 10, Human Multicellular Intelligence

https://sites.google.com/site....ign.pdf

Now tell me what is Confidence and Central Hedonic System for?

Ignoring where else sensory goes while nitpicking proper electronics terminology is only more of the same scientific ridiculousness, I really don't have time for entertaining.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2014,06:23   

Quote (Quack @ Aug. 10 2014,02:58)
Sunday treat for Gaga

I saw the news at the AI forum and information at this link shows how it's many parallel cores addressing memory data like I explain in the theory:

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme....sistors

I am a little familiar with the technology from earlier news of it, and have been expecting more like this.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2014,06:42   

Electronics terminology is entirely inappropriate for discussing intelligence, given that the vast majority of examples are biological (and the non-biological ones are modeled on biology and/or highly debatable).

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2014,07:13   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 10 2014,06:50)
Ses chapter 10, Human Multicellular Intelligence

https://sites.google.com/site.......ign.pdf

Now tell me what is Confidence and Central Hedonic System for?

Ignoring where else sensory goes while nitpicking proper electronics terminology is only more of the same scientific ridiculousness, I really don't have time for entertaining.

It's abundantly clear what they are for -- they are for smuggling intelligence into your 'explanation', rendering it non-explanatory due to inherent circularity.

Your 'confidence' circuit does nothing but increment/decrement a memory counter, i.e., it is a direct pass-through to ram.  Or it is a black box whose contents and functions require explanation.

Likewise for 'guess'.  The circuit does nothing but store a value in memory.  It is a pass-through.  Or it is a black box that implements significant elements of intelligent that you are simply smuggling in rather than laying out and explaining.

Except, even worse, neither of these is actually a  pass-through.  What goes in is not what is read out.  Why on earth are you showing a RAM system where what is written is never read and what is read is never what is written?
Do you not understand proper RAM notation?
Your diagram is ludicrous for all sorts of reasons, but the  disconnect between input values and output values is hysterical.  Note:  that is 'hysterical', as in wildly funny, not 'hysteresis' which is a word for a technical concept you have probably stumbled across.

Compounding the stupidity, why are light, sound, odor and proprioception the only elements considered?  We have many more than 4 senses.  Further, there is vast evidence that insofar as memory is 'addressed' by sensory input, proportional weighting of visual, auditory, and other sensory inputs changes dynamically.  Motor muscles are not the only source of interoceptive senses.  You do not account for this.  If you consider that they are, you have left touch, temperature perception, etc., out of your flow entirely.

Worse, you have not merely abstracted all this detail, you have laid out that these few of the many senses are the only ones involved, that they jointly (by summation?) feed both a 'confidence circuit' [smuggling intelligence into the flow] and apparently directly set the locations into which data will be written as well as the separate locations from which data will be read.

Given the manifold flaws and incoherencies of the diagram, we are justified in suggesting that it boils down to sensory data comes in and motor control goes out, with no processing.  It is not incorrect to evaluate the entire "system" as a pass-through from sensory input to motor output.  The very most that could be granted beyond that is it is a pass-through with feedback, but the feedback is only through motor sensation.
But even an idiot can casually recognize that there are multiple interacting feedback paths that are at most inflected by motor feedback.

Thus, everything in your diagram beyond 'senses come in to RAM and motor control goes out' is an attempt to elaborate the hoax that you have not just an understanding of intelligence but an explanation for it.
Your 'explanation' no more provides the foundation for understanding or explaining intelligence than the paint color of the stairwells in the Empire State Building provides the foundation for that skyscraper.

The reason you don't have time for 'entertaining' the questions and criticisms raised against your effluent is that you are too busy whitewashing your own confusion to attend to rectifying it.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2014,07:17   

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Electronics terminology is entirely inappropriate for discussing intelligence, given that the vast majority of examples are biological (and the non-biological ones are modeled on biology and/or highly debatable).

One glaring example of this is Gary's failure to account for the basic distinction between analog and digital.
RAM is clocked -- addresses are set at clock cycle points and read likewise.  RAM usage is strictly quantized by a system clock.
There is zero evidence of such a quantized function or set of functions in biology.
Even if Gary tries to resurrect his notion of 'analog RAM', i.e., the sample-and-hold circuit, he does not avoid the need to address clocking.  S-H circuits are clocked -- that's what the 'sample' part is all about.

Between clocking and the multiple interconnected feedback loops he's ignoring, we have to score this yet another epic unwin for Gary.
Hardly a surprise.  If he were intelligent, or 'intelligent', he'd once in a while come up with a new 'guess' and his behavior would change.
But his own 'theory' shows that Gary lacks 'intelligence'.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 11 2014,20:09   

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EN&V display photographs from the trip.



EN&V...Bad at math or seeing things that aren't there?

You be the judge.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2014,06:41   

Further proof, as if any were needed, that Gary does not count as 'intelligent' on the basis of his  own 'theory'.
He fails to accomplish a goal, but repeats his behavior.

Valid criticisms are raised against his 'theory'.
He posts a link to a music video.
repeat, ad infinauseum

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2014,07:48   

Quote (NoName @ Aug. 12 2014,14:41)
Further proof, as if any were needed, that Gary does not count as 'intelligent' on the basis of his  own 'theory'.
He fails to accomplish a goal, but repeats his behavior.

Valid criticisms are raised against his 'theory'.
He posts a link to a music video.
repeat, ad infinauseum

Gary is just running his   media ©ircus attic neighborhood pirate radio station in an FCC free forum for his own self gratitude.
There is no electronic part named confidence or guess he is just bullshitting when he draws schematics. He again confuses his domains when he mixes physical parts and wires with verbs and allusions.
He can't respond to criticism because there is nothing in his nightly broadcast peering into the pond that considers there might something wrong with his thoughts.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2014,08:01   

He's badly confused if he considers what he has to be 'thoughts'.  They're pretty clearly not.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2014,12:04   

Oh good, the diagram again.

As one example of Gary's muddles, intelligence does not require the ability to "guess".  A guess in terms of bacteria alternating random tumbles with straight-line travel, or even his bug doing a random walk until a better option comes along, does not require intelligence.  What may require intelligence is the ability to apply past experience in deciding how to respond to a new stimulus.  The prior experience could have been the result of a considered (i.e. intelligent) guess, but also of a stochastic/random decision or an externally imposed experience.  Chemotaxis, phototaxis, and the like are not learned and considered responses: they are just the output of biochemical pathways.  

Although the earliest mobile creatures may have allocated some neurons in some sort of one-to-one correspondence with reality, it is unclear that this is necessary: over uniform and featureless sea floor if the food is moving or you are tumbling and have no useful landmarks, a one-to-one map is not very useful.  Refined infaunal deposit feeding does not need a map, but it does benefit from an algorithm that covers the maximum volume within a zone of food concentration with the least wasted movement.  This is more likely to use an evolved algorithm than on-the-fly analytical geometry.  For a mobile critter that is hunting mobile food, what is more useful than a map and constantly re-evaluating prior experience and confidence levels is an algorithm for constantly resensing any signal of food, and heading toward the strongest signal for a while, with continued resensing and refinement until you get to it.  Evaluating confidence levels based on prior experience and application of mental maps need not be relevant: "last year, my food item turned left here" is not helpful, especially compared to "he's moved - I now see him to the left of straight ahead".

Also we are still waiting for answers to fundamental questions like "what are the units of intelligence" and "how do we measure it" (as well as your opinions about poor old Bob).  Also, just for grins, how does your definition of intelligence permit the existence of an intelligent god, Gary?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2014,12:49   

Heck, how does it permit the existence of an 'intelligent' Gary?

:p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2014,01:52   

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Heck, how does it permit the existence of an 'intelligent' Gary?

:p

It may permit one, but it obviously doesn't require one.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2014,08:53   

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What may require intelligence is the ability to apply past experience in deciding how to respond to a new stimulus.


I think Pavlov showed the results of that experiment vis-à-vis Gary the Troll.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2014,11:58   

Here's another exciting technological development to help model the molecular and cellular intelligence levels:

http://www.kurzweilai.net/forums.....edicine

http://www.nanowerk.com/news2......944.php

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2014,12:06   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 15 2014,12:58)
Here's another exciting technological development to help model the molecular and cellular intelligence levels:

http://www.kurzweilai.net/forums.....edicine

http://www.nanowerk.com/news2......944.php

Funny, the linked article doesn't seem to have anything to do with molecular or cellular 'intelligence'.
You have yet to explain what either of those apparently fictional items have that is not strictly physics and chemistry as usual.

If we can explain everything at the inter- and intra-molecular level with physics and chemistry, there really isn't any room left for 'molecular intelligence'.  And we can.  You have no evidence to suggest otherwise
Likewise, if we can explain everything at the inter- and intra-cellular level with physics and chemistry, there really isn't any room for 'cellular intelligence'.  And we can.  You have no evidence to suggest otherwise.

In both cases, the only rational fallback [which of course rules out the possibility of you either taking or rejecting this course] is to reduce those claims to the utterly banal and entirely uninformative assertion that only things made up of molecules and cells exhibit 'intelligence'.  Even then, the difficulty is why so many things made of of molecules and cells [such as you, Gary] exhibit no trace of 'intelligence'.

  
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