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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,15:57   

Dembski chimes in
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I’ve gotten to know the producers quite well. As far as I can tell, they made sure to budget for lawsuits. Also, I know for a fact that they have one of the best intellectual property attorneys in the business. I expect that the producers made their video close enough to the Harvard video to get tongues awagging (Headline: “Harvard University Seeks Injunction Against Ben Stein and EXPELLED” — you think that might generate interest in the movie?), but different enough so that they are unexposed.

It was a nice touch on the producer’s part to use the same music as the XVIVO video. Presumably they got permission from the artist — or is that another possible oversight to explore? But then again, one of the producers was for years in the music business. So most likely they’re covered here as well.

BOTTOM LINE: Before you think the producers of EXPELLED are idiots, you might think that they are chess players who have seen several moves ahead. For instance, have you ever thought who stood to gain the most from the Machine Video featured at UD a week ago? . . .





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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,16:03   

I heart poachy:

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poachy
04/10/2008
3:50 pm
Before you think the producers of EXPELLED are idiots, you might think that they are chess players who have seen several moves ahead.


Awesome!! That is really clever on their part to contrive the video so that they will get sued by Big Science. They have entrapped Harvard in a web of their own creation!


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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,16:06   

I love poachy:


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poachy

04/10/2008

3:52 pm
Davescot:
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XVIVO has no standing.


Peter Irons must not be much of a legal scholar as easily as you outflanked him.


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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,16:07   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ April 10 2008,16:57)
Dembski chimes in  
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I’ve gotten to know the producers quite well. As far as I can tell, they made sure to budget for lawsuits. Also, I know for a fact that they have one of the best intellectual property attorneys in the business. I expect that the producers made their video close enough to the Harvard video to get tongues awagging (Headline: “Harvard University Seeks Injunction Against Ben Stein and EXPELLED” — you think that might generate interest in the movie?), but different enough so that they are unexposed.

It was a nice touch on the producer’s part to use the same music as the XVIVO video. Presumably they got permission from the artist — or is that another possible oversight to explore? But then again, one of the producers was for years in the music business. So most likely they’re covered here as well.

BOTTOM LINE: Before you think the producers of EXPELLED are idiots, you might think that they are chess players who have seen several moves ahead. For instance, have you ever thought who stood to gain the most from the Machine Video featured at UD a week ago? . . .

He lives in the same alternate reality as Dubya.

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wetlabmonkey



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,16:30   

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Dembski chimes in  
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Also, I know for a fact that they have one of the best intellectual property attorneys in the business.

I can only hope he means Larry Farfarman.  :)

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,16:47   

Poachy is just on fire today:

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poachy
04/10/2008
4:19 pm
Were you this offended when Judge Jones was caught plagiarizing some 90% of his science “opinion” straight from an ACLU brief?

Well, if this goes to court, maybe this time we’ll get a solidly conservative judge appointed by President Bush, rather than some ACLU loving liberal.



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dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,16:48   

You just can't make this stuff up:
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[DT to Jack Krebs] Were you this offended when Judge Jones was caught plagiarizing some 90% of his science “opinion” straight from an ACLU brief?

Spin, thy name is DaveTard.
DTs lovely and talented sidekick poachy shows continued grasp of comic timing:
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Well, if this goes to court, maybe this time we’ll get a solidly conservative judge appointed by President Bush, rather than some ACLU loving liberal.

If poachy is a sockpuppet, I doff mine cap in awestruck admiration.

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dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,16:50   

[Arden beat me to it - damn! ] :angry:

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,16:53   

Well, I hope Poachy is proud, it doesn't even take half an hour for his bon mots to get quoted here twice!

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[Arden beat me to it - damn! ]


One, two, three:



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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,17:02   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 10 2008,16:53)
Well, I hope Poachy is proud, it doesn't even take half an hour for his bon mots to get quoted here twice!

You know, if you are going to laugh at the tards, you should learn to count.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,17:04   

Quote (carlsonjok @ April 10 2008,17:02)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 10 2008,16:53)
Well, I hope Poachy is proud, it doesn't even take half an hour for his bon mots to get quoted here twice!

You know, if you are going to laugh at the tards, you should learn to count.

Don't you have some brush to clear or something?  :angry:

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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,17:06   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 10 2008,17:04)
Don't you have some brush to clear or something?  :angry:

No. Your wife just left.

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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,17:20   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 10 2008,16:47)
Poachy is just on fire today:

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poachy
04/10/2008
4:19 pm
Were you this offended when Judge Jones was caught plagiarizing some 90% of his science “opinion” straight from an ACLU brief?

Well, if this goes to court, maybe this time we’ll get a solidly conservative judge appointed by President Bush, rather than some ACLU loving liberal.


poachy goes meta.

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poachy: Is it a unpardonable sin to play tricks on the less intelligent and then laugh at them? I sure hope not!


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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,17:22   

meta as fuck all

synthesize, you bastard!!!

how does it feel, Willyboy, to be had from the inside out?

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,17:27   

Poachy cracks me up.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Leftfield



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,17:30   

Quote (Zachriel @ April 10 2008,17:20)
poachy goes meta.

 
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poachy: Is it a unpardonable sin to play tricks on the less intelligent and then laugh at them? I sure hope not!


Is there an award for sockpuppet post of the week? Top notch work, poachy!

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,17:34   

RichardFry

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It’ll be interesting to see if this does get to court. No doubt the NCSE’s tactic is to naively hope that there is no background research supporting the science depicted in the video that can be used in court to defeat the idea that it’s simple a shot for shot reworking of the original, errors and all. Has anybody done or seen anywhere a shot for shot or split screen comparison?


Perhaps that is the ultimate reason for the goons with the night vision specs, making sure no one could make such a comparison before release.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,17:48   

Quote (carlsonjok @ April 10 2008,17:06)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 10 2008,17:04)
Don't you have some brush to clear or something?  :angry:

No. Your wife just left.

Ah. I have taught you well, young Skywalker.



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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,17:56   

hey now those bastards carry leprosy.  do not fuck with the leprosy. You know.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,18:03   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 10 2008,18:48)
Quote (carlsonjok @ April 10 2008,17:06)
 
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 10 2008,17:04)
Don't you have some brush to clear or something?  :angry:

No. Your wife just left.

Ah. I have taught you well, young Skywalker.


That's rather blasphemous.

The next one who photoshops Lord Vader unflatteringly will be spending time on the BW with Ftk.

Plus, there'll be riots in Denmark or somewhere.

Edited by Lou FCD on April 10 2008,19:04

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ck1



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,19:08   

I noticed UD has a thread on ERVs.  I am a virologist and I have been working on ERVs for 30+ years, so I sent in 3 comments to answer questions that came up.  Only one of those comments has appeared.

All of my comments were focused on science -- no commentary, no insults.  Links to papers.

Was I wasting my time?

Are scientists not welcome at UD?

  
BCtheEra



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,19:22   

Quote (ck1 @ April 10 2008,19:08)
I noticed UD has a thread on ERVs.  I am a virologist and I have been working on ERVs for 30+ years, so I sent in 3 comments to answer questions that came up.  Only one of those comments has appeared.

All of my comments were focused on science -- no commentary, no insults.  Links to papers.

Was I wasting my time?

Are scientists not welcome at UD?

Reality isn't welcome at UD.

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,20:03   

Dammit Lou your threats tempt me.  But I am procrastinating another project and cannot handle the extra work at this moment.  I'll get you yet my purty.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
ck1



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,20:06   

Quote (BCtheEra @ April 10 2008,19:22)
Quote (ck1 @ April 10 2008,19:08)
I noticed UD has a thread on ERVs.  I am a virologist and I have been working on ERVs for 30+ years, so I sent in 3 comments to answer questions that came up.  Only one of those comments has appeared.

All of my comments were focused on science -- no commentary, no insults.  Links to papers.

Was I wasting my time?

Are scientists not welcome at UD?

Reality isn't welcome at UD.

Yeah, you are probably right.

Somehow I thought their moderation policy had eased up lately.

  
godsilove



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,20:06   

Quote (ck1 @ April 10 2008,19:08)
I noticed UD has a thread on ERVs.  I am a virologist and I have been working on ERVs for 30+ years, so I sent in 3 comments to answer questions that came up.  Only one of those comments has appeared.

All of my comments were focused on science -- no commentary, no insults.  Links to papers.

Was I wasting my time?

Are scientists not welcome at UD?

All new posters are in moderation, but if you praise Dembski you can get taken off it and all your posts will show up.  But then when you start posting some science or anything factual, they might put you back in moderation for your "denialism".

   
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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,20:19   

Quote (ck1 @ April 10 2008,19:08)
I noticed UD has a thread on ERVs.  I am a virologist and I have been working on ERVs for 30+ years, so I sent in 3 comments to answer questions that came up.  Only one of those comments has appeared.

All of my comments were focused on science -- no commentary, no insults.  Links to papers.

Was I wasting my time?

Are scientists not welcome at UD?

I think the REAL key to getting taken off moderation is
how many bible quotes did you include in your papers?

But of course, keep in mind that ID is not about religion, it's all about the science.

And balancing this dichotomy is what has made the moderators and posters over there so totally wack - and so totally fun watching and commenting about it over here.

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ck1



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,20:39   

Quote (J-Dog @ April 10 2008,20:19)
 
I think the REAL key to getting taken off moderation is
how many bible quotes did you include in your papers?

oops
     
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But of course, keep in mind that ID is not about religion, it's all about the science.

I somehow got the impression they wanted to hear from experts.  Guess I should have sent in my CV first.

  
BCtheEra



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,21:25   

Quote (ck1 @ April 10 2008,20:39)
I somehow got the impression they wanted to hear from experts.  Guess I should have sent in my CV first.

Are you an expert in acquiring academic degrees and then advancing vacuous, long-debunked "science."  If not, you're not really their type of expert.

  
ck1



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,21:41   

Quote (BCtheEra @ April 10 2008,21:25)
Quote (ck1 @ April 10 2008,20:39)
I somehow got the impression they wanted to hear from experts.  Guess I should have sent in my CV first.

Are you an expert in acquiring academic degrees and then advancing vacuous, long-debunked "science."  If not, you're not really their type of expert.

Ah, so that's it.  Should have avoided that Journal of Virology link.  On a thread about ERVs.

  
dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,21:52   

The poachy hits just keep on coming.
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[self-serving comment from Uncomely Denyse:]
Knockoff books demosntrate that one has discovered a winning formula.

I guess it depends on your definition of winning. Clearly, Denyse, you aren’t motivated by money, since you seem cool if people don’t buy your book.

I tried to add something to this but it's just so...so...so poachy. One cannot add, one can only subtract. One simply steps back and gazes in wonder. The (Sockpuppet)Master at work. Often imitated, never duplicated. I suddenly feel the need to cry.

....

I'm better now. Poachy, please, we need more. Your fans await you!

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