Joe G
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| Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Mar. 01 2013,12:20) | | Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 01 2013,11:53) | | Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Mar. 01 2013,11:46) | | Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 01 2013,11:23) | | Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Mar. 01 2013,11:18) | | Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 01 2013,11:15) | | Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 01 2013,11:10) | So, you know you're wrong and you can't answer a simple yes/no question.
So, cryptography uses information, but without meaning. Shannon was right. Information has nothing to do with meaning.
You and your ID friends are wrong. You can't measure meaning in bits. |
Kevin, if you had read my post you would know that I covered that.
No one is measuring meaning Kevin. No one is even trying. You are a dumbass moron strawman punk.
AGAIN- meaning/ function is OBSERVED. And Shannon told us how to counts the bits.
Meyer goes over this. I have gone over this on my blog.
But anyway, it is obvious taht you are too much of a coward to respond to what i said. You are pathetic.
[b]EvoTARDs are such a clueless lot- I blame it on Shannon and others for causing confusion over the word "information". Now evoTARDs have taken that confusion to a new level by saying IDists confuse information with meaning.
Hellooooo!!! Information and meaning go hand in hand 99% of the time. Only physicists and Shannonites don't get what information means. For example:
| Quote | | The word information in this theory is used in a special mathematical sense that must not be confused with its ordinary usage. In particular, information must not be confused with meaning.- Warren Weaver, one of Shannon's collaborators |
That means Shannon was the one who "redefined" information and IDists use the word in its normal/ regular/ ordinary sense.</b>
Only in limited cases does anyone NOT use information to = meaning. How hard is that to understand? |
If "IDists" use information=meaning, then what's the basis of the bit-counting? |
Meaning/ function- and the basis of bit counting is to see how much information is present.
You asswipes use a dipstick to measure information. We use mathematics. So sue us. |
This doesn't answer the question, which is due to the fact that you clearly don't understand the question. What you're saying, unwittingly of course, is that the basis is arbitrary. If information=meaning or function, what has more information (in terms of function), an electric blender or a toaster oven? Does an italicized word have more information than a non-italicized word? |
I answered the question. And why does it matter which has more information? The fact is both are artifacts. |
Shorter Joe: I don't know. |
No, Jim- you are a moron. That is the short of it
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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth
"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton
Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code- Â Acartia bogart, TARD
YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism
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