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Tony M Nyphot

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Posted: May 17 2016,12:39

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I already have a paper that's good enough to go!

You've given the paper to a sentient being for proofreading, right?

Thank goodness you didn't say "intelligent", otherwise he might have given it to the vacuum cleaner.

Why go to all that trouble? Just put it in front of some molecules.

Careful, though...not all molecules are at the same level of intelligence. Best to confirm with a biochemistry forum if they are unimolecular or not.

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Posted: May 17 2016,13:08

And make sure those molecules have had some kind of education, at least an elementary one.

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Posted: May 17 2016,17:34

Researchers at the University of Maryland took the first steps towards the industrial manufacturing of what is called "tracing paper". Seriously!

www.kurzweilai.net/forums/topic/u-maryland-scientists-make-transparent-wood

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Posted: May 17 2016,21:34

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Researchers at the University of Maryland took the first steps towards the industrial manufacturing of what is called "tracing paper". Seriously!

www.kurzweilai.net/forums/topic/u-maryland-scientists-make-transparent-wood

http://www.engadget.com/2016....gh-wood

Well, it's a little cooler than "tracing paper", given that a) they extract the lignin, and b) followed by coating with epoxy, that leaves a transparent material that is stronger and more insulating than glass, but more biodegradable than plastic. But trust you to disparage stuff.

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Posted: May 17 2016,21:40

Not transparent aluminum, but it's a start!

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Posted: May 17 2016,22:07

Removal of lignin and other impurities from "wood chips" is a very old process. The larger the chip the longer it takes, which is why their larger than usual wood chip took a longer than usual amount of time.

Filling the spaces in the resulting material with a wax, oil or a resin to make it more transparent is also a very old idea.

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Posted: May 17 2016,22:45

BTW, epoxy resin saturated balsa wood has long been used for making light but strong boat hulls, decks, etc.:

Boat Balsa Core
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dWPy4ISnGE

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Posted: May 17 2016,23:53

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BTW, epoxy resin saturated balsa wood has long been used for making light but strong boat hulls, decks, etc.:

Boat Balsa Core
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dWPy4ISnGE

That's a bit old-hat, quite aside from being subject to catastrophic failure if it isn't maintained perfectly and starts rotting.

Ever since the development of ester pulping 20 years ago or so, people have been coming up with some really interesting and innovative new wood processing technologies, both new and better ways of producing those results ( http://www.sciencedirect.com/science....4000982 ) and better products ( http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi............ull ).

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Posted: May 18 2016,20:15

Y'all got what you deserve:

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The district’s curriculum map calls for teaching “an alternative theory called Intelligent Design,” which is another name for creationism. Youngstown suggests teachers show a creationist video, Unlocking the Mystery of Life, produced by the right wing Christian advocacy group, Focus on the Family and by the Discovery Institute, a creationist think tank.

They also show a Harun Yahya video.

talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=67794

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Posted: May 18 2016,20:44

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Y'all got what you deserve:

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The district’s curriculum map calls for teaching “an alternative theory called Intelligent Design,” which is another name for creationism. Youngstown suggests teachers show a creationist video, Unlocking the Mystery of Life, produced by the right wing Christian advocacy group, Focus on the Family and by the Discovery Institute, a creationist think tank.

They also show a Harun Yahya video.

talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=67794

Screw the kids, you're for teaching them garbage.

Yes, we get that.

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Posted: May 18 2016,21:07

And for those who are unfamiliar with the university level cycle: what will happen next is there will be panic that results in a billion or so dollar "investment in education" that results in the creation of even more multi-million dollar "evolution" websites, million+ dollar wax Charles Darwin exhibits showing him sitting while writing his theory, Evolutionary Algorithms that make what looks like multicolor poop, academic spokespeople traveling around the country giving talks while pitching their books, while I (and others who are more reasonable) have to be bashed into oblivion because everything is supposed to be my responsibility and all the scientists in the world are too busy with "real science" to get involved in a not-a-theory and all the rest of the excuses for what amounts to academic snobbery.

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Posted: May 18 2016,21:12

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And for those who are unfamiliar with the university level cycle: what will happen next is there will be panic that results in a billion or so dollar "investment in education" that results in the creation of even more multi-million dollar "evolution" websites, million+ dollar wax Charles Darwin exhibits showing him sitting while writing his theory, Evolutionary Algorithms that make what looks like multicolor poop, academic spokespeople traveling around the country giving talks while pitching their books, while I (and others who are more reasonable) have to be bashed into oblivion because everything is supposed to be my responsibility and all the scientists in the world are too busy with "real science" to get involved in a not-a-theory and all the rest of the excuses for what amounts to academic snobbery.

I hope that will be printed on your tombstone.

I like the funny ones.

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Posted: May 18 2016,21:16

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And for those who are unfamiliar with the university level cycle: what will happen next is there will be panic that results in a billion or so dollar "investment in education" that results in the creation of even more multi-million dollar "evolution" websites, million+ dollar wax Charles Darwin exhibits showing him sitting while writing his theory, Evolutionary Algorithms that make what looks like multicolor poop, academic spokespeople traveling around the country giving talks while pitching their books, while I (and others who are more reasonable) have to be bashed into oblivion because everything is supposed to be my responsibility and all the scientists in the world are too busy with "real science" to get involved in a not-a-theory and all the rest of the excuses for what amounts to academic snobbery.

Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick. Quit whining. Stop being a crybaby, produce some evidence, ~~write~~ pay someone to write it in coherent English, and prove everyone, everywhere wrong if you can.

And while you're at it, take a fucking science class instead of reading headlines and abstracts (because we established long ago that you won't trouble yourself with getting to a library to read a whole paper). You know less about chemistry, physics, and especially biology than a second semester university student, and you aren't smart enough to cover for your profound ignorance.

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Posted: May 18 2016,23:35

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And for those who are unfamiliar with the university level cycle: what will happen next is there will be panic that results in a billion or so dollar "investment in education" that results in the creation of even more multi-million dollar "evolution" websites, million+ dollar wax Charles Darwin exhibits showing him sitting while writing his theory, Evolutionary Algorithms that make what looks like multicolor poop, academic spokespeople traveling around the country giving talks while pitching their books, while I (and others who are more reasonable) have to be bashed into oblivion because everything is supposed to be my responsibility and all the scientists in the world are too busy with "real science" to get involved in a not-a-theory and all the rest of the excuses for what amounts to academic snobbery.

Norman Bates on a psychotic break. Jesus man, I almost feel sorry for you. You can't even see how batshit crazy you sound. "Mother? Mother?"

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Posted: May 18 2016,23:57

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...everything is supposed to be my responsibility and all the scientists in the world are too busy with "real science" to get involved in a not-a-theory...

Well...yeah.

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Posted: May 19 2016,06:31

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...everything is supposed to be my responsibility and all the scientists in the world are too busy with "real science" to get involved in a not-a-theory...

Well...yeah.

Poor Gary -- he is being brutally repressed by the reality-oriented fiends that have taken over the real world.

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Posted: May 19 2016,09:12

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[From Gary at Sandwalk]One thing for sure is all the hype about scientists rushing to help investigate new insights was a pile of bullshit. The only time that happens is when it feeds biased vested interests. It's no wonder why soon after he arrived for a proper education young Galileo's professors tried to get him kicked out the university.

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Whatever gave you the impression that scientists are supposed to "rush to help investigate new insights"? That's you misunderstanding science again. Science is and always has been highly competitive as well as collaborative.........

Oh it's just another one of those silly myths I picked up from schoolteachers who likewise had too much "trust" in the way the academic system works, in regard to new ideas.

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At this point in time I have to say that this demonstration provides a useful example:

Beavis and Butt Head - Trust
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PhOMhbEhOw

I'm not sure how Beavis and Butt-head provide a "demonstration" of anything, but even if they did, it's unclear how that clip applies to you and your situation. Scientists have an obligation to be honest and combat error and misrepresentation, rather than to present nonsense or be polite to cranks and aid their claptrap. Compared to that teacher, a more accurate analogy to your performance in the world of science can be found in the experiences of Father John Damian de Falcuis (the original [non]flying Scotsman), Wan Hu, and Franz Reichelt, at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....TSzueno. An ethical scientist at the time would have counseled them to stop what they were doing and to please go and do something more productive and healthy, and you've received exactly that advice.

(In researching Wan Hu, I also learned about Henry Smolinski - I always wondered what happened to the Flying Pinto, and sadly, now I know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....5EEy1k)

Anyway,
Hypothesis A: You understood your teachers correctly, and they are correct.
Hypothesis B: You understood your teachers correctly, but they are wrong.
Hypothesis C: You (once again) misunderstood your teachers, and you remain wrong.

Unfortunately, we are unlikely to be able to verify independently what your teachers said. However:
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~zcapf7....ety.pdf

http://www.sciencemag.org/careers....entists

http://www.wisdom.weizmann.ac.il/~oded......ies.pdf

http://lutece.fnal.gov/Talks......cs.html

Scientists will work on ideas that seem interesting and worthwhile (in fact, it's basically impossible to dissuade them from doing so), but they have neither obligation nor interest in paying any attention to ideas that are pitifully wrong (and poorly presented to boot).

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Posted: May 19 2016,10:00

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Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick. Quit whining. Stop being a crybaby, produce some evidence, ~~write~~ pay someone to write it in coherent English, and prove everyone, everywhere wrong if you can.

Earlier I asked, mostly in jest, if GG had gotten a sentient being to proofread his new paper. I say "mostly" in jest because GG's been told, practically everywhere he goes in the series of tubes, that his writing is abysmal and creates a serious impediment to being understood.

So Gary, did you find someone to go over your paper and clean up the English or do you just not care?

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Posted: May 19 2016,11:01

What if the problem is that the English language was not intelligibly designed?

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Posted: May 19 2016,11:36

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And for those who are unfamiliar with the university level cycle: what will happen next is there will be panic that results in a billion or so dollar "investment in education" that results in the creation of even more multi-million dollar "evolution" websites, million+ dollar wax Charles Darwin exhibits showing him sitting while writing his theory, Evolutionary Algorithms that make what looks like multicolor poop, academic spokespeople traveling around the country giving talks while pitching their books, while I (and others who are more reasonable) have to be bashed into oblivion because everything is supposed to be my responsibility and all the scientists in the world are too busy with "real science" to get involved in a not-a-theory and all the rest of the excuses for what amounts to academic snobbery.

Oh Boo-Hoo are de nasty sciency people being nasty, baby Gaulin. Oh how poorly the nasty ones treat you, you special snowflake. Oh Boo-Hoo aren't they showering you in money? Now take your thumb out of your arse and get an education.

'Reasonable' another word that baby Gaulin doesn't understand. The Gaulin not-a-dictionary is now on its fourth volume.

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Posted: May 20 2016,01:06

Update:
The Blyth Institute is getting the conference videos and papers (now in review stage) ready for publication. Jonathan is excited by the excellent turnout, all speakers submitted a paper. The online conference turned out to be a great success.

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Posted: May 20 2016,09:45

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Update:
The Blyth Institute is getting the conference videos and papers (now in review stage) ready for publication. Jonathan is excited by the excellent turnout, all speakers submitted a paper. The online conference turned out to be a great success.

And?

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Posted: May 20 2016,11:10

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Update:
The Blyth Institute is getting the conference videos and papers (now in review stage) ready for publication. Jonathan is excited by the excellent turnout, all speakers submitted a paper. The online conference turned out to be a great success.

What made it a great success and for whom?

How many non-presenters attended the econference?

Do you know anything about the Blyth Institute? How many people work there? It's mission statement? What influence it might have anywhere at all?

Will your unintelligible piffle pass the review stage and be included on whatever materials the Blyth "Institute" produces? How will you react when it doesn't?

Did attendees get to see your digital bug with a hippocampus that "looks like multicolor poop"? Were they as impressed as we are?

Was it simply a great success because you forked over money for someone to pay a smattering of attention to you? Money that could have been put towards your health or that of your family?

That kind of great success?

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Posted: May 20 2016,11:37

I'm sure the Journal of Evolutionary Teleonomy will have a long and distinguished run.

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Posted: May 20 2016,12:50

GG has hitched his not-a-theory wagon to the YECs in an apparently desperate attempt to have anyone pay attention to his pathetic drivel.

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Posted: May 20 2016,16:26

Many babies cry because they've pissed themselves.

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And for those who are unfamiliar with the university level cycle: what will happen next is there will be panic that results in a billion or so dollar "investment in education" that results in the creation of even more multi-million dollar "evolution" websites, million+ dollar wax Charles Darwin exhibits showing him sitting while writing his theory, Evolutionary Algorithms that make what looks like multicolor poop, academic spokespeople traveling around the country giving talks while pitching their books, while I (and others who are more reasonable) have to be bashed into oblivion because everything is supposed to be my responsibility and all the scientists in the world are too busy with "real science" to get involved in a not-a-theory and all the rest of the excuses for what amounts to academic snobbery.

Goo Goo is crying because he's pissed himself into a corner.

Bwhahhahahahahhahaha! (last laughing)

Whatta hoot!

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Posted: May 20 2016,16:53

This is a sample of an earlier "conference proceedings":
www.amazon.com/Engineering-Ultimate-Interdisciplinary-Investigation-Design/dp/0975283863

The ID Lab critter was demonstrated for the first time in public. It was shown getting agitated by the approaching shock zone then once safe behind it ignored the food for a few seconds to get a closer look, though the zone is invisible to it. The critter none the less displayed complex behavior indicative of curiosity, as opposed to programmed robotic behavior that would have to be "frontloaded" with routines (that would fake it as opposed to being real) for all that to be possible.

More info on the cognitive science related goal, which seems to very much parallel mine:
www.blythinstitute.org/site/sections/11

Most of the conference was funded by a "generous grant" from affiliates of the Discovery Institute, so at this point in time I can say that they helped fund my work. Too bad I cannot say the same for the billion dollar money pits that can't or wont or just plain make me feel like unwelcome trash.

I now need to play a winning song that I heard on the radio, one of my most favorites and while rushing around to get a job done I had to miss the last part! I'll let you guess which station it was played on:

Flashdance - Final Dance / What A Feeling (1983)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzALZjoIx0g

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Posted: May 20 2016,17:27

http://journal.frontiersin.org/article........ull

Interesting article from two months ago. How does that match up with your model?

I note that the authors are not in academia, incidentally.

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Posted: May 21 2016,02:33

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http://journal.frontiersin.org/article........ull

Interesting article from two months ago. How does that match up with your model?

I note that the authors are not in academia, incidentally.

The RAM based associative memory of a David Heiserman based model already links events and actions to each other in a sequential what comes after what way. The article seems to be explaining how neurons adapt to form the "addressing" part of the RAM circuit. I sent a link to Camp for their opinion but apparently they're not absolutely certain how it matches up to the Heiserman model either. My experiments indicate that what they are describing in the article is already accounted for in the model I have, more specifically requirement number 2, sensory addressed memory.

The authors are associated with Numenta, which is not "academia" but at least it qualifies as an academic corporation and one of the authors is listed as a "Doctorate". I'm not sure whether the journal would publish the work of someone with none of that at all. In either case the need for me to supply that sort of information is at the very least an embarrassing problem. The best I can do is list a High School diploma from a school I was transferred to that at the time almost lost its state accreditation due to students only being prepared for what are considered to be menial tasks like to pump gas, sand a car by hand, cook a meal, or run a cash register. Things have since changed for the better, but in either case self-learners who were ahead of their peers in science are punished by the higher education diploma mills and those who cater to them. If the work is not published by a major science journal that can be cited then it's OK to not give them any credit at all, especially when it's associated with a Theory of Intelligent Design. In a case like that it's easily justifiable to use the academic system to destroy any credibility they do have and I have good reasons to only want to empower those who do NOT advocate academic snobbery.

If I must supply appropriately cited work as opposed to "hobby" books and at work/home experience then those who must have it can kiss my ass instead. And entities like PBS who are likewise normally treated like they don't exist and are not given credit where due have good reasons for liking how things are turning out in the conference video and paper that very much turns the table on that situation. It's not often (or maybe never) that Dinosaur Train gets credit for excellent work in defining what a hypothesis is. Those who need long definitions that end up expecting the general public to stop using the word "theory" as is normal on US TV shows like the very popular program my wife loves named "Castle" and in real life are likewise part of the problem, but academia has a way of making sure that they don't even know it. More people than you realize have a low opinion of the academic snobbery that results in pompous demands and insults from university spokespeople who think they know what's best for us torch and pitchfork peasants.
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Posted: May 21 2016,03:20

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Those who need long definitions that end up expecting the general public to stop using the word "theory" as is normal on US TV shows like the very popular program my wife loves named "Castle" and in real life are likewise part of the problem, but academia has a way of making sure that they don't even know it.

Stairway to Heaven by Led Zep;

"For you know that sometimes words have two meanings..."

Like your not-a-theory, Gaulin, 'Castle' is a work of fiction.

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