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ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,10:22   

[QUOTE]Although it's just a semantics issue I do wonder whether RNA's fully qualify as being "unimolecular". A molecule made of molecules can also be said to be a multimolecular molecule, a polymer.
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Thank you, and to continue the metaphor used by N.Wells, game, set and match.

It is not a semantics issue, it is an issue about the correct usage of existing scientific terms. You cannot blindly redefine these terms without a reason to do so. Your drivel does not do this. Your abysmal knowledge of physics and chemistry does not allow you to do this, in fact this has been pointed out to you by every poster here since the very beginning of the thread.

I won't deal with the other ignorant posts of yours regarding Ohm's Law etc. as the others have already pointed out the major flaws with this trash.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,10:23   

Sorry clicked wrong button by mistake.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,10:36   

Quote (ChemiCat @ May 12 2016,16:23)
Sorry clicked wrong button by mistake.


  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,12:02   

Quote (Woodbine @ May 12 2016,10:36)
Quote (ChemiCat @ May 12 2016,16:23)
Sorry clicked wrong button by mistake.


Good lord, Gary's been working on his nonsense so long that Freud read an early version of it?  What else could account for such a scowl?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,14:33   

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I think Gaulin's lost in a much older Stone's tune -- 2000 Light Years From Home.
Maybe that's why his transmissions are so garbled?


Maybe because his mother is standing in the shadows somewhere . . . .   :)  With Rubies.  On Tuesday.  :)  

Or maybe it's too many of those danged Flowers . . . .  :O  :)  :)

Jeez his latest attempt at obfuscation and tortured analogy was lame . . . .  but the rest of you already took him to task on that.

ALICE BOWIE RULES, Goo Goo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whatta hoot!!!!!!!!!!!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,15:20   

Here's the hard truth Gary:
If one person tells you you're a falling down drunk, well, that's just one person's opinion.
If two people tell you you're a falling down drunk, huh, must be a coincidence.
If three people tell you you're a falling down drunk, look for the AA number.

You haven't convinced a single person of a single point in your "theory".  Not. One. Person.
Worse, every single person on this thread (other than yourself) has told you your work is nonsense, generally with vast amounts of supporting detail.
Time to take the next step -- admit you have a problem, get over yourself, stop wasting your life.
One person could be wrong, two could be coincidence, unanimity of opinion, though, is about as concrete as it gets.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,16:12   

No answer here. I better ask a biochemistry forum.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,16:25   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 12 2016,17:12)
No answer here. I better ask a biochemistry forum.

Barking mad.

You keep making these snide comments, but you keep posting.
Is your confidence evaluator broken?  Or your guess circuit?
Or are you getting exactly what you deep down truly want?

How can we miss you if you won't go away?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,16:28   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 12 2016,17:12)
No answer here. I better ask a biochemistry forum.

Just by the way -- ChemiCat provided the answer before you even realized there was a question.

You pathetic idiot.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,16:47   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 12 2016,16:12)
No answer here. I better ask a biochemistry forum.

Go on, just ask them.  Remove all doubt.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,17:16   

1 reply so far: "they're still single molecules."

And "the more interesting question is whether DNA is a single molecule or two. It uses those weak hydrogen bonds to stay together."

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,17:19   

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1 reply so far: "they're still single molecules."

And "the more interesting question is whether DNA is a single molecule or two. It uses those weak hydrogen bonds to stay together."

Ask them if a polymer is one molecule or many.
Rofl

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,17:36   

Quote (NoName @ May 12 2016,16:28)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 12 2016,17:12)
No answer here. I better ask a biochemistry forum.

Just by the way -- ChemiCat provided the answer before you even realized there was a question.

You pathetic idiot.

Would you mind quoting his answer? I could not find an answer to this:
Although RNA's can contain many bases they can be considered a single molecule, but then again the bases are somewhat weakly bonded together. So I'm wondering whether RNA's would truly qualify as "unimolecular" or whether the use of that term is debatable.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,17:41   

Assuming of course ChemiPussy identifies with male gender, if not then please excuse my erroneous assumption.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,19:18   

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[From Gary] Although it's just a semantics issue I do wonder whether RNA's fully qualify as being "unimolecular"


 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 12 2016,17:16)
1 reply so far: "they're still single molecules."

And "the more interesting question is whether DNA is a single molecule or two. It uses those weak hydrogen bonds to stay together."

Yes and yes, to the expert replies, not to your abuse of "unimolecular".  

RNA is one molecule (one polymer, one linear macromolecule, made of a bunch of smaller molecules, which are the four ribonucleotide bases).  However, "unimolecular" refers to reactions involving only one molecule, where the rearrangement of one molecule creates a different molecule or molecules, as opposed to bimolecular and termolecular reactions where respectively two or three molecules come together.  Unimolecular reactions include ring opening, thermal decomposition, racemization, cis-trans isomerization, and radioactive decay.   Distinguishing RNA as "unimolecular" "as opposed to a number of molecules working together as a system", you have already shot past the point where an RNA  polymer is essentially a bunch of molecules bound together as a system.  It makes little sense to ask, as you did, whether RNA is or is not unimolecular: when "unimolecular" refers to the reaction, it is context-dependent.

DNA is a more complex matter.  Biologists are generally happy enough to talk about DNA as one molecule composed of two strands bonded together (when it is in paired form).  However, the bonds between the strands are all hydrogen bonds, not covalent bonds, and technically for a chemist (I am given to understand, but this is not my area of expertise) organic molecules imply covalent bonds, so two bonded DNA strands (polymers) in a double helix, thus bonded by hydrogen bonding, technically comprise two molecules bonded together.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,19:48   

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Would you mind quoting his answer?


Gary's usage of "Unimolecular intelligence".  
     
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Unimolecular Intelligence: Clues to the origin of intelligent living things are found in rudimentary molecular systems such as self-replicating RNA, which is known to self-learn. Being a single relatively large molecule (as opposed to a number of molecules working together as a system) more accurately classifies self-replicating RNA (possibly similar molecular systems) as a "Unimolecular Intelligence"


Also:
     
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Since these are single macromolecules that can self-learn they are more precisely examples of Unimolecular Intelligence .....


ChemiCat asked      
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So "unimolecular intelligence" only applies to single molecules as opposed to molecular intelligence which applies to complex assemblies of molecules?

A number of questions;

1. What are the "clues" you refer to and how do we identify them?

2. How do they "self-learn"? Read chemistry books?

3. What is the difference between a "unimolecule" and a molecule?

I still see nothing but bald assertions without any test data or
experimentation to even attempt to explain how the molecules (singular and complex) assemble themselves "intelligently " into "intelligence".

Or do you just mean the laws of Physics and Chemistry are the "intelligence"?


He is pointing out that RNA is a polymeric molecule composed of other molecules, so your saying "as opposed to a number of molecules working together as a system" is you contradicting yourself, because a polymer is essentially a bunch of molecules bound together as a system.  At this point, whatever justification you had for "unimolecular intelligence" (even assuming the "intelligence" part) is lost.

At another point ChemiCat observes pointedly,      
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You do realise that "unimolecular" has a very specific meaning in chemistry, don't you? I suspect it is a word you came across accidentally and thought it would look good if you teamed it, erroneously, with "intelligence".


You do keep finding shiny words and adding them to your jackdaw-nest of a not-a-theory. (Emergence, self-similarity, fractal, learning, hippocampus, etc. ad nauseum.)

He also gives you a hint by asking,      
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Once you have finished with that one, perhaps you can explain "bimolecular" and "termolecular" in the same context.

You don't get to redefine specific scientific terms without supplying the reason and evidence for so doing. It makes you look as though you don't have a clue about science.


You replied, misunderstanding the entire context of the problem and of the dictionary entry that you found:
     
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From http://www.merriam-webster.com/diction....lt;http

     
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Definition of UNIMOLECULAR
:  relating to or involving a single molecule or single molecular
species :  monomolecular <unimolecular reactions>



Check out a chemistry book for chemistry definitions, not a general dictionary. It's clear that using "molecule" around RNA and DNA is fraught with technicalities, but that's a good reason not to rush right in and abuse terminology.

(ChemiCat, have I said anything wrong here?)

Lastly, also to be fair, nobody gave you the exact answer in explicit terms, as opposed to dropping humungous hints, probably because it was far too much fun watching you trying to insult everyone while make a fool of yourself.  Again, thanks for the giggles.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,20:04   

Thus far the consensus is that RNA (and single strand DNA) is definitely "unimolecular", and not debatable.

Even though being precise invites the usual mud-slinging I must leave the theory the way it is right now.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,20:08   

I am though editing to be more precise in regards to bonding and function of its components.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,20:17   

We are re-inventing a wheel here.  From
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/creatio....60.html

From a thread called Theory of Intelligent Design
 
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   REQUIREMENT #3 of 4 - CONFIDENCE TO GAUGE FAILURE AND SUCCESS

   With little known about how self-replicating RNA works we will use the example of unimolecular viruses such as HIV where there is molecular group behavior. Communication between them times the “infection cycle” so that an attack on the immune system is carried out simultaneously by all of them at once. Without this one step at a time control that waits until the right time to advance the cycle, the virus could easily lose the battle to the immune system that is otherwise able to destroy it. This suggests that in viruses and possibly self-replicating RNA confidence level feedback at least in part is from chemical alterations to the environment that all in it have produced. When proper conditions are sensed it is no longer successful in a “do nothing” state (in computer model motors off with confidence=3 highest) then must achieve success in the next step before returning to dormancy (in viruses eventually inside a shell to invade another host cell upon sensing one).


HIV is unimolecular? Really? Pardon me while I sadly shake my head at wrong headedness unworthy of even the most diffident undergraduate. HIV has 9 genes which encode for 16 proteins, it is one of the most complex viruses known. Apparently you also believe it has some sort of cellular telephone in there as well.

Despite your assertion that HIV attacks as some sort of molecular flash mob, that is factually untrue. HIV transmission is well documented to occur by direct contact with seminal fluid or, more rarely, blood. HIV infects CD4+ helper T cells at the site of infection as well as numerous other cells which have both the CD4 protein and other chemokine receptors. The CD4+ T cells are killed either directly by the virus or by the action of lymphocytes and this results in a steadily decreasing T cell count which eventually manifests as AIDS. There is NO concerted attack, in fact, HIV's method of transmission and replication within the body couldn't be further FROM a concerted attack. It is more akin to a steadily creeping fungus than some sort of blitzkrieg.

Honestly, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.


and later,
 
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#870  Postby Fenrir » Aug 15, 2011 3:21 am
Thanks for reposting the same screed again Gary, however you didn't answer my question.

Where is the addressable memory on the RNA backbone? Point to it for me.

I can see that an RNA molecule contains a template for reproducing that molecule but I can't see where it has a memory of previous states.

What is the physical form of this memory?
Where exactly can it be found on the RNA backbone?
How much memory is there on a single RNA molecule?
How many previous trial and error cycles can it remember?
How does it use this memory to "direct" future iterations of itself?
How would I observe an RNA molecule directing future replication events in order to achieve a goal?
How could I differentiate this process from undirected processes as described by our current understanding of natural processes? Where is the error in the current theory, which does not infer "direction" and how would I show that the current understanding is in error?

Simple questions Gary.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,20:19   

And this fantastic news just came in!

http://numenta.com/press....es.html

Open access too:
http://journal.frontiersin.org/article....ull

The ID Lab critter already connects events and actions into what comes after what sequences. This new information should help give it a human level sense of time, which will also be useful to it for on its mind planning out a complex model where one thing has to happen after another in order for what it is planning to work properly.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,20:19   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 12 2016,20:04)
Thus far the consensus is that RNA (and single strand DNA) is definitely "unimolecular", and not debatable.

Even though being precise invites the usual mud-slinging I must leave the theory the way it is right now.

Please provide a link or a quote.  My money holds that they are saying that you can call RNA a molecule, not that it is unimolecular.


Edited to add: OK so at Sandwalk, you asked
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I'm researching for a conference paper that is due by Monday and would love an expert opinion on this quick question:
Although RNA's can contain many bases they can be considered a single molecule, but then again the bases are somewhat weakly bonded together. So I'm wondering whether RNA's would truly qualify as "unimolecular" or whether the use of that term is debatable.


You got an answer there, that one strand of DNA is one molecule.

See discussion at
https://www.researchgate.net/post...._of_DNA

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,20:36   

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We are re-inventing a wheel here.  From
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/creatio....60.html
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HIV is unimolecular? Really?


The section is for self-replicating strands of RNA. It also says the following:
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Unimolecular Intelligence

Clues to the origin of intelligent living things are found in rudimentary molecular systems such as self-replicating RNA. Since these are single macromolecules that can self-learn they are more precisely examples of “Unimolecular Intelligence”, as opposed to “Molecular Intelligence”, which may contain millions of molecules all working together as one.

REQUIREMENT #1 of 4 - SOMETHING TO CONTROL

The motor muscles RNA are molecular actuators, which use the force of molecular attraction to grab and release other molecules. The catalytic ability (chemically reacts with other molecules without itself changing to a new molecular species) of ribonucleotide (A,G,C,U) bases combine to form useful molecular machinery. Where these bases are properly combined into strands they become a mobile molecule that can control/catalyze other molecules in their environment and each other, including using each other as a template to induce each others replication. Unlike RNA that exists inside a protective cell membrane (as our cells have) these RNA's are more directly influenced by the planetary environment, which they would have once have been free to control. Modern examples include viruses that can control the internal environment of their host, and may now have protective shells with sensors on the outside for detecting other suitable host cells to enter and control. In some cases after invading a host cell other sensors detect when conditions are right to simultaneously reproduce, thereby overwhelming the immune system of their hosts, which could otherwise detect then destroy them.

REQUIREMENT #2 of 4 – SENSORY ADDRESSED MEMORY

The ribonucleotide sequences are a memory system that also acts as its body. On it are molecular sites, which can interact with nearby molecules to produce repeatable movements/actions. Its shape can include hairpin bends that are sensitive to the chemical environment, which in turn changes its action responses nearby molecules and to each other. Their combined activity also changes their molecular environment, much the same way as living things have over time changed the atmosphere and chemistry of our planet.

REQUIREMENT #3 of 4 - CONFIDENCE TO GAUGE FAILURE AND SUCCESS

Molecular species that can successfully coexist with others in the population and the environmental changes that they caused are successful responses that remain in the population. Molecular species that fail are soon replaced by another more successful (best guess) response. The overall process must result in collective actions/reactions that efficiently use and recycle the resources available to multiple molecular species or else there is an unsustainable chemical reaction, which ends when the reactants have consumed each other, resulting in an environmental crash.

REQUIREMENT #4 of 4 - ABILITY TO TAKE A GUESS

For a rapidly replicating molecule RNA editing1 type mechanisms can become a significant source of guesses. Also, molecular affinity will favor assimilation of complimentary ribonucleotides but where some are in limited abundance another ribonucleotide may replace what was previously used. The change may work equally well, or better, for their descendants.

I do not have time to answer dumb questions from a mud-slinger in another forum.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,20:38   

And #1 should start with:
The motor muscles of RNA are molecular actuators

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,20:47   

And see:
single strand RNA virus
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative-sense_single_strand_RNA_virus

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,21:20   

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I do not have time to answer dumb questions from a mud-slinger in another forum.

You appear to have an infinite amount of time to blather without knowledge of the basics and to make yourself look even more like an idiot.  In what way is ignoring good criticisms productive?  It's not as though the flaws in your not-a-theory disappear if you ignore then or insult the people bringing them up.

For example, post 8 in that thread is an excellent summary of many of your problems by rumraket:

 
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Gary, your entire post is an incoherent mess that seems to rest entirely on a camouflaged attempt to re-label known laws and mechanics into "intelligent design".

It looks like what you are doing is simply taking the mechanics of physics and chemistry, relabelling it "molecular intelligence" and then arguing that intelligent design exists. Well, doh. :doh:

Take your example of self-replicating RNA, which you describe as a "unimolecular intelligence". We happen to know how these self-replicating RNA's work very well, and we have no need to re-invent a new term for already existing and very well known laws of physics and chemistry.

You are changing what is understood by "intelligence" and simply inserting any natural process capable of producing a build-up of complexity, or which functions by replication with inheritance, into the definition. Under that paradigm, simple crystal-growth would qualify as "intelligent design". It's a ludicrous way of trying to smuggle "intelligent design" into science.


It's pointed out shortly thereafter that your pile of stuff is not a theory:
 
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It's not a theory. A hypothesis becomes a theory when scientists (not one or two) in that field accept it as having enough evidence to be superior to all other hypothesises regarding the same phenomenon. In biology you have the Theory of Evolution which describes how life changes. In biology you also have many hypothesises regarding abiogenesis (how life started) but no theory of abiogenesis as none has enough evidence to show that it is the best explanation.


Nearly all the other standard criticisms appear in short order: that you are clueless about natural selection and evolutionary biology and the Cambrian explosion, that you don't have an adequate definition of intelligence, that you don't have predictions and falsifiability, that you aren't following scientific procedures, that your stuff is incoherent and circular, that you abuse standard terminology without justification, etc., etc. There's very little new under the sun here, but you just keep bulling ahead in blissful ignorance.  It's an interesting mixture of tragic, hilarious, peculiar, and doomed.

 You went on for over 130 pages there without correcting your errors, just doubling down and trying to distract and evade, apparently after doing something similar somewhere else, and since then repeating the performance here and other places.  What good does that do you?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2016,22:47   

Four posts ago I provided links to a new cognitive theory for how the brain stores sequential events that is antiquating all the "deep learning" systems that are all the rage in academia right now, while the simple model I have been experimenting with for decades already links its data sequentially.

I might have had to endure years of insults for not following the crowd, but at least I'm getting the last laugh!

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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2016,02:11   

And here's a link for you, Gaulin baby;

Molecular activators


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(ChemiCat, have I said anything wrong here?)


No, that's just fine. I was trying to get Gaulin to do some research other than looking for buzzwords that 'fit' into his not-a-theory. I see  the latest is 'sequence'.

The whole problem with your not-a-theory, Gaulin baby, is that you have made the same mistake as all creationists and started with your conclusion. Until you begin providing scientific testable evidence for your BS, start providing operational definitions and start learning (in the correct usage of the word- not yours) some basic science you are going to be the last laugh of all of us.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2016,04:08   

I got side-tracked before completing a previous post.

From the discussion at
https://www.researchgate.net/post......._of_DNA
Note in particular:

From Richard J Edwards · University of New South Wales
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Technically, dsDNA would be two molecules. During replication, there could be thousands, until DNA ligase has done it's job. I guess anything from a dinucleotide upwards would count as a DNA molecule, as DNA is a polymer.


From Max Robinson · Institute for Systems Biology
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I agree with Jon ahd Richard (and Wikipedia), a molecule is defined by covalent bonds; a(n undamaged) double-stranded DNA chromosome is really a complex of two single-stranded molecules held together by a variety of non-covalent bonds and forces, and decorated with a plethora of proteins that form chromatin. As Richard points out, one chromosome undergoing replication typically contains many DNA molecules, with the leading strands replicated in longer molecules and the lagging strand replicated in shorter molecules that are eventually ligated together.


From Charles A Miller · Tulane University
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I consider each single DNA strand to be a molecule. Including hydrogen bonds and other non-covalent interactions in a "definition of a molecule" would not only give you double stranded DNA, but would include all the proteins that constitute chromatin. The single strand of DNA is also the functional unit as DNA is replicated or transcribed by polymerases that "read" a single strand. Consider a water molecule. The water molecule is hydrogen bonded to other water molecules, but we don't consider the volume of water and all the molecules it contains to be the molecule.


From Gurbachan Miglani · Punjab Agricultural University
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Single-stranded DNA, since it is covalently bound, is one molecule. Double-stranded DNA has two molecules connected through hydrogen bonds and hydrophobic interactions.


From Giovanni Cercignani · Università di Pisa
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My opinion is that you must first state if you are speaking of DNA as a chemical compound or as a biological object, because the two are conceptually different. As pointed out by many commenters, a chromosome (or a chromatid) may happen to get some accident during its "life" (i.e. between two replication events). So, the functional (biological) point of view may help to get a provisional answer, that is conceptually operative. Irrespective of its actual dymanic/metabolic state, a DNA double/single stranded molecule (depending on the genome structure) contains a set of instructions (= coded information) which can operate, by the assistance of external tools such as proteins and other biomolecules, to transmit/express the information. The point with DNA a a single functional entity is that all those instructions typically function as "cis-acting elements", as genetists call them; instructions are meaningful for sequences on the very same DNA molecule (some of them are meaningful only for the double-stranded entity - that's why I think a rigorous chemist's approach will fail to help). If you skip a few complex mechanisms that escape from the above statement of cis-acting elements, this can give you a definition of "single DNA molecule" in a living cell. You know, there are no universal rules in biology, you can always find exceptions.


So the consensus seems to be that one strand of DNA is one molecule and that two strands joined in a double helix are two joined molecules, but to get to that condition a great many molecules have been involved, many being assembled into one macromolecule and many others assisting along the way.  

This contradicts your usage of unimolecular "as opposed to a number of molecules working together as a system".

Thus (my conclusion, with me not being a chemist) calling the end result unimolecular seems misleading at best.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2016,06:39   

From "I should ask an expert" to preaching to experts on the basis of faux expertise, all parasitized, in 7 posts.
I think that's a record, even for Gary.
Hey Gary, look -- over there -- something shiny!

roflmao

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2016,17:40   

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And here's a link for you, Gaulin baby;

Molecular activators


 
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(ChemiCat, have I said anything wrong here?)


No, that's just fine. I was trying to get Gaulin to do some research other than looking for buzzwords that 'fit' into his not-a-theory. I see  the latest is 'sequence'.

I already visited the "Artificial muscles, molecular actuator design, microscopic theory of nanotube and conjugated polymer actuation" webpage several times, while researching molecular actuators. There are other good ones on the web too.

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