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Nerull



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,17:19   

I didn't see anyone else post this, but as an astronomer, this is the most hilarious thing he's said so far (and thats doing pretty good - the 'tard is strong with this one.)

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""We already know that E=mc2 is wrong because it contradicts Newton's law of gravity. E=mc2 says nothing is faster than the speed of light....yet as we know, this is not correct. Gravity is instantaneous, thus faster than the speed of light. If the earth were to move, for example, the moon would somehow "know" it and move right along with it. Same with the sun...if the sun were to move, the planets would follow the sun around, all without ropes.

Scientists have long known that Einstein's theory contradicted Newton's law of gravity, but it's just one of those things they try to keep hush about and sweep under the carpet like it doesn't exist.

So if E=mc2 is wrong, which it is, then we can pretty much be assured that astronomers and cosmologists are not to be trusted because they simply do not know what they're talking about."


We knew Newtonian gravity was wrong long before Einstein. Care to explain the precession of mercury?

Oh, and E=mc2 gives the energy output when mass is converted to energy. It doesn't say anything about traveling faster than light. Thats relativity. Using the right terms is a good way not to look like a complete fool. (But you've still got a long way to go there.)

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jeannot



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,17:24   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,16:37)
prove it...I need to see where it was lamarckism was proven wrong.

Actually, it didn't need to be proven wrong, because it never was a scientific theory. Lamark produced blind assertions and never submitted them to experiments.
So it's up to you. Show us those acquired traits being inherited? Bronzed skin? Scars? Fractures? Hair cut? Will your children be more muscular if you practice body-building?

  
supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,17:39   

Quote (jeannot @ Sep. 18 2007,17:24)
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,16:37)
prove it...I need to see where it was lamarckism was proven wrong.

Actually, it didn't need to be proven wrong, because it never was a scientific theory. Lamark produced blind assertions and never submitted them to experiments.
So it's up to you. Show us those acquired traits being inherited? Bronzed skin? Scars? Fractures? Hair cut? Will your children be more muscular if you practice body-building?

Well who said this?

"You seem to support Lamarkism. Too bad it's been proven wrong long ago"

Why is it up to ME to prove or disprove Lamarckism -- don't you think 100 years of science should have accomplished something like this by now?  The purposeful generation/heritability of traits is EASY to test.  Don't blame me for science being full of a bunch of chickens.

  
supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,17:43   

Quote (Nerull @ Sep. 18 2007,17:19)
I didn't see anyone else post this, but as an astronomer, this is the most hilarious thing he's said so far (and thats doing pretty good - the 'tard is strong with this one.)

 
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""We already know that E=mc2 is wrong because it contradicts Newton's law of gravity. E=mc2 says nothing is faster than the speed of light....yet as we know, this is not correct. Gravity is instantaneous, thus faster than the speed of light. If the earth were to move, for example, the moon would somehow "know" it and move right along with it. Same with the sun...if the sun were to move, the planets would follow the sun around, all without ropes.

Scientists have long known that Einstein's theory contradicted Newton's law of gravity, but it's just one of those things they try to keep hush about and sweep under the carpet like it doesn't exist.

So if E=mc2 is wrong, which it is, then we can pretty much be assured that astronomers and cosmologists are not to be trusted because they simply do not know what they're talking about."


We knew Newtonian gravity was wrong long before Einstein. Care to explain the precession of mercury?

Oh, and E=mc2 gives the energy output when mass is converted to energy. It doesn't say anything about traveling faster than light. Thats relativity. Using the right terms is a good way not to look like a complete fool. (But you've still got a long way to go there.)

http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/speed_of_gravity.asp

"The most amazing thing I was taught as a graduate student of celestial mechanics at Yale in the 1960s was that all gravitational interactions between bodies in all dynamical systems had to be taken as instantaneous. This seemed unacceptable on two counts. In the first place, it seemed to be a form of “action at a distance”. Perhaps no one has so elegantly expressed the objection to such a concept better than Sir Isaac Newton: “That one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum, without the mediation of any thing else, by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one to the other, is to me so great an absurdity, that I believe no man who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking, can ever fall into it.” (See Hoffman, 1983.) But mediation requires propagation, and finite bodies should be incapable of propagation at infinite speeds since that would require infinite energy. So instantaneous gravity seemed to have an element of magic to it.


Indeed, it is widely accepted, even if less widely known, that the speed of gravity in Newton’s Universal Law is unconditionally infinite."

  
supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,17:47   

Nerull: "Oh, and E=mc2 gives the energy output when mass is converted to energy. It doesn't say anything about traveling faster than light"

Taken from "Faster than the Speed of Light" by Joao Magueijo

"Einstein was well aware that the Newtonian theory of gravity was at odds with his thoery of special relativity at the very fundamental level.  It contradicted the idea that nothing could travel faster than the speed of light." pg. 46

  
supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,17:50   

Light has no speed limit anyway...surely you guys knew that by now!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth....116.xml

"A pair of German physicists claim to have broken the speed of light - an achievement that would undermine our entire understanding of space and time."

  
Nerull



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,17:59   

Yes, newtonian gravity doesn't work with relativity - thats because newtonian gravity is *wrong*.

We've known that for a long time.

Newtonian gravity cannot explain the precession of mercury, among many other things. Can you? The answer requires relativity.

Newtonian gravity is only used for cases where it approximates the answer from relativity, because its easier to work with, but to accurately predict real observations you must use relativity.

You can cry "Newtonian gravity has instantaneous gravity!!!!!" all you like. It does. The problem is it doesn't work!.

Newtonian gravity cannot accurately describe the universe we see. It was a good approximation from what we knew at the time of newton, but its just that, an approximation. One that breaks if you take it too far.

The fact that you continue to cling to it just shows how ignorant of everything you are. Newton would slap you around, were he here. He was the first to model gravity, with limited knowledge. Its not perfect, Newton didn't expect it to be perfect, and only someone who is willfully ignorant of all physics advances would think it was.

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Nerull



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,18:02   

Oh, and that experiment is quantum tunneling. It does not violate relativity, the guy doing the experiment doesn't claim it does. That comes from overzealous reporters. Strike two.

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qetzal



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,18:04   

By coincidence, the gravity travels faster than light thing was re-debunked last week by Mark Chu-Carroll on Good Math, Bad Math (hosted by the highly recommended ScienceBlogs).

  
supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,18:09   

Quote (Nerull @ Sep. 18 2007,18:02)
Oh, and that experiment is quantum tunneling. It does not violate relativity, the guy doing the experiment doesn't claim it does. That comes from overzealous reporters. Strike two.

who cares how it happened?...and the speed of light has slowed down in the past centuries so obviously it is variable.

  
supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,18:10   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,17:47)
Nerull: "Oh, and E=mc2 gives the energy output when mass is converted to energy. It doesn't say anything about traveling faster than light"

Taken from "Faster than the Speed of Light" by Joao Magueijo

"Einstein was well aware that the Newtonian theory of gravity was at odds with his thoery of special relativity at the very fundamental level.  It contradicted the idea that nothing could travel faster than the speed of light." pg. 46

any explanation as to why you would get this basic information so wrong?

  
supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,18:12   

http://www.relativitycollapse.com/emc2.html

E=mc2 is wrong.

  
Nerull



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,18:23   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,18:10)
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,17:47)
Nerull: "Oh, and E=mc2 gives the energy output when mass is converted to energy. It doesn't say anything about traveling faster than light"

Taken from "Faster than the Speed of Light" by Joao Magueijo

"Einstein was well aware that the Newtonian theory of gravity was at odds with his thoery of special relativity at the very fundamental level.  It contradicted the idea that nothing could travel faster than the speed of light." pg. 46

any explanation as to why you would get this basic information so wrong?

Would you like me to explain exactly what E=mc^2 means? Its pretty obvious you've got no idea.

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Nerull



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,18:26   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,18:09)
Quote (Nerull @ Sep. 18 2007,18:02)
Oh, and that experiment is quantum tunneling. It does not violate relativity, the guy doing the experiment doesn't claim it does. That comes from overzealous reporters. Strike two.

who cares how it happened?...and the speed of light has slowed down in the past centuries so obviously it is variable.

Got any evidence for that, any at all?

Didn't think so.

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To rebut creationism you pretty much have to be a biologist, chemist, geologist, philosopher, lawyer and historian all rolled into one. While to advocate creationism, you just have to be an idiot. -- tommorris

   
Nerull



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,18:30   

I'll state this again, nice and slow.

Newtonian...gravity....does...not...work.

Yes, it does require instantaneous gravity. It also doesn't actually *work*. Its broken. It is completely useless except as a simplified version of relativity that works in some situations.

How can anyone be this thick? Newtonian gravity does not disprove relativity, because relativity is a further refinement of it. Reality disproves newtonian gravity. Only relativity correctly describes what we see in the real world.

Get out of your basement, do some actual research. Try learning something for a change. There's a whole world out there. I know it'll be hard for you to leave the comfort of the world you've created in your own mind, but seriously, get out and get help.

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To rebut creationism you pretty much have to be a biologist, chemist, geologist, philosopher, lawyer and historian all rolled into one. While to advocate creationism, you just have to be an idiot. -- tommorris

   
Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,18:31   

Well, the boy sure can google and quote articles from the net. Too bad he can't read them and understand them.  But it is entertaining, if you like to watch verbal diarrhea.

I am sure it will be even more entertaining if he ever gets around to giving us those peer-reviewed articles about how mental processes can generate life instantly. I tried to find them in Web of Science, but no luck. Maybe tomorrow he provide some citations.

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To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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IanBrown_101



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,18:35   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,23:39)
Quote (jeannot @ Sep. 18 2007,17:24)
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,16:37)
prove it...I need to see where it was lamarckism was proven wrong.

Actually, it didn't need to be proven wrong, because it never was a scientific theory. Lamark produced blind assertions and never submitted them to experiments.
So it's up to you. Show us those acquired traits being inherited? Bronzed skin? Scars? Fractures? Hair cut? Will your children be more muscular if you practice body-building?

Well who said this?

"You seem to support Lamarkism. Too bad it's been proven wrong long ago"

Why is it up to ME to prove or disprove Lamarckism -- don't you think 100 years of science should have accomplished something like this by now?  The purposeful generation/heritability of traits is EASY to test.  Don't blame me for science being full of a bunch of chickens.

I don't know if anyone has bothered to respond to this, but Weismann cut the tails off several generations of mice in order to test inheritable acquired traits. It didn't work.

Link.

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I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest.

You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK

Roddenberry is my God.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,18:37   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,19:12)
http://www.relativitycollapse.com/emc2.html

E=mc2 is wrong.

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Michael Strauss is an engineer  and author of Requiem for Relativity the Collapse of Special Relativity. To contact the author visit: www.relativitycollapse.com or www.relativitycollapse.net
 

An engineer. I'm shocked. Shocked I say.

   
IanBrown_101



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,18:37   

Quote (Nerull @ Sep. 19 2007,00:23)
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,18:10)
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,17:47)
Nerull: "Oh, and E=mc2 gives the energy output when mass is converted to energy. It doesn't say anything about traveling faster than light"

Taken from "Faster than the Speed of Light" by Joao Magueijo

"Einstein was well aware that the Newtonian theory of gravity was at odds with his thoery of special relativity at the very fundamental level.  It contradicted the idea that nothing could travel faster than the speed of light." pg. 46

any explanation as to why you would get this basic information so wrong?

Would you like me to explain exactly what E=mc^2 means? Its pretty obvious you've got no idea.

Energy = Mass X constant (speed of light) squared.

I'm not sure what it actually means, but that's what the equation is.

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I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest.

You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK

Roddenberry is my God.

   
Nerull



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,18:52   

It describes the energy you get when you convert mass to energy. (Or energy to mass, if you can find a way to do that).

It has nothing to do with the speed things can travel. Its completely unrelated. If he actually knew what it ment, he wouldn't bring it up, because its silly. Its about as relevant to something going faster than light than the fact that I had a hamburger last week.

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IanBrown_101



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,19:00   

Quote (Nerull @ Sep. 19 2007,00:52)
It describes the energy you get when you convert mass to energy. (Or energy to mass, if you can find a way to do that).

It has nothing to do with the speed things can travel. Its completely unrelated. If he actually knew what it ment, he wouldn't bring it up, because its silly. Its about as relevant to something going faster than light than the fact that I had a hamburger last week.

To be fair to supes, it IS presented in much science fiction as being something to do with speed, specifically the speed of light, or the possibility of time travel (probably involving the speed of light).

Not that that means he can accurately discuss what is a really hard concept (I know I can't, beyond being able to state what the letters stand for), but I think you can forgive him for being confused. Although his arrogant presumption I can't and won't defend.

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I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest.

You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK

Roddenberry is my God.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,19:19   

Quote (Nerull @ Sep. 18 2007,18:26)
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,18:09)
Quote (Nerull @ Sep. 18 2007,18:02)
Oh, and that experiment is quantum tunneling. It does not violate relativity, the guy doing the experiment doesn't claim it does. That comes from overzealous reporters. Strike two.

who cares how it happened?...and the speed of light has slowed down in the past centuries so obviously it is variable.

Got any evidence for that, any at all?

Didn't think so.

sure do.  It's called measurements.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,19:20   

Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Sep. 18 2007,18:35)
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,23:39)
 
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Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,16:37)
prove it...I need to see where it was lamarckism was proven wrong.

Actually, it didn't need to be proven wrong, because it never was a scientific theory. Lamark produced blind assertions and never submitted them to experiments.
So it's up to you. Show us those acquired traits being inherited? Bronzed skin? Scars? Fractures? Hair cut? Will your children be more muscular if you practice body-building?

Well who said this?

"You seem to support Lamarkism. Too bad it's been proven wrong long ago"

Why is it up to ME to prove or disprove Lamarckism -- don't you think 100 years of science should have accomplished something like this by now?  The purposeful generation/heritability of traits is EASY to test.  Don't blame me for science being full of a bunch of chickens.

I don't know if anyone has bothered to respond to this, but Weismann cut the tails off several generations of mice in order to test inheritable acquired traits. It didn't work.

Link.

sorry that's an assualt to the organism, not an internal response to a changing environment.  Big difference.  Show me a trait generated by the animal itself and show me how science has proven it can't be inherited.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,19:21   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 19 2007,01:19)
Quote (Nerull @ Sep. 18 2007,18:26)
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,18:09)
 
Quote (Nerull @ Sep. 18 2007,18:02)
Oh, and that experiment is quantum tunneling. It does not violate relativity, the guy doing the experiment doesn't claim it does. That comes from overzealous reporters. Strike two.

who cares how it happened?...and the speed of light has slowed down in the past centuries so obviously it is variable.

Got any evidence for that, any at all?

Didn't think so.

sure do.  It's called measurements.

Never mind Supes.

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I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest.

You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK

Roddenberry is my God.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,19:22   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 19 2007,01:20)
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prove it...I need to see where it was lamarckism was proven wrong.

Actually, it didn't need to be proven wrong, because it never was a scientific theory. Lamark produced blind assertions and never submitted them to experiments.
So it's up to you. Show us those acquired traits being inherited? Bronzed skin? Scars? Fractures? Hair cut? Will your children be more muscular if you practice body-building?

Well who said this?

"You seem to support Lamarkism. Too bad it's been proven wrong long ago"

Why is it up to ME to prove or disprove Lamarckism -- don't you think 100 years of science should have accomplished something like this by now?  The purposeful generation/heritability of traits is EASY to test.  Don't blame me for science being full of a bunch of chickens.

I don't know if anyone has bothered to respond to this, but Weismann cut the tails off several generations of mice in order to test inheritable acquired traits. It didn't work.

Link.

sorry that's an assualt to the organism, not an internal response to a changing environment.  Big difference.  Show me a trait generated by the animal itself and show me how science has proven it can't be inherited.

I'm sorry, but in what way can an animal generate a trait (for example, a longer or shorter tail) without a gene mutation?

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I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest.

You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK

Roddenberry is my God.

   
supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,19:23   

to nerull....the speed of light has been measured over the course of recent history and it is indeed slowing down:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39733

Early in 1979, an Australian undergraduate student named Barry Setterfield, thought it would be interesting to chart all of the measurements of the speed of light since a Dutch astronomer named Olaf Roemer first measured light speed in the late 17th century. Setterfield acquired data on over 163 measurements using 16 different methods over 300 years.

The early measurements typically tracked the eclipses of the moons of Jupiter when the planet was near the Earth and compared it with observations when then planet was farther away. These observations were standard, simple and repeatable, and have been measured by astronomers since the invention of the telescope. These are demonstrated to astronomy students even today. The early astronomers kept meticulous notes and sketches, many of which are still available.

Setterfield expected to see the recorded speeds grouped around the accepted value for light speed, roughly 299,792 kilometers /second. In simple terms, half of the historic measurements should have been higher and half should be lower.

What he found defied belief: The derived light speeds from the early measurements were significantly faster than today. Even more intriguing, the older the observation, the faster the speed of light. A sampling of these values is listed below:



In 1738: 303,320 +/- 310 km/second
In 1861: 300,050 +/- 60 km/second
In 1877: 299,921 +/- 13 km/second
In 2004: 299,792 km/second (accepted constant)

Setterfield teamed with statistician Dr. Trevor Norman and demonstrated that, even allowing for the clumsiness of early experiments, and correcting for the multiple lenses of early telescopes and other factors related to technology, the speed of light was discernibly higher 100 years ago, and as much as 7 percent higher in the 1700s. Dr. Norman confirmed that the measurements were statistically significant with a confidence of more than 99 percent.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,19:24   

Oh good lord, Worldnetdaily?

I've had enough of feeding the troll. I'm off.

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I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest.

You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK

Roddenberry is my God.

   
skeptic



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,19:30   

I'll also point out, not necessarily in SS's defense, that if you're looking for an accurate prediction of reality then relativity is broken too.  It is, as was pointed out, a further refinement but ultimately just an approximation also.  Future scientists will probably look back and argue over how we could have clung to this rough approximation for so long.  That's what I love about science.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,20:04   

Ah, Superspammer finds yet another place to regurgipost.

So, Sport - have you figgered out where RNA transcripts come from?

Know what "information" is?

Read my post explaining how Pellionisz isn't really telling you the whole truth about junkDNA?

Nah - you don't read stuff....

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,20:07   

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just for fun, why don't you name me a disease that's been cured in the last 30 years with medicine.  Please keep in mind the trillions of dollars going into the pockets of Big Medicine.....

Wait, you mean like smallpox?

Is this supposed to be a trick question.

[Smallpox was wiped out in 1977 incidentally]

I think that "thirty years" is in there specifically to exclude smallpox and polio.

Well actually, the past 30 years have seen the biggest rise in degnerative diseases -- heart disease, cancer, MS, diabetes, alzheimer's, etc etc......none of which have cures and all of which are killing more and more and more people despite the trillions of dollars being pumped towards Big Medicine.

I acknowledge that some diseases have been controlled or even cured, but nothing new lately...at least nothing that's doing all the killing.

Right, well, maybe your pal Bruce Lipton can cure all these diseases with his mind....

  
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