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| Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 21 2012,12:11) | I always thought scientists are the girls and guys who do research in the lab or in the field or do really difficult stuff with computers. However, says KF: | Quote | | Pardon, but could you address the pivotal question for us scientist types ... |
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How about some examples of gordo the scientist type:
"Indeed, it was theistically inspired belief that our minds and senses were made by a benevolent God to function in a world that reflects the orderly mind of that Creator that gave men confidence to embark on use of the inductive method to identify empirically what were the patterns put into the world by the Creator."
"In particular, it is indeed he consensus of scholarship that the Bible text is pretty reliable as to the originals."
"the key authenticating argumentr for that faith is the resurrection of Jesus with 500+ witnesses, some 20+ of which we have identities for. And the Spirit poured out gives life ot the promises int eh Scriptures so that there are millions of witnesses to meeting God in the face of Jesus."
"There ARE angels who are glad to accept worship: fallen angels, i.e devils or demons.
Historic, authentic, NT-based Christianity is clear on the matter: as the angel of Rev 22 says — WORSHIP GOD!"
"And, remember just what you are mucking around with when you start to play footsie with pagan gods.
[And on this subject the real authority is Jesus of Nazareth; the risen Christ. he took demons very seriously and he has the resurrection from the dead with 500+ witnesses to prove that he know what he was talking about. Acts 19:8-20]
PPS: My recommendation is that you go find yourself a solid pastor who knows what he is dealing with, if you have been playing footsie with pagan gods. No joke!"
"On Judaeo-Christian monotheism [theism for short], the morally virtuous Creator-God is the IS who grounds OUGHT in his character."
"the Bible is in major respects — both OT and NT — historical record, and abundantly confirmed as good record too."
"On the strength of that historical record and resulting supernatural power that is present and active all around us on the terms of the promises of the Scriptures, we know or should know that Jesus of Nazareth is Lord of life, Lord of Death, Light of the World, reason Himself, the Way, the Truth and the Life."
"For, God is gracious and has given us many points of evidence whereby we may see just how credible and authentic — thus trustworthy and authoritative (even as as a top class dictionary is trustworthy and authoritative) — is the witness of the Scriptures, NT and OT."
"As we turn to the OT, it is worth noting again that we have some rather direct authentication in hand, from the Lord of truth Himself.
23 –> And, on the single most contested teaching in our era of secular humanist evolutionary materialism, Creation, it is worth pausing to hear God out of the storm in Job 38:
38:1 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind:2
38:2 “Who is this3 who darkens counsel4 with words without knowledge?
38:3 Get ready for a difficult task5 like a man; I will question you and you will inform me!
38:4 “Where were you when I laid the foundation6 of the earth?
Tell me,7 if you possess understanding!
38:5 Who set its measurements – if8 you know – or who stretched a measuring line across it?
38:6 On what9 were its bases10 set, or who laid its cornerstone – 38:7 when the morning stars11 sang12 in chorus,13 and all the sons of God14 shouted for joy? . . .
24 –> So, we should not be unduly overawed by Nat Geog sagas on TV, or by Dawkinsian village atheist rhetoric railing against God our Creator, or bones in museums or the many misleading icons of macro-evolution, or by “dating” technologies [you should see how isochrons -- the star technique -- can give misleading results!] or by various cosmological speculations.
25 –> For, these are at best stories made up by men to model the unobserved, unobservable past as they imagine it might have been, not indisputable truth based on direct observation, knowledge and record of the deep past of origins.
26 –> And remember the embarrassed silence when the implications of the observations we can make were brought out: in the cell and in the heavens and even the models such as the Big Bang, that the cosmos and life are the product of intelligence.
27 –> But also, yesterday, I put up a useful summary slide show, by Hugenberger; which shows case after case where skeptical dismissals of the OT record run up against subtle clues and subsequent discoveries."
"32 –> It is against this backdrop of (a) enslavement and (b) attempted genocide, that when Moshe is born, he is hid in the house until he has to be put in the famous basket in the river set up just where the princess is likely to come for ablutions, with big sister Miriam watching from a strategic spot.
33 –> The princess, who plainly knows just what is going on, adopts the boy [Take that, daddy-o! You got a Hebrew grandson now! Pow!], and makes the birth mother into his wet nurse and nanny. (In short, right in the king’s household, there is opposition to the genocide. And genocide is inherently plausible as absolute kings tend to be very corrupt. indeed, event he wonderful monuments and art, from a different perspective, reflect long term exploitation of the peasantry.)
34 –> The rest is history: Moses rises to be a prince of Egypt, mighty in word and deed, but then becomes a murderer and felon in exile on the backside of the desert, for 40 years; when he kills an Egyptian beating up on an Israelite. (It is when the king and those who sought him die, that he returns and becomes the famous liberator; tempered by in effect a life sentence of exile.)
35 –> I have already noted and linked on how the hard hearted response of the King of Egypt sets up a power confrontation between YHWH the liberating Creator-God and the demon-backed magicians and mythological gods of Egypt, listing specific gods [and demons] bested by each plague in turn, culminating in the living god, the Pharaoh.
36 –> In that cultural context, the visible contest was the reflection of a war of the territorial gods — note how in the prophets Satan himself is prince of Tyre, Michael the fighting archangel is prince of Israel, and there are princes of Persia and Greece! [Let us hope the prince of Barbados is one of the good guys!] — and YHWH plainly bests the pantheon of Egypt without breaking a sweat.
37 –> Against that backdrop, genesis is a cosmology that sets the real record straight on origins, and in so doing just happens to lay out a unique ground of existence in the Morally upright Creator God who provides an IS that is an adequate foundation for OUGHT.
38 –> In fact, the ONLY philosophically adequate foundation for ought. “What a coincidence!” [NOT.]
So, we have now laid out a framework for the authenticity of the Scriptures, anchored in the resurrection of Jesus, but with ample corroboration and a system for understanding why we can trust the record.
That is important in an ate where just as peter predicted in 65 AD or so, mockers would come, dismissing the testimony of the said scriptures.
But, only to their own self-deception and the misleading of those unwise enough to take them seriously.
“A word to the wise . . . ”"
"And, Jesus’ resurrection did in fact place him in the land of the living to the point where he was hugged by women, he walked miles with men on the road to Emmaus, ate a fish supper with his disciples, and even later made breakfast for them on the shores of the sea of Galilee. Jesus’ resurrection body is transformed, but it is fully capable of operating in this world!
he is no mummified green-coloured pagan god of the underworld."
"We are the children of the ONLY Living God and Father!"
"Our loving Heavenly Father listens to us."
"Jesus was buried in a specific tomb prepared by Joseph of Arimathea for his own burial, and just north of the city gates of Jerusalem.
–. on the followinfg sunday mornintg, women went, not to search, but to anoint the body with spices.
–> but as they arrived the tomb was already opened, and the one formerly within had long since risen!"
"Satan has no power to win against God, and was decisively beaten at Calvary: “IT IS FINISHED!”"
All science so far!
ID isn't creationism or religious in any way!
gordo is interested only in the 'science' of evolution and origins, not religious creationist fairytales. He's a scientist type!
Most of that stuff above is from this thread, where gordo posts with the username "Dictionary". Read that thread if you want to see some of gordo's religious zealotry. There are some other threads there with gordo's lies, preaching, and sanctimonious insanity in them.
Don't forget that gordo has said that "any command" by "God" is a "good command", and he says that the bible, both OT and NT, are "abundantly confirmed as good record". In the bible the "God" that gordo chooses to worship and promote commanded or carried out massive murders (genocide), destruction, plagues, sacrifices, suffering, etc., etc., etc. Yep, that's the "God" that gordo says his morals are grounded in. No wonder gordo has no morals.
gordo also supports wl craig's lame justifications for genocide.
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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27
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